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Originally Posted by aadc
I think we are deep enough to peel on the flop, with the possibility of getting away on bad turns. The small flop raise should be draws or 2-pair+. If we 3-bet jam (after raising UTG and leading into five opponents) how often are we really getting called with worse made hands?
In this case I think the turn card and his huge jam actually weaken his range: he's not playing quads or A-10 this fast, A-2 is now counterfeited, and neither a flush or straight comes in.
Well you were there witnessing this guy in all his glory so you tell me: Does he have A3-A9, AJ, AQ in his rang and does he call a shove? As described I think absolutely yes, he does.
Does he have XdYd in his range and does he call a shove? As described absolutely yes.
I think there's something inconsistent with saying "this guy's a maniac" and ranging him solely on two pair and draws here.
I'm not sure any of our hands that would be happy to GII OTF want to play flop as a b/c instead of a b/jam. We lose out on too much value and allow his draws to set the price to get there. Maybe only AA and AT want to b/c because of their blockers, but even then b/j with those hands seems like the way to go.
Peeling to possibly get away OTT is so defeatist when you flop TPTK on a wettish board vs a described maniac who's gonna go to spew city often. What are you afraid of?
And AP definitely call turn, that should be a pretty dry card for his range although I do believe he has more Tx in his range than yours, so although it's dry it's better for his range than for yours. You're still ahead here very often.
And finally, I'm not even sure cbetting 6-handed is correct here. We probably need a cbetting range, but then again with this many people we may be better off in terms of how we play our overall range just checking 100%. In game I'm sure most of the time I'd personally just instinctfully grab chips and fire at the pot with this hand.
Last edited by EggsMcBluffin; 02-19-2019 at 03:27 PM.