I'd put villain on Ax here. Don't think he's calling a check raise or your turn bet with a K or flush draw if he's a solid player. Your hand is also well disguised, so he probably believes he has good equity to show down. Your bet sizing seems fine. You might get value on the river with a 1/2 pot bet or slightly less. If villain raises and shows up with 22, then well played by him.
3b/fold pre. I don't see any need to get tricky four way here.
As played - you're not getting paid from a busted spade draw, but perhaps two pair, but Ax seems less likely if your read of competent is good. I probably bet 10k, but I'm hating my life if I get raised here.
Need a lil more info was your Ace a spaid was your King a spaid? was it As Ks on flop,,,,theses are kinda key to know so you can put him on a more specific range also keep in mind that we assume his stack size is 50k also so your both still deep.
I'd put villain on Ax here. Don't think he's calling a check raise or your turn bet with a K or flush draw if he's a solid player. Your hand is also well disguised, so he probably believes he has good equity to show down. Your bet sizing seems fine. You might get value on the river with a 1/2 pot bet or slightly less. If villain raises and shows up with 22, then well played by him.
its hard with not knowing the specific suites of HERO and FLOP...QJs Q10s or 22 is def possiable give his odds pre and stack sizes
Need a lil more info was your Ace a spaid was your King a spaid? was it As Ks on flop,,,,theses are kinda key to know so you can put him on a more specific range also keep in mind that we assume his stack size is 50k also so your both still deep.
Of course it's important. I'm not totally sure so that's why I didn't precise it in my first post.
I only remember it was the 2. Considering that, we can assume BU can only have backoor flush draw if he has Ax or Kx ( for sure other suited connectors )
Clear as day 3bet pre, OP. It's all well and good discussing what to do now on the river, but the most important thing to take from this hand is to 3bet pre.
Clear as day 3bet pre, OP. It's all well and good discussing what to do now on the river, but the most important thing to take from this hand is to 3bet pre.
damn I was so tired I missed the part that he flatted the button w AK multiway. 3bet pre for sure
as others have said, 3b pre for sure. as played its pretty tough to say what to do because you shouldn't have hands in your preflop flatting range that want to x/r this flop.
It looks like everybody advise to 3bet pre. I understand why, but I don't think it's so horrible to flat and disguise our hand sometimes. Is it really mandatory to 3-bet here?
I didn’t 3-bet because I wanted to get some action on every board that will contain A or K. Ok, I agree we’ll hit less than we miss the flop, but in my mind I prefer sometimes lose 2.5 BBs and have the occasion to take a bigger pot when I hit with my disguised hand than 3-bet and take a 2k pot preflop. Also as deep and so early in the tournament I don’t want to be obligated to 3-barrel bluff OOP if I don’t hit, eventhough I have no problem to 3-barrel bluff generally.
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3b/fold pre. I don't see any need to get tricky four way here.
If I follow your 3-bet/fold thinking process, it means there’s only AA-KK against us ?!?!? You’re saying that because we are really deepstack ?
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So we all agree a 3bet on the flop is paramount.....
you stated on the flop "Hero decides to check"
i'd like to hear why you decided that.... whats the thought process??
I decided to check, because I’m almost sure OR would be C-betting this board and if he doesn’t maybe the early position caller or the BU would take a stab on this flop.
River play:
Spoiler:
I check on the river for those reasons :
- After calling my CR OTF and my bet OTT, I narrowed Vilain’s range to Ax, flush draws and 22
- Considering he seems decent/competent I don’t think he’ll call a 3rd barrel with Ax.
- By checking, i can maybe induce him to bluff his missed flush draws. Also if he has 22 and he bets, I’ll lose less if I’m unable to fold my top two pairs.
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Originally Posted by hitchens97
As played - you're not getting paid from a busted spade draw, but perhaps two pair, but Ax seems less likely if your read of competent is good. I probably bet 10k, but I'm hating my life if I get raised here.
- That’s also a reason why I didn’t want to bet the river. He can raise with 22 and also raise bluff
I guess I made a mistake by not considering he can have A2suited, Axs that would have made two pairs.
Vilain checked back and mucked
Last edited by Running_Bad_4_ever; 08-01-2017 at 07:54 AM.
A good hand such as AK will show profit by calling, but don't fall into the trap that making a +ev move is your best play when another option can win more. Here, you went four ways to the flop out of position. To win the pot, you need to make a hand capable of value betting, or have a hand which is a strong enough candidate to bluff. The threshold to do both of those things increases with more players in the pot. Your equity share of the pot will be considerably less four ways compared to heads up, and getting your opponents to fold their equity by 3betting is a really good result when out of position.
AK OOP does not play well multiway...that's why were saying 3bet pre no its not mandatory but there are much better spots to be flatting AK pre to balance your range.
I like your thought process thoughout the hand here.. 3b pre is w/e really, disguising is certainly fine early stages when we want reduce variance vs fish oop
river thought process is good and I like your check
. Considering that, we can assume BU can only have backoor flush draw if he has A