Your logic is so incredibly flawed i see no reason to respond.

If you want to cooperate from now its fine. Make your money off the fishes and be happy. Nobody cares as long as you do it fair. Personally i would prefer to forget about your existence.

On the other hand, if you want a war i'm fine with it too. It could be fun.

If you are going to write complaints about being harassed, well... it will backfire.

I mean, if they both want heads up and are both asking, does it really matter how much Jama won the day before?

so it's just totally accepted as standard practice that 5 regs are essentially colluding over skype to rape a single fish that might sit down?

No. As far as i know nobody on high stakes colludes via skype.

you said 8 guys were playing st1ck then talked about everyone on skype... then said"everyone won 2600" i mean, youd haveta be pretty stupid to try to tell the community that those guys were playing hard vs each other.
those 8 people had a huge advantage because they were obviously sharing info and dont say they werent lol, st1ckman u should email stars and have them look into all of it, stars can lookup what kinda program people use while on the pokerstars software and they might be at fault for potential"keyboard sharing" or "screensharing while at same table" sure it happens everyday

so they are all on skype together, but the collusion only goes as far as orchestrating this single empty seat thing? even if this were true, which i doubt, the whole thing is super sketchy.

You think that if jama and the others were actually colluding he would make this post in the first place? It's not even sketchy, really. Not that I think this was some amazing thing that HAD to be done, or anything, but I don't think you understand the state of affairs at mid-high online LHE if you make a post like this.

that isnt st1ckmans account , st1ckman has posted here multiple times before on sergey_rus.

Also, the best thing about this story was 8sups involvement, what a hero

I am not talking about whatever they did to stickman. I am talking about the fact that all the regs have a rule to keep the 6th seat open for a fish at the 250/500 table, and that they are all orchestrating this over skype. I mean, cmon. Really? It's super sketchy.

Yes i know about sergey_rus but im sure its a real stickman with a new SN.

How? This is what people already do, just not explicitly. It's not like they're colluding as they're playing.

Could we please have a St1ckman well, at least please let me know if my image of St1ckman is correct: 42 year old Math wizard who lives in a grummy apartment?

If there was a sign posted on the table that said, "The 5 players at this table all know each and are connected on skype and have agreed to keep an empty seat open for a fish. Feel free to seat yourself. They promise they will not collude during game play." Then there would be nothing sketchy about this. But there's not, and so you are essentially cheating anyone who is sitting down. I mean whatever, I am not saying I'm high and mighty and above doing something like this, but I think you should just call it what it is. And I think it's ironic that everyone who does this is all mad that stickman is even more of an angle shooter than they are.

How? How does this make the actual game play any less fair? Do you assume that regs in this case will softplay each other? Or that they will openly collude against the fish? I mean, even if all these regs WERE angle shooters, the fish is already the fish, there's no need to angle/cheat him anyway. Basically, if the bolded is true, then like 95+% of online high stakes LHE is "essentially cheating", as this phenomenon happens dozens of times a day across the sites, just without an explicit agreement. You're just wrong on this one, dude.

(I say this as someone who doesn't talk to anybody, reg or otherwise, before deciding to join a game, and I've never been on skype)

We'll have to agree to disagree then. The explicitness makes all the difference imo.

You can't possibly be this stupid

anyone who thinks people do not collude while its 8 buddies and 1 on a table or 5 on 1... is either a moron or paid off to say the game is honest... i really hope stars fins something sketchy and people get banned, itd bring so much justice... i cant guarantee but im aware with teamviewr you can take control of another persons mouse and that probbaly happens alot while they are playng

silliness ITT. Those guys are all already high stakes regs, they aren't taking control of each others mouses and they aren't colluding against fish. The 250/500 table 5 player thing is not so different than other agreed upon "rules" like both players asking for hu, playing or folding 2 hands when game is going to break and its 2 regs, agreeing to not be the third player in a game with a reg if they are playing a fish... etc

So altogether he lost $15,797 which is about $2,632 for everyone.

Himan promised to donate his share to charity.

^^^^ someone explain to me how this is honest... how can anyone with a brain really think its ok for 8 people to be sitting at the table together? AND sharing $$$ lol comon, you mean to tell me theres no"hey did you fold a Q when the boards QQx" gimme a flippin break

Dear Busto Asshat Railtard Donk:

Please don't try to analyze the things that happen inside a community about which you have no ****ing clue. Stick to posting about 1 dollar/2 dollar badugi and sports.

Thanks,
Elo

P.S. You are a ****ing idiot. Just so we're clear.

If you don't mind elaborating, why? In practice the result is certainly the same (as the gameplay is exactly the same). Is there some overarching principle that trumps everything else?

It's just what I said before. If a fish knew what was going on they would not sit. Implicitly, they are being misled. You can spin it any way you want, but the fact remains that if what was happening was public knowledge the fish would not be all right with it. Anyway, you asked so I answered but I really don't want to argue anymore, if you disagree with my point of view it's fine with me.

Cool, I won't ask you to argue with me any more, I will say though that I'm sure the "famous" fish (8sup, trip/kiki, eleco) are very well aware of this kind of stuff, and all seem perfectly fine with it. Maybe a random fish would not be ok with it.

ffs, they aren't playing on the same table vs stick in this, read the OP

I agree with this....

But, Ive played with these guys a ton, and im pretty convinced if they collude during gameplay, its extremly minimal. (the more talented of the euros least... not sure about the random party germans who I have no idea who they are)

I dont like the 5 person sitout rule at all.

What's to stop the 5 "euros" from idling their accoutns while they do other stuff AFK. Then when fishy sits, the player who is at their computer can send a txt message to get online...

Meanwhile the Canadian/Russian pros who arent in this social network have to be constnatly at there computers.. (However for some russians this isnt a problem)

I havent been playing past 2 months due to exam, but now that I have some free time to play, it might be an issue.