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Reinkemeier fold VS. Scott Seiver Reinkemeier fold VS. Scott Seiver

03-02-2017 , 06:22 PM
Hi
Just saw again Scott Seiver sick bluff against Tobias Reinkemeier from the $ 1,000,000 Big One for One Drop Event.
Can you help me to build Reinkemeier range and to understand why does he folded his pocket aces?

Link to the Hand video: https://www.facebook.com/PokerFaceCo...8029323582764/
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03-02-2017 , 07:55 PM
Folding after taking this line with this hand vs that villain who makes that shove is awful. End thread/
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03-03-2017 , 08:11 PM
Scott Seiver made one of those "hail marry" "f..k it" plays and it was that rare occurence when it worked. Because 49 out 50 times he gets (and he should with those stacks) snapped. Reinkemeier overthought that spot really.
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03-03-2017 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Mad1Lee
Scott Seiver made one of those "hail marry" "f..k it" plays and it was that rare occurence when it worked. Because 49 out 50 times he gets (and he should with those stacks) snapped. Reinkemeier overthought that spot really.
Seiver's play was a standard semibluff. It probably works a lot. He had no idea Reinkemeier had a strong hand. The fold was insane though.
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03-04-2017 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by betgo
Seiver's play was a standard semibluff.
It was a suicide really. He wasn't blocking anything good besides KQ. With those stack sizes and icm it's not a good hand for this bluff.
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03-05-2017 , 02:39 AM
But the ICM pressure is symmetrical, no?
I think that ICM pressure is the main reason to this bluff success.
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03-05-2017 , 10:38 AM
That AA folded shows it was a good semibluff. He never would expect AA or top pair or anything like that to fold. However, BB's calling range was obviously tight if he would consider folding AA.

The fold is horrendous. The push looks like a pair or flush draw or something, all of which AA is a big favorite over.
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03-05-2017 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mad1Lee
It was a suicide really. He wasn't blocking anything good besides KQ.
so you rather bluff jam turn with a pair? He blocks the best 1p
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03-05-2017 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Big_Mick00
so you rather bluff jam turn with a pair? He blocks the best 1p
I think it's kinda obvious that bluffing hands here would include high spades.
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03-06-2017 , 12:01 PM
Pretty crazy to fold after massively underrepping your hand.
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03-06-2017 , 12:55 PM
Pretty sure Doug Polk, Alec Torelli and the Poker Guys have all had a crack at this one. Think they all came to the same conclusion too.
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03-06-2017 , 10:42 PM
Seiver has a range advantage, because Reinkemeier didn't c/r the flop. He likely c/shoves flush draws, so he is unlikely to have a flush. R is polarized between trapping with AA/22/44, maybe 2-pair if he defends with junk and something pretty weak. He may shove small pps and AA preflop, so there isn't much he could be trapping with.
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03-07-2017 , 02:11 PM
suicide bluff repping a flush. WP
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03-08-2017 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by CChinaman
suicide bluff repping a flush. WP
Not mainly representing a flush. BB usually c/rs flop with top pair or a flush draw. BB does not flat preflop with many hands can make a big hand to trap with. A decent part of Seiver's preflop range should be JJ+, which could push here. He could also have a Q or J, an A or K -high flush draw, or a pair and flush draw.

Seiver is mainly trying to get BB to fold a low flopped pair, A-high, or a small pp that missed. Also, K-high could be good. If Seiver makes a pair or straight on the river, a floor flush hits, and BB pushes, Seiver is in a difficult spot. He could even get bluffed off of K-high on the river.

There is about a psb bet left, and Seiver usually has outs if called. It is sort of suicidal not to put more in and be left with a very short stack. It is just one hand, but maybe one player is much better at playing postflop shallow with a lot on the line.
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03-09-2017 , 12:56 AM
It was just a case of the moment, the buy-in, the stage all getting too big for Reinkemeier.
Just how it got too big for Mikhail Smirnov when he folded quads http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...-drop-1217390/
Just how it gets too big for some home game qualifiers in WSOP Main Event every year forcing them to fold AA or KK preflop on the bubble.
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