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06-28-2012, 11:53 AM
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Re: Starcraft 2 BBV thread
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Originally Posted by cwar
Yeah PvT, toss engagement micro/positioning is significantly harder than Terran IMO. Difficult micro and positioning or you lose all your stuff. Although anyone who makes immo/stalker with no sentries deserves to lose.
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Until the lategame, then it becomes harder for Terran.
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06-28-2012, 11:59 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Starcraft 2 BBV thread
Meh, late game terran prob has more to do with balancing unit comp than positioning it.
The entire time I am playing PvT I am just waiting for the T player to get out of position even if I have a superior army.
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06-28-2012, 02:16 PM
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Re: Starcraft 2 BBV thread
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Originally Posted by Gospy
Meh, late game terran prob has more to do with balancing unit comp than positioning it.
The entire time I am playing PvT I am just waiting for the T player to get out of position even if I have a superior army.
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Umm, if as a protoss you wait until your opponent is out of position, as opposed to making sure you're always in a perfect position, doesn't that mean positioning for terran is just as, if not more, important than for protoss?
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06-28-2012, 03:48 PM
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Re: Starcraft 2 BBV thread
lol...noob protoss players always make waayyyyy too many stalkers in their composition (against terran). mass stalkers are fine in some builds (2 base colo + stalkers is fine) or like a blink stalker/obs build...but more zealots = better in that matchup.
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06-28-2012, 04:36 PM
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Re: Starcraft 2 BBV thread
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Originally Posted by Willd
Umm, if as a protoss you wait until your opponent is out of position, as opposed to making sure you're always in a perfect position, doesn't that mean positioning for terran is just as, if not more, important than for protoss?
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Position is certainly a function of the location/status of your enemy's units as well as your own. So those could easily be seen as the same or at the very least highly correlated. (Speaking purely of engagements)
All I meant was if I a move on 1-2 bases, I'm probably losing even if I have a slightly bigger army. And even if I try to micro it's going to take some pretty good ffs.
Which kind of doesn't matter for late game I guess, so nevermind. I mean I guess it does take quite a bit of micro to spread units to dodge storms.
Last edited by Gospy; 06-28-2012 at 04:42 PM.
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06-28-2012, 04:46 PM
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Re: Starcraft 2 BBV thread
I'm zerg so I don't speak from experience but late game PvZ seems like it should involve some of the most micro intensive battles of any matchup by both sides.
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06-28-2012, 05:37 PM
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Re: Starcraft 2 BBV thread
Zerg has no micro.
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06-28-2012, 05:42 PM
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ELIte
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Re: Starcraft 2 BBV thread
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Originally Posted by Willd
I'm zerg so I don't speak from experience but late game PvZ seems like it should involve some of the most micro intensive battles of any matchup by both sides.
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It does. People don't give Stephano and them the credit they deserve for macroing, injecting, looking for drops AND controlling a BL/infestor/corruptor/spine crawler/ling/roach army. It's very difficult, especially when the meat of your army is static defense. You simply cannot let the stalkers blink under you BLs. You miss the fungal to prevent that, and it can be GG.
Then when a mothership comes into play? Oh boy.
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06-28-2012, 05:50 PM
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Re: Starcraft 2 BBV thread
~9/10 ladder matches I play vs Zerg involve the zerg racing to 70 drones and 180 supply at like 11-12 min then a moving me.
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06-28-2012, 06:00 PM
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ELIte
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Re: Starcraft 2 BBV thread
tosses have been meta gaming the **** out of that build on ladder. i barely even do it anymore.
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06-28-2012, 06:03 PM
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Re: Starcraft 2 BBV thread
One thing I'm curious about in games I watch (esp when Karak streams): Zergs always seem to expand reallllly fast, taking a 2nd like instantly and a pretty quick third. How do those types of builds respond to early pushes?
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06-28-2012, 06:06 PM
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Re: Starcraft 2 BBV thread
They are generally pretty safe.
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06-28-2012, 06:13 PM
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ELIte
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Re: Starcraft 2 BBV thread
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
One thing I'm curious about in games I watch (esp when Karak streams): Zergs always seem to expand reallllly fast, taking a 2nd like instantly and a pretty quick third. How do those types of builds respond to early pushes?
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hatch firsting (taking a "2nd" or natural expansion very quickly) is standard in msot match-ups.
a general rule which almost always applies is this: zerg must always be 1 base ahead of his opponent (not counting mirrors) to be at least even in the game. there are some exceptions, of course, but if you are on even bases with a T or P opponent (especially P) as zerg, you're probably in trouble.
that said, i take very greedy thirds in zvt
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06-28-2012, 06:16 PM
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Re: Starcraft 2 BBV thread
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
One thing I'm curious about in games I watch (esp when Karak streams): Zergs always seem to expand reallllly fast, taking a 2nd like instantly and a pretty quick third. How do those types of builds respond to early pushes?
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Karak can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure with several early pushes you actually need to go hatch first in order to actually be able to hold. Not enough production if you go pool first.
Hatch first ask questions later. Unless I'm up against protoss, then I'm 8 pooling.
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06-28-2012, 06:29 PM
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ELIte
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Re: Starcraft 2 BBV thread
I mean I can't remember the last time I didn't go hatch first vs. a T (unless he eng blocks me, which is an entirely different issue), so I dunno. There's no reason not to hatch first vs. a T.
The only time I ever go hatch first vs. P is by accident... I forget to check the race and think I'm in a ZvZ or ZvT or something. If you routinely hatch first vs. P, you're gonna have a bad time.
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