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07-22-2017 , 08:51 AM
Hi everyone, just wondering if you guys could give me some feedback on this hand I played today.

Effective stack is 28000

Hero (UTG): AsQs
Button: ??
BB: ??

Blinds are 200/400 with 50 ante

Hero raises UTG to 1050 with AsQs
Button calls, BB also calls

Flop: Ks 10s 6d

BB bets 3000, Hero calls 3000, Button shoves for 28000, BB calls 28000, Hero?

What are you guys doing in this spot?

Thanks in advance
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07-22-2017 , 09:26 AM
I think its a fold this deep
One of them have 2p+ other one can have your outs
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07-22-2017 , 06:01 PM
Fold. You are probably up against a set of 6s and maybe 2 pair. Do you want to risk your tournament life this early with 8 or 9 outs?
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07-22-2017 , 07:46 PM
Call. 25000/28000+28000+28000+3150(3 raise and calls pre)+200(Sb)+500(antes) -> 25000/87500 -> 28.47% equity to call ->

board: KsTs6d
Hand Equity Wins Ties
KdKh 65.67% 593 0
AsQs 33.11% 299 0
6s7s 1.22% 11 0


Hand Equity Wins Ties
6c6h 4.43% 40 0
AsQs 36.88% 333 0
KdKh 58.69% 530 0

Hand Equity Wins Ties
KdKh 58.69% 530 0
AsQs 36.88% 333 0
TdTh 4.43% 40 0
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07-24-2017 , 03:55 PM
Snap call!! Are you kidding? $660 buy in- nut flush/Royal/ over card/ straight ! Sounds like top pair v 2 pair or flush/straight draw- no matter what, your cards are live!!! Of course I am easily seduced by a nut flush draw, combine w a straight/Royal draw- I'm calling unless it means a huge pay jump if we are already in the money.
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07-24-2017 , 07:23 PM
think you need to call. doing rough calcs in my head we are getting better then 2-1 to call. so we need around 30% to call or slightly less and again very rough calcs id say we have in the 36-38% equity vs their ranges.
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07-24-2017 , 09:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldskool87
think you need to call. doing rough calcs in my head we are getting better then 2-1 to call. so we need around 30% to call or slightly less and again very rough calcs id say we have in the 36-38% equity vs their ranges.
+1. If we're getting a 6% equity edge we generally have to call off, expecting to lose a pretty decent amount of the time.
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07-25-2017 , 06:13 PM
Based solely on the math, you should call. With that said, if you think you have a skill edge, there isn't any shame in folding as you have a sizable stack and it's not like you are a heavy favorite. It would be a technical mistake, but lower variance.

Did you consider raising bb on the flop or did you have a live read? With a combo draw like this, an aggressive play is usually the better move unless you aren't willing to go the distance with it.
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07-31-2017 , 05:09 AM
Man my initial feeling was too fold ,since your so deep and mathematically its a close call but I think the live MTT come in effect here and if your table is tough I would GII however like the prev if you think you have an edge on your table I think folding is perfectly fine given how deep you are. Alotta of your outs could easily be up against set QJ which blocks your str8 and KTs could easily be in their range this deep....Gross spot!
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07-31-2017 , 05:12 AM
Call i think it's best decision here.
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08-01-2017 , 12:23 PM
Think about it like this:

All of the money for this tournament is paid out to the top few places, right? So, eventually, somehow, we need to get a very large (>20) percent of the chips in play to really have a shot at a good payday. Do you really think you will find a better spot in this tourney to collect this many chips? You have nut draws that you know are live, you are getting way the right price to draw, and a big stack now makes things much easier moving forward.

If your main goal is to just make the money, then by all means, fold; but you will probably be folding until you have a 10bb-30bb stack and will be forced to gamble anyway, and may very likely get it in much worse than you would have here. If your goal it to win this thing, then go for the chips with your big draws when you know you’re getting the right price to call.

For me, this is a fist pump jam, AINEC
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08-02-2017 , 12:34 AM
Sssssssnapppppp it off without hesitation, and happily.
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08-02-2017 , 01:54 AM
Can't fold m8
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08-02-2017 , 05:26 PM
good point sir! Need these forums to get out of my knit ball!
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08-22-2017 , 08:44 PM
+ 15-25 bb spot (ranges dependent) at your final decision
where you`ll be busted like 2 times out of 3

and a bit worse than that if one of them can have your outs (+SF out).

Funny thing is to debate how benificial trippling up early in tourney can be.
Not much online but maybe its different live.

Otherwise you`ll get enough similar (ev wise) spots in soft livament and you`ll past through them in much smoother way (w/ less VAR).
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08-23-2017 , 08:10 AM
I can't think of any combination of hands they can have where we don't have the required equity, and there are some truly beautiful scenarios where they both have KT or both have a set and no spades where your equity is huge. Or they have 76ss and 98ss
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08-23-2017 , 09:17 AM
This is a laugh-first-call for most live events. While a description of each V and some timing info on how quickly they acted would help; I am never, ever folding here. Hell, one of them could have QJ here! There is a non-zero chance that your A is actually live as well (however unlikely.)

This is a live donkament. BTW what's the buy-in and structure? If this is a Las Vegas daily than beat them in the pot. If the WSOP ME, then folding is more viable.
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08-23-2017 , 12:13 PM
Yeah unless I'm an idiot, there is no scenario where we have less than equity than the 28% that we need to make the call. Not saying this would be easy in an MTT in the heat of the moment but we should be calling here.
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08-23-2017 , 01:41 PM
In a live <$1k donkament this is a call.

If you have great table reads and this is a $1500-$10,000 buy-in then I would give it some more pause.
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08-28-2017 , 01:43 PM
If this is a re-entry its not even close ez call
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08-29-2017 , 12:04 AM
yea id call getting better than 2-1

awesome if someone has spades and we freerolling
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