9 handed, 150-300 w/25ante

UTG (~40k) opens to 1300
HJ (~45k) flats
Hero (~31k) is in the BB with TsTc

Both players are in their 70s, neither are rocks but both have generally shown down hands that you would expect them to have given their pre-flop actions. I guess you could say that they seem "straightforward".

(4,275 in pot)

Flop:

Kd Td 5d

I check, original UTG raiser checks, HJ bets 2,800.
I make it 8k.
Original raiser folds.
HJ immediately asks how much, then thinks for 10 seconds before calling. At no point did it seem he was contemplating folding.

There is now 20,475 in the pot, I have ~21k

Turn is the 4d for KdTd5d4d


Hero.....


Can you rank the following:

1) Check with the intention of folding to a reasonably sized bet (10k+)
2) Check with the intention of calling any bet
3) Bet with the intention of folding to a shove
4) Bet with the intention of calling a shove

Thanks

I don't think you should raise flop because you open the action up to get b/3bet. In these spots you when you do raise, your range should probably be something like Adx and some flushes. Some of your flushes are going to be pretty annoyed at a fourth diamond, so I'd probably just check everything out of position.

Thanks Gregz. When I was writing this I actually started thinking "what if the flop play was the real mistake?". I'm actually turning/merging my set into a bluff/big draw here with my flop play. I could just check call 2.8k and then check call the turn bet and see if we can get the board to pair that way.

I think first ya gotta think what is UTG "rock" old guy raising UTG. I think calling flop would be best and hopefully you check called turn if price was right not loving it and praying for board to pair

Thanks

I completely butchered the hand - raise flop, bet/call turn and rivered Quads.

Hi folks,

for a little support of hero: i like the flop checkraise, it would be my default play. "i'm never more excited than when hitting a set on a monotone board" from jon turner/pearljammers book. cause it's very likely that one villain will stack you off with a high diamond in this case. i like the sizing too, cause you can jam any non-diamond turn. it's high variance, but this is a micro-live-tourney, so...

in this hand though, the way he calls your raise and a diamond falls on the turn, we have to sigh fold.

That was my thought process - one of these two are going to give me a load of chips on the flop with the Ad or with top pair. Having followed that thought process, not quite sure why I bet the turn. 25k was the starting stack, I could just check fold to a big turn bet and have 22k (70+ bbs).

For Queen sake.... again this nitty simplification.
I think we'll have nut advantage ott thus should have betting range. (maybe it depends tho)
Checking this hand ofc.

JD 2p2 legend


How does b/f-ing set on 4 to flush board has even crossed your mind mate?
After 4K posts...

B/F flop was never on my mind. It's either Check/fold or bet/call. I did the latter and got there.

This post made me feel nostalgic. Pearljammer was considered the goat back in the day, but I'm not sure that advice he's giving is all that solid for 2017.

i think with stacks that deep i completely agree with gregz about checkraising some made flushes and some Adxd hands otf.

turn is a trivial check. should be a pretty easy decision ott depending on his sizing. we should probably be able to get paid if the board pairs otr in a 160$ liveament, so implied odds should be factored in.

I like a call otf, turn seems like a trival x/f, I would call if I am getting odds to make a boat tho

check call flop, fold turn to a bet, unless u have good odds to continue