Blinds are 200/400/50

Effective Stacks with villian is 32k.

Hero is UTG+1 and raises to 1k with A Q, 2 MP Calls, Villain(Button) calls, BB Calls.

Flop(5700): Q 9 4

BB Checks, Hero Bets 3500, MP Folds, Mp Folds, Villain(Button) Calls, BB Folds.

Turn(12700): T

Hero?

Villain is a young white male who seems to sort of know what he's doing. Seems to be on the passive side so far.

I assume flop bet is standard, but I'm open to suggestion

Turn I am thinking of bet folding.

Check the flop. Or think about your sizing and what youre trying to accomplish.
Check now

On the flop I block 0 draws and have Top Top in a 5 way pot. I know I'm supposed to be tight here as it's 5-ways, but my hand is vulnerable and very likely good right now.

Unreg pre

The second I saw you responded I knew I was in for some good content. Thanks!

I might check/call the turn instead of bet/fold.

2.8k flop, bet turn again

Genuinely curious as to why you think sizing is bad. Seems like he is building a pot w/ likely the best hand while other Qx hands will have a hard time folding, and setting a price that does not give draws direct odds to call.

In what direction and why are you adjusting bet size?

Sizing isn't bad, but we are at a range disad and 5way we are just vtowning ourselves too often as we are frozen on most turns oop w a lower spr against who knows how many opps. If hero thinks w/e of villains involved, prob be around ~15-1600 and have a range consisting of sets(maybe not qq), overpairs, Qx, Axhh, combo/gutters, overcards. Think we do much better x/decide tho where we can x/r for value/deny equity, or x/c for control/equity depending what the action behind looks like.

Disagree re not betting flop. I think 5 way you do want to be betting tptk and overpairs a lot here as protecting your equity is a lot more important than in heads up spots. It is still good enough to vbet too. Don't think AQ is overdoing it. I like a turn check on all but the driest turns as your hand can't really go three streets so I'm definitely checking on the T turn. I guess I agree betting slightly smaller makes sense if you want to include AQ but it's still a fairly strong and small range so I would have thought bigger than 1/4 pot would make more sense.

Turn(12700): T

Hero Bets 6500. Villain tank(1min) raises all in for 27500 total.

Hero?

think you have to bet fold now but you shouldn't have bet. This should be very far down in your bet flop 5 way barrel turn range and it has basically no equity when behind so I don't think you can consider calling it.

vs passive player like you mentioned im leaning towards b/f turn.

I think this is results oriented thinking. We definitely get value from betting. Worse Qs, Pair+Draw, naked FDs. I assume all his made hands would be raising flop making his flop calling range heavily skewed towards draws and 1 pair hands.

Now, when he raises turn he's basically repping 3 value hands IMO. QT, T9, and TT. I don't imagine KJ or J8 are floating flop(Unless they are suited hearts). We also block QT. So, while my initial desire was to b/f, I wonder if b/c has merits as we block his value hands, and don't block many of his semi-bluff hands.

I said the same above before you posted any results

Good point... haha.

what kind of hands do you think villain has OTT before I bet?

If we want to split out TP hands that we want to c-bet vs. those we don't, maybe pick hands like KhQx or AhQx where we have some backdoor equity. Not sure we need to bet many of our strong top pair hands in a five way pot, but it's close enough that I don't think it's a disaster either way.

As played, turn should be a check and then a bet-fold once he jams. The problem is that while he doesn't have that many value hands, he also doesn't have that many bluffs other than heart draws and a few open-enders, and those draws may not want to jam if they're pair+draw hands. Running some quick scenarios through Flopzilla it is very hard for me to see where you have >30% vs. your opponents' likely range unless it contains a fair amount of air or he's willing to turn marginal made hands into bluffs on the turn.

I still don't understand quite why people want to check this turn. We can still get called by worse hands like Fdraws, StraightDraws+Pairs, worse TPairs. I think I would size the turnbet down though to about 4.5-5kish. That way it's harder for him to fold toppairs, where betting 6.5k realy looks like a strong made hand.
I would rather Check-call with KQ or QJ (especially if we have a heart, and so have blockers +ways to improve) than AQ which can still get called by worse
if sizing is right, but pretty much never improves unless an offsuit Ace comes on the river.

I personaly think that betting turn and checking river will make the hand much easier too:
- We leave value in the table if we don't charge the draws on the turn.
- If we get raised on the turn, it's very likely going to be a hand that has us in rough shape and folding is easier. Whereas check-calling turn, we pretty much have to call all rivers except for a heart, and with AQ without a heart here it will be realy tough to improve if we're behind.
- If we check river, villian will most likely check back all worse hands and bet better hands (maybe even check low 2Ps on certain runouts)

My preferred line here would be Cbet-Fold flop (we need to protect our hand versus 5opponents+we can get called by much worse having TPTK, but 5way there aren't a ton of people who would go crazy with for example JsTs)
Bet-fold turn, and check river unless it's the A of non hearts.

P.S. for those people who want to check-call turn, I'm curious of what your plan is on various river runouts? And do you expect a worse TP to bet 2 times in those runouts (espeacilly if river is no heart)?

I think it's optimistic that a lot of pair+draw hands are even in our opponents range after we bet turn. Does 98 call two streets? Would a hand like T8 call flop? Remember that we c-bet a 5-way flop and then double barreled. If the answer is yes to those questions, then I'm ok with betting turn for value but I'm not convinced.