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07-31-2017 , 05:20 PM

SickCall

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Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 68

Hi guys,

Would like to get some input on the hand below. Villain plays 41/17 over 60 hands.

Poker Stars, $200 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 30 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37802614

Amadeus7777 (MP): 25,712 (85.7 bb)
OzzyM91 (CO): 16,756 (55.9 bb)
Cyberraver (BTN): 11,777 (39.3 bb)
StupidFr3nch (SB): 4,747 (15.8 bb)
TanTanSWE (BB): 31,487 (105 bb)
Hero (UTG): 22,055 (73.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9

Hero raises to 645, Amadeus7777 calls 645, 3 folds, TanTanSWE calls 345

Flop: (2,265) Q

(3 players)
TanTanSWE checks, Hero checks, Amadeus7777 bets 889, TanTanSWE folds, Hero raises to 2,812, Amadeus7777 calls 1,923

Turn: (7,889) 7

(2 players)
Hero bets 4,665, Amadeus7777 calls 4,665

River: (17,219) A

(2 players)
Hero bets 13,903 and is all-in, Amadeus7777 calls 13,903

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Think I XR something like this, nut combos q8s qq 44 88, approx half AQ . 17 combos. Bluffs all the J10s/T9s + spades K10 K9 JT J9 97 76 65. 17 combos. Decent bluff to value ratio?

Villain like this should have alot of weak draws/pairs we can get value from. Ofc bet turn on the nut barrel card for our hand, feels like we have to bluff this hand on the river when alot of our bluffing range got there. Would you have played it different in some way? Sizing?

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08-01-2017 , 05:13 AM

RalphWaldoEmerson

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too small pre, i'd open to 800
flop is spew, MP range is strongish pre, your equity sucks, blockers suck, and this play doesn't make sense with any part of your range
turn your hand improves about as much as it could hope to so I guess you have to bet, but your FE is basically 0 and your equity still sucks
river is definitely a great card for us to bomb off, congrats you played one street correctly

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08-01-2017 , 04:51 PM

pierrot_63_97

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Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,065

Villain plays 41/17 over 60 hands.
Even if sample is low, trying to bluff a guy who loves calling on this flop doesn't seem a good idea.

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08-02-2017 , 08:28 PM

angelargh

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Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 11

You are not opening Q8s Q4s K10o K9o K9s etc. combo pre UTG.. so those combos are not in your range.. esp not opening to such a small raise pre.. If you were opening those, def making this larger is better. What made you decide to check raise the flop with bad blockers and what do you rep?? Only sets and that's it..

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08-02-2017 , 10:15 PM

zanardi1

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,589

very spewy, just cf flop

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08-02-2017 , 11:37 PM

user12345

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Size down turn given spr
C/f river mostly
Rest is quite cool

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08-03-2017 , 12:35 AM

cicakman

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Flop pretty spewy especially without a club

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08-03-2017 , 06:15 AM

lissistinkt

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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson

this play doesn't make sense with any part of your range

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08-03-2017 , 10:32 AM

SickCall

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Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 68

Thanks guys, appreciate the response!

Agree that its kinda spew afterwards. My logic at the time was that villain like this (sample to low, I know), have to fold many garbage hands that he calls pre and just decide to buttonclick when cheks to him.

We only have four good barrel cards with this particular hand, so I guess we can find better candidates. Also our xc and cbet range becomes weak when we start to argue that we want to have all our sets in the xr-range.

I didnt feel like xf on flop and was ready to punt I guess

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08-03-2017 , 11:21 AM

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Soepgroente

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Your choice of bluffhand is kinda meh, you want your opponent to be bluffing when you c/r bluff the flop, and you're blocking a bunch of his gutshots. A4dd or 87dd might be a better c/r if you want to find a bluff here, blocking 44 which will never fold and not blocking (m)any of his bluffs. T9 should either go into your lead flop bluffrange or probably c/f 3way.

FWIW I think this is a pretty good line with 44/88 so it's ok to have a bluff here sometimes too.

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08-03-2017 , 12:36 PM

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user12345

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It's more of frequencies matter otf (which is function of villain tendencies) rather than hand selection matter based solely on blocker effects.
Your redundant emphasis on blocker effects levels you into this narrow-minded thinking where it's somehow better to c/f T-high+gs and c/r mid pair +bdfd not saying a word about all potential issues.

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08-03-2017 , 12:50 PM

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Soepgroente

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I don't understand what you mean. Of course it's more important to bluff at a good frequency than it is to get the exact hand right, but if we bluff T9 no bdfd here then that kind of implies we're bluffing every hand that makes for a better bluff here as well, and on this texture there are just so many gutshots and backdoor flushdraws that it's hard to see how we're not going to have a 10:1 bluff:value ratio here, considering we can only really c/r 2p+ and maybe KK/AA for value. But we also want to just cbet sometimes with real hands and bluffs, so it's just a fustercluck to start c/r bluffing every naked gutshot.

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08-03-2017 , 01:15 PM

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user12345

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Not all, that's why I used word frequency.
Don't mind bet or c/f but don't understand why it's better in vacuum to c/r a hand I can c/c at the expense of c/f-ing hand I can c/r.

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08-03-2017 , 01:44 PM

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Soepgroente

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I guess it's kinda hard to find the exact right bluffs, and we can always bluff some better bluffing hands later in the hand. It's just when I specifically c/r I want my opponent to hold the Tc or 9c as it means he's bluffing or has a mediocre 1 pair hand, and when he holds the 4d or Ad it probably means he has a set or TPTK. I don't think c/c'ing A4dd on this flop is a good idea, but maybe if our opponent gives up on his stabs a lot or we c/r some turns it can be ok.

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08-03-2017 , 03:09 PM

#15

jpgiro

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Quite frankly, if we're c/r bluffing with T9 we're just bluffing too much. Not sure we need to be bluffing with any gutshots here, but if we do we have better ones that have backdoor flush draws if nothing else.

As played, don't hate trying to barrel turn, but once opponent calls and the As hits a river jam is a bad idea, unless we think a lot of our opponents' busted spade draws take this line (calling c/r flop, calling turn) and they might fold KQ or QJ without a spade. And even then it's probably close.

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08-05-2017 , 10:58 AM

#16

OutPlayU27

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I mean if we x/r flop with Tc9c why can't we have Ts9s? (Besides sets I think is a good exploit vs this type of opp since is gonna stab flop pretty frequently and wide )
I would prob x/f and move on and start cbetting if flop has at least a bdfd where we can barrel a lot of turns.
As played I would prob give up and x/f river even tho I don't hate the shove tbh.

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08-07-2017 , 07:40 PM

#17

imfromsweden

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Please domt get stuck in frequency considerations vs a 41/17. I also don't see how T9s can possibly be part of a balanced check-raising range on the flop. Can't we at least have the As so that we block all nut flushdraws/AQ that aren't going anywhere? Sorry but this gets 0 stars.

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