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03-10-2017 , 06:02 AM
live tournament HJ has been raising fair amount preflop then giving up alot postflop. BB been fairly passive, was heads up few hands previously where i cbet on 683 with J10 in position then checked back turn on 2 and bet big on river when J came and he paid me off (tilted him abit).

7 handed blinds 300/600/75 ante

Hero dealt - Q10
Pot 1350

Hj raises 1700 (30k stack)
Hero Call from CO (24k stack)
Bb calls (30k stack)

Pot 5850
Flop 2 10 5

Bb checks
hj bets 2200
Hero calls
Bb calls

Pot 12450

Turn J
BB checks
Hj checks
Hero bets 4500
Bb calls
Hj folds

Pot 21450
River J
Bb bets 7000

Hero?....
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03-10-2017 , 06:48 AM
Don't call pre flop, don't bet the turn. As played I'd call the river. You only have to be right 20% of the time and his bet doesn't make much sense. It looks a bit like a blocker bet but raising isn't an option either for value or as a bluff.
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03-10-2017 , 07:56 AM
button was very tight so thought most of the time i would be in position. it is on the borderline of what i would call

what is your reasoning for not betting the turn? when HJ doesnt bet turn could be pot controlling but most likely is giving up. Was thinking that i am ahead of the BB alot who has a weaker pair, or flush, straight draw. Dont want to give either of them a free card so betting here with the intention of checking back most rivers if called.
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03-10-2017 , 11:36 AM
Rather 3/bet fold this pre rather than flatting. When you say the BB was passive you cannot like this bet, usually passive player will just x/c on this river, however I do agree it looks a lot like a blocker bet. I can see missed FD's, maybe a weaker 10x and of course jx doing this, you're getting a good price to call, but you're crippled if you're wrong here. Tough spot
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03-10-2017 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Harry155
Don't call pre flop, don't bet the turn. As played I'd call the river. You only have to be right 20% of the time and his bet doesn't make much sense. It looks a bit like a blocker bet but raising isn't an option either for value or as a bluff.
+1

It does look like a blocker bet with something like 9s or 8s. If he had you out-kicked with K10 or A10 he probably wouldn't have played so passively. It's possible he floated something like QJss but most people would lead the flop with a flush draw there.

As played I call the river because you don't have to be right that often and you are not crippled in any way ... still would have 15k left at 300/600. But yea, this is the type of hand and spot that I would either 3bet or fold pre. I have no problem betting the turn, though. Lots of draw-type hands could get there and anything that has you out-kicked is likely to have lead the flop or turn.
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03-10-2017 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by vyken111
+1still would have 15k left at 300/600.
He has 15K left if he folds the river, if he calls and losses then he's left with 8k which isn't good
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03-10-2017 , 03:07 PM
I like checking back the turn because we're building too big a pot with a marginal hand. If you're trying to charge draws you have to bet bigger (we can't really do this with this hand). Betting to this size is giving any spade draw, Q9 and KQ with no spade the right odds to outdraw us so we're not accomplishing much by betting to charge draws. We're getting called by a lot of better hands....AT/KT/JT/any J with a spade draw. There are some worse hands of course 66/77/88/T8/T9/A5/65/75 maybe depending on how loose he is but there really aren't enough to believe that you're definitely good here and when he does call and have you dominated then you're stack is dropping down to the 25 bb mark which is an unnecessary risk with this particular hand. You probably have to fold if he jams, especially if he's a very passive player. Plus there's always the chance that the original raiser turned top pair and is now checking for pot control. Finally, it might be unlikely but when he does lead the river it puts you in an awkward spot where you're calling off almost all of your stack to a passive player with a very marginal hand. There will be worse rivers than a jack as well, any ace, king, 9 or spade. These are the reasons I don't like betting the turn.
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