the last message I have from you is from Monday the 15th.

top 3 players:

1-MrCash2006... because no1 tilts and gets off their normal game more than they do when they play him, hes gotten people to call down with no pair no draw numerous times, even playing the board! MrCash has also made the best valuebet of all time in all of poker... heres the HH

PokerStars Game #16750968133: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) - 2008/04/15 - 14:31:04 (ET)
Table 'Hera' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 3: MrCash2006 ($125 in chips)
Seat 4: harvicfan29 ($80 in chips)
MrCash2006: posts small blind $1
harvicfan29: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MrCash2006 [9s 3s]
MrCash2006: calls $1
harvicfan29: checks
*** FLOP *** [Jc Js Jh]
harvicfan29: checks
MrCash2006: bets $2
harvicfan29: calls $2
*** TURN *** [Jc Js Jh] [Ad]
harvicfan29: checks
MrCash2006: bets $4
harvicfan29: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [Jc Js Jh Ad] [8s]
harvicfan29: checks
MrCash2006: bets $4
harvicfan29: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MrCash2006: shows [9s 3s] (three of a kind, Jacks)
EZMerz joins the table at seat #6
harvicfan29: mucks hand
MrCash2006 collected $23.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $24 | Rake $0.50
Board [Jc Js Jh Ad 8s]
Seat 3: MrCash2006 (button) (small blind) showed [9s 3s] and won ($23.50) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 4: harvicfan29 (big blind) mucked [3h 4s]

2- otterkopf... hes 1 person i wouldnt play

3-kobeyard...no1 runs hotter, he never misses a flop

The rest of the lhe people suck imo for the most part, if there was a "top 3 worst players" I wouldnt know who to pick but it'd be fun to think about.

lolwhat

And no I've seen actual 8high valuebets paid off, not some crappy bluff that you get excited about when some lowstakes tard missclicks

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Nah, i'm sure there are at least 3 guys better at 6 max than me, maybe not 7 though. But i'm really a full ring expert. And definately better than almost all that laugh at me and call me a fish. They can say whatever they want, but the reality is i was/am better(or at the very least comparable) at full ring and 6 max than almost all of my haters. The real truth is the reason i didn't win much online was because of hu and tilting. I suck at hu and would play excellent hu players when on tilt. This is where i lost all my money, and where they won it from me. Noone ever beat me at 6 max and full ring, i beat myself. And i never used software or played with my buddies in the game either. <br>
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They come play live and don't seem as invincable as they seemed online, i wonder why? 0f course not all of them play bad, but most of them don't live up to the hype they get from here. They are actually human live like the rest of us. Yet when they play live with me they snicker behind my back at what a fish i am to their buddies, when the reality is i'm playing better(when not tilting of course). Ian johns was in my 40-80 game during wsop making comments about my play of some hands(mind you i never said a word of his bad plays, yet he felt the need to express what he thought was my bad play). I was tilting at the time but the play he comments on was a postflop play i made that wasn't tilt, but excellent play. <br>
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The hand was a raise one off the button from a local regular whose game i know pretty well, and more importantly know how he plays me. Ian threebets the button. I'm in the bb with qj and call. Now the flop comes j,10, rag. I check local bets into ian and ian just calls(now i know there's good chance ian has an AK,AQ,KQ type hand, as if he had a made hand why wouldn't he rasie the flop on this straight draw heavy flop?) So i checkraise the flop as i m pretty sure i have ian beat, and have a decent chance of having local beat with top pair q kicker. Local now threebets and ian calls(i know the local doesn't respect my raises/always thinks i'm on a move and will threebet any pair here). So i 4 bet it to charge both of them with me having the probable best hand, they both call. Blank on turn i lead they both call, river blank i bet local calls and ian folds. I win the hand. Ian now says something like i can't believe how many outs he had in an insulting way. Like i way overplayed my hand, and that i should have had 2 pair or better to pound this hand. i don't know ian or dislike him. Although his snickering comments were mildly rude and uncalled for, especially when he was wrong. And where does he get off thinking he is a higher authority on how to play a hand than me? I think it was a case of him playing with tlw and having a predisposition/hatred of me without even knowing me. Btw, seemed like a decent guy that just didn't like "tlw". And he didn't say anything bad, just snickering comments on my play. <br>
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Then another time playing with "Traditional". Firstoff he wasn't very good in the full ring game. Now the game breaks down and he asks me to play hu. Ok i can understand him asking me once as i was on tilt, buried, and suck at hu. So he was hoping i would say yes. I didn't know it was him at the time, but figured if he was asking for hu he was prolly good at it. And i was tired so i said no(although i never thought traditional was that good and i mighta leaned towards playing had i known it was him). So he sees me hesitate and consider it for a half a second before finally saying no. So he says really sarcastically/arrogantly something like "well if you change your mind i'll be here all night, and i'll be here ALLLLLLLL weekend if you change your mind". i smiled and said ok i'll let you know if i change my mind. The arrogance/rudeness from these kids is ridiculous. <br>
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And i'm not arrogant, i'm confident, but alot of these online guys/high stakes players are arrogant. I just think what i've always thought. If you're a real(when i say real limit pro i mean an experienced real pro, not wannabees that play stupid and think their pros) limit pro there isn't much difference in ability between one another. Like if you took Mike Schneider, Bicyclekick, PokerBob, Kpr16, Tuanleewannabee, Philuva, Phil Ivey, Mark Gregorich, Roy Cooke, Ian Johns, Bryce Paradis, Hoss Tbf, Mason Malmuth, David Sklansky, Palomino, Nosorog, Barry Tannenbaum, and a whole bunch of other John Doe experienced limit pros their wouldn't be a big difference in ability. That's if you put them in the same fair environment. A full ring live game where there is no software being used, a game that is comfortable for everyone's bankroll, and nobody has their friend's playing in the game with them. <br>
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All of these players know how to play limit holdem. Some might be a little better than others and earn slightly more, but not a huge amount more. Like the aggressive players would have bigger swings, while the tighter nits would have smaller swings. But in the end the bb per hour would not be much higher for any. But the 2+2/online world thinks they are so much better building themselves, their careers, and their buddies reputations up. While the reality is there isn't a big difference in ability, just different styles. <br>
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p.s. Mason and David don't play as much limit holdem these days as they used to. But they were solid limit pros when they did. So i'm going on their old play when comparing.

I asked you nicely if you wanted hu. You said no. I said "ok well I'll be around if you change your mind"
You take everything too serious. I knew you took that wrong. I am sorry you did that was not my intention I just like to keep games going.

~ Traditional

fishboy we've played a ton online together but only once live at last year's wsop. you seemed like a pretty nice guy, definitely not what your online persona would indicate. i gave you a beat, you gave me a beat. we both laughed about it.

Not tilting makes someone a much better player

I'm pretty sure i read the way/tone you said it right. It felt like you wanted to give ole Tuan a little extra jab/needle after he lost 10k playing in an unreal juiceball 80-160 game. But i appreciate the apology, now my view of you is different. And i just said i didn't think you were that good because i was annoyed by what i saw as a needle. But its all good!

Yeah, you seemed like a pretty cool, laid back, nice guy too. We didn't talk much, just you gave off a relaxed, cool vibe. Played with Kpr16 also, he seemed like a nice guy when i played with him live. Not as hostile towards me as he was online. But might have been because he was drunk and looked happy, like he just got back from a great night of being seduced by strippers. Maybe he sang "in the still of the night" to them!

Sorry for the chat tilting online. It was just that you used to destroy me hu and shorthanded and take ALL my money. So i saw you as an evil monster(not human) that was out to destroy me. I never called you any names, the only thing i used to do was whine about how good you ran. I don't know why so many got mad by it though. It wasn't like i ever said you guys suck or play bad, just that you all ran like golden gods. But you rarely ever said anything bad back. Except that one time when you said you were gonna punch me in the face lol. I was surprised as you never got angry with me before that time. I think you usually just saw me as a nice atm for you so you coddled the fish, but that day you musta just been having a bad day.

Btw, i'm joking guys when i say i think i'm the 7th best player on full tilt. I have no idea where i'd rank. And some of you are prolly way better than me 6 handed and shorter. But i do feel i'm way better than i get credit for, better than alot of my haters, except for the really good ones. And when i play live in full ring games i feel confident that i'm the best player at the table, or at least a close equal to whoever is the best player at the table(when i play my best game, when on super tilt the worst player at the table). And its not arrogance, just confidence(and maybe a little irrational delusion)

No needle intended you would not be a great spot live but if I remember correctly the fish left the full game and two minutes later it broke therefor there was still a bunch of random 80 players who may have played if we kept playing. I can see how you would take it that way especially since u lost big full ring again not my intention. Buds?

Its all good, no worries. Like i said before that since you apologized i now know your not a toolbag.

loled so hard at this haha

I have noticed that a world class HU players aren't (relatively) any good at 6 max.

Any comments why it so?

PS. I'm I like Milfs. Not banned, but just changed my email (can't anymore know I like Milfs password), trying to stop me posting drunk, but here I am again. I'm still egomaniac and drunk, but I love this forum and can't stop myself (sorry).

I'm a better hu player than 6max player and I'm apparently the 2nd best 6max LHE player ever, so... counterexample to this post imo

Philip Newall

I'm not saying, that Philip Newall isn't good at 6 max. He is just way better HU, than 6 max.

Is Hawrilenko any good at 6 max.?

yes, doesn't play now but when he did some he was probably like 7-10th best overall at the time

You 2nd and Hawrilenko only 7-10th, so not any good?

lol I'm only 2nd by your crazy ranking. and that's now, so hoss has gotta be like down to 18 so I really have him dominated

BOOM BOOM POW

In fairness though. TLW is a solid FR live limit player, and I would dare say he is better at it than most of the 10/20-30/60 online lhe players that frequent this forum.

When I say most I'd say 70%

TQP

I believe it. He's prob better than me.

I'm surprised you would say that. As the last time we played at bellagio i thought we were gonna get into a fight. I mean i didn't want to fight, but you were coming at me pretty aggressively(verbally). Asking me if i was pretending to be ******ed on the forums or if i actually was ******ed, something to that effect. And also i heard you say to ian as i walked by "this ***'n idiot" which i was guessing was about the day before because our 40-80 game was short and i asked for us to draw for the full table. You wanted to play short, but it was a sucky lineup and the other fullish table had some big fishies in it.

Not that this exchange would effect what you thought of my fr play, but most 2+2 guys wouldn't throw me a bone and ever say i don't suck. Sometimes i go MEGATILT live, those days i'm not solid.

I have not been around long but I'm guessing that the top 3 limit holdem 6max players ever are probably the same as the top 3 players on Stars today. If these guys could take their skill back in time, they would just crush even harder. My list is directed more toward grinders as I feel that those who are playing high volume are probably better than those who are using high game selection requirements or not playing often.

Therefore, my list would be

1. TPirahna: This is the easiest spot to pick. He consistently beats the games and has won more money than any other 6max player in 2011. He was probably #1 in 2010 as well. He is miles ahead of everyone on the 50 100 winners list, which is the highest stake that regularly has a game at least once a day. As the game evolves, Pirahna will evolve with it. His work ethic is second to none and has earned him top spot.

2. Zzeigler: He is crushing the 30 60 games and has an aggressive style that is hard to deal with. The game would have to be extremely soft for me to take a seat on his right. He is one of the few guys that made a lot of money a few years ago and still puts in high volume at today's "high stakes".

3. Unguarded: Can't deny that this guy was absolutely destroying the games before black Friday. He is still the top winner at 10 20 FL(for now) in 2011 despite not playing since April. His game selection skills are excellent and he has an incredible win rate. I am glad he is gone and hope he does not come back.

Other notables:
Heisenb3rg: one of the best, his strategy posts take you to another level. He seems a bit too tilty and has trouble turning down bluff opportunities, but is good enough to take on any lineup.

omgzzz111: Great hand reader who has had a lot of success using a low showdown

Quaternion: Great hand reader who has had a lot of success using a high showdown

Thanks Spidey! I saw my name on your list and was like "Here come a bashing!" but no! You seem to be on quite a rampage yourself this year. So does this mean we are making up and can stop yelling at each other at the tables?