oh man i did mess your picks up

sorry

I'm confused, did you mess his picks up or is the spreadsheet just in the wrong order?

I just opened Skype to check, fwiw the actual order of Auts' picks is...

Jjakji
CJ Hero
Byul
Sen
Welmu
Targa
Creator
TY
Happy
Gumiho
Reality
Stork
Elfi
Bly

okay maybe it was just forgg then

free agent is just anyone not on a team, correct?

for now just gonna post here; can i snag kas as my last spot?


looking for terrans for koreans also if people wanna get trades going

yeah you can draft your last player whenever.

i realized i only have two terrans on my team, lol

I am willing to trade Reality/Stork, give me offers boys.

Would like to add Effort to my roster.

Please make your last draft picks by tomorrow.

Also, weekly roster updates will go live midnight Sunday evening Eastern. Please send me all updates by then.

so goofy and i were discussing this particular part of the rules:

For the purposes of calculation, players will only be eligible for categories one, three, and seven if they are in an active roster spot from the starting date of the main tournament (discounting qualifiers) through the date on which the player plays no more matches that determine either WCS points or prize money.

We discussed changing it so that players will be eligible as long as they are in a starting
spot by the time THEY play their first match, not when the tournament starts. This may
give an unbalanced (though unbiased) advantage to certain owners with players who play in later groups.

Thoughts?

Also, we toyed with the idea of changing this:

Trades do not overrule any previously outlined scoring rules.

to something more reasonable like 'as long as the player involved in the trade was always
on an active roster, his new owner will still receive $$ and WCS points [his old and
new owners will receive vX %s for the times they owned said player]

I kinda like the first rule as it is (from the start of the tournament, not the player playing his first match).

Continuing to talk about this we also realized it can benefit players who play earlier if they get knocked out - like, if you can take someone who was eliminated from GSL Group A last night out of your lineup right now, but people who have players in Group H have to leave their dude in for weeks, that could be a little unfair.

Should we make it so that you have to leave the player in for the entire Ro32? Or just be like "you have to put him in before he starts playing and you can take him out anytime after he's eliminated"?

I actually think I like the "entire ro32" idea better. Thinking about this more - you could kinda use loopholes to rack up way more "players in premier league" points than you should. Player in Group A gets eliminated, take him out of your lineup instantly and replace him with someone in your bench from Group B, rinse repeat, then dump some crappy eliminated-from-Code-S-and-probably-won't-requalify players and pick up 4 dumpy WCS NA premier scrubs from free agency, finish season 1 with like 25 points in the "players in WCS premier" category?

I think that definitely defeats the purpose of the "leaving players in for the whole tournament" rule.

I think a friendly reminder of like "Hey this ROxxx is starting fill your rosters" for this tournament and having them have to be in by the start is best. It seems like that'd be a major loophole given playing first and potentially swapping a losing player seems op if I'm understanding correctly. Also who's a random player I can fill in as my last spot?

Your roster is actually invalid right now, you have Nestea in your WCS EU slot (he's in NA) and the only WCS EU player you have is Dayshi, who is currently in your Euro slot (you have no other Euros).

As such I recommend you pick up a Euro who just qualified for EU Premier. Probably Showtime, Kas, Starbuck, or Slivko? Or SortOf if he beats Nightend in this last CL match (he's down 1-0 atm). Auts prob would have the best advice on who you should take, I don't know much about the random Euros.

yes, this is a good point. let's do entire round at minimum.

another procedural question- are we giving vs Z/T/P win % credit for challenger league matches played between the draft and now? the "round" technically had already started, but i sort of lean yes because these players took on the additional risk of drafting a player not yet in premier.

thoughts?

Also, Killer, I would swap in Revival for Pet. Revival has a tough task ahead of him in getting through Byul/Hyun to advance in his NA Ro32 group, but his equity in that tournament is drastically higher than Pet's in GSL, whose opponents are Sora/Soulkey/Squirtle and has almost no chance of advancing.

ForGG and Snute were victorious so I am in favor

for this i think 2 options are

NO
-or-
let everyones players count, since no one has set a roster.

i am biased to no because i didnt think challenger counted at all, so i tried to get all premier people (like picking up kas once he made premier)

also, can we weight challenger points less as they generally are softer and if you have a solid player get knocked down, hes way more likely to advance than if you have a more random person?


for the tourney thing, rosters are set weekly and then locked in for the week? can we do "dynamic" roster set dates? so if there is a weekend tourney we set rosters early, say thursday to the sunday or monday after? it would suck if you have a favorite in a pt scoring tourney sit out his first round or w.e because he plays friday.

if im misinterpreting something, lmk, got a few tables going atm and keep getting distracted

i'll let others weigh in on the first. i think CL wins should be included. getting all premier league people was a good strategy and wasn't really punished because there is no chance that they lose their CL matches and leave you with a scrub on your bench- plus, if you have a CL person and he loses, those wins count against you as well. not like this should even matter or anything but i'm pretty sure everyone's gonna have a bajillion wins/losses so 3 games either way isn't a huge difference.

it's weird because this is our first iteration and there are actually tournaments going on right now. i tried to set people's lineups at least decently (if you have premier league or CL people going, i put them in your lineups, etc.), but inevitably there's going to be a rough patch or two at first. lmk what you guys think.

W/L%s, WCS points, and $$ won (I group these all the same) will not be weighted depending on the tournament. if we start weighting tournaments by the quality of competition, this will just devolve into a huge argument.

i'm not sure about this one. i figured that there's nothing going ever on sunday night at midnight so that is a safe time to set your lineups for the week. if someone gets out, that's a risk you have to take- but i don't really see how your dynamic roster set date accomplishes anything that the sunday midnight date doesn't.

...but the only reason someone is in CL is because they lost more maps than they won in their premier group. Plus variance is high in a single bo5, you saw Tod lose to that bad noname Zerg today.

Roster date is tough as there isn't really a great time - Proleague's normal schedule is Sunday/Monday/Tuesday KR time (so super early on Sun/Mon/Tues USA time, could overlap with the end of weekend tournaments), all premier tournaments are mid-week, weekend tournaments are Thurs-Sun.

trueee, misread scoring, i thought it was just wins.

thats true too but i meant for the major tournies that aren't every week. idk, we dont need pure concrete rules since its just for fun, so i dont mind if we try some things out for a while

Ok tx, added showtime to my roster. Do we post in here/skype when we want to do something?

post roster changes and trades. Pm me adds, drops, and waiver claims.

Swapped this Revival for Pet


Edit- Changed it in the doc. I assume you want to do it all so it gets done properly. I'll do that from now if so.

link to doc?