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05-03-2005, 09:35 AM
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#61
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adept
Join Date: May 2004
Location: nitsville
Posts: 995
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Re: EXCEL help
Send me a csv file with one line from your spreadsheet, plus the header line if there is one (or the whole thing if you want), and I will either figure out how to do it in Excel or write a perl program to do it.
EDIT: Ooops. Just got to the part of the thread where somneone else offered this. Well, let me know anyway if you want me to help.
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05-03-2005, 09:43 AM
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#62
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grinder
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 559
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Re: DERB
this player plays the 30 very well. i think his post flop play exploits the biggest mistake in poker (ones that cost the whole pot) of making people fold hands with significant equity. granted, this player seems to hit against me like crazy on the river after raise when behind on turn. he puts himself in a position to get lucky though and extracts a lot when he hits. can you give us a position by position winrate. i think that in the sample i have (around 30K hands of his) he's winning like .25 on button but losing utg and utg+1. i've seen this player go on -10K to -15K down streaks. I think he's just doing a great job of exploiting the weak tights. excellent use of position. and plays a high varience game.
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05-03-2005, 09:50 AM
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#63
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: New York
Posts: 5,117
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Re: DERB
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this player plays the 30 very well. i think his post flop play exploits the biggest mistake in poker (ones that cost the whole pot) of making people fold hands with significant equity. granted, this player seems to hit against me like crazy on the river after raise when behind on turn. he puts himself in a position to get lucky though and extracts a lot when he hits. can you give us a position by position winrate. i think that in the sample i have (around 30K hands of his) he's winning like .25 on button but losing utg and utg+1. i've seen this player go on -10K to -15K down streaks. I think he's just doing a great job of exploiting the weak tights. excellent use of position. and plays a high varience game.
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Well I don't think this guy is winning money from me. He is easily exploitable. What this says to me is that we should all stive to play like him against people that don't notice, and play like our TAG selves vs others.
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05-03-2005, 10:18 AM
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#64
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veteran
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 3,419
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Re: DERB
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this player plays the 30 very well. i think his post flop play exploits the biggest mistake in poker (ones that cost the whole pot) of making people fold hands with significant equity. granted, this player seems to hit against me like crazy on the river after raise when behind on turn. he puts himself in a position to get lucky though and extracts a lot when he hits. can you give us a position by position winrate. i think that in the sample i have (around 30K hands of his) he's winning like .25 on button but losing utg and utg+1. i've seen this player go on -10K to -15K down streaks. I think he's just doing a great job of exploiting the weak tights. excellent use of position. and plays a high varience game.
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agreed. don't have ptracker with me here. but he plays awesome in steal/defense situations, and with position.
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05-03-2005, 10:43 AM
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#65
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old hand
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 1,857
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Re: DERB
What's his W$WSF?
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05-03-2005, 11:34 AM
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#66
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old hand
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,601
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Re: A DERB hand *DELETED*
Umm, what's ridiculous is that it is the BB, not button, that is representing strength on the flop and turn, bascially turning his 7 face up. Since BB just called pre-flop, he could well have a 7 in his hand.
That being said, the turn raise isn't horrible, and while the cap is worse, it's not horrendous either, mainly because he likely has 10 outs, and if button keeps cold calling, he'd get 2:1 on his money with a 4:1 draw.
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05-03-2005, 11:44 AM
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#67
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veteran
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: QJo is not the new AQ
Posts: 2,277
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back to rec.gambling.poker?
Really now, is there any better way to discuss hands and improve your game?
So have fun with Russ G.
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05-03-2005, 12:06 PM
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#68
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: center of universe
Posts: 10,070
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Re: DERB
sounds like he read phil hellmuth's book.
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05-03-2005, 01:06 PM
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#69
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: May 2003
Location: @ThePokerBackers
Posts: 8,333
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Re: DERB
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Posting individual hands might also be enlightening.
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I'm bored enough:
Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (10 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter
Preflop: Hero is SB with A  , K  .
6 folds, CO raises, Button 3-bets, Hero caps, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls.
Flop: (13 SB) 5  , 4  , 2 (3 players)
Hero bets, CO folds, Button raises, Hero calls.
Turn: (8.50 BB) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.
River: (10.50 BB) T (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.
Final Pot: 10.50 BB
Results in white below:
Hero has Ah Kh (high card, ace).
Button has Ac Qh (high card, ace).
Outcome: Hero wins 10.50 BB.
BB is our idiot.
Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (10 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter
Preflop: Hero is CO with 5  , 2  .
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 3-bets, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 4 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.
Flop: (12.50 SB) 3  , A  , 3 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets, MP2 raises, BB 3-bets, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls.
Turn: (9.75 BB) 5 (2 players)
BB bets, MP2 calls.
River: (11.75 BB) 9 (2 players)
BB bets, MP2 calls.
Final Pot: 13.75 BB
Results in white below:
BB has Ah Jc (two pair, aces and threes).
MP2 has Ad Qd (two pair, aces and threes).
Outcome: MP2 wins 13.75 BB.
Idiot is UTG
Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (10 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter
Preflop: Hero is CO with K  , 5  .
UTG raises, 3 folds, MP2 3-bets, 4 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.
Flop: (9.50 SB) 3  , 6  , A (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets, BB folds, UTG raises, MP2 3-bets, UTG calls.
Turn: (7.75 BB) 8 (2 players)
UTG bets, MP2 raises, UTG calls.
River: (11.75 BB) 9 (2 players)
UTG bets, MP2 calls.
Final Pot: 13.75 BB
Results in white below:
UTG has Tc As (one pair, aces).
MP2 has Kc Ah (one pair, aces).
Outcome: MP2 wins 13.75 BB.
Idiot is MP3
Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T  , Q  .
UTG raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 3-bets, 3 folds, BB caps, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.
Flop: (16.50 SB) J  , 5  , 7 (4 players)
BB bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.
Turn: (10.25 BB) 6 (4 players)
BB bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.
River: (14.25 BB) T (4 players)
Converter error, he calls the river HU.
Final Pot: 14.25 BB
Results in white below:
BB has Ah Ad (one pair, aces).
UTG doesn't show.
MP1 doesn't show.
MP3 has As Kh (high card, ace).
Outcome: BB wins 14.25 BB.
There are tons of worse hands, then his raises UTG with 33 A5s etc, and i'm sure he doesn't win. He's the 1/1000 case, the rare disease, the lotto winner.
FWIW re: cheating, there are two other players who play the game reg with the same location as him but i doubt 1. they cheat since they play so different 2. our donkey is a donkey all the time and 3. they get accused of being cheats by every railbird on the site every single day.
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05-03-2005, 03:08 PM
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#70
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 4,801
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Re: AFTER THIS POST, I\'M FINISHED WITH 2+2.
Loud and clear?
I think there's an 80% chance he's running absurdly good, a 10% chance something is up, and a 10% chance he's running weak/tight players over and actually beating the game.
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05-03-2005, 03:20 PM
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#71
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Chip Spewer
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Spewin them chips
Posts: 15,813
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Re: AFTER THIS POST, I\'M FINISHED WITH 2+2.
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Loud and clear?
I think there's an 80% chance he's running absurdly good, a 10% chance something is up, and a 10% chance he's running weak/tight players over and actually beating the game.
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i knew what you were sayin, man.
we'll see what the pvalue of his run is soon...i sent the data to TimM for fixing, when i get it back the first thing i want to see is how likely it is for him to have run this well given all the other tens of thousands of players in the game's numbers....
then i'll go and disect his play stepwise controlled variable by controled variable.
yea, im a dork.
-Barron
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05-03-2005, 03:29 PM
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#72
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veteran
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Denmark
Posts: 2,349
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Re: AFTER THIS POST, I\'M FINISHED WITH 2+2.
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05-03-2005, 04:21 PM
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#73
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centurion
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: CA
Posts: 130
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Re: DERB
Does anyone know from their PT DB what his Sigma/100 hands is? It has to be higher than what most of us are used to.
Since I don't have the data I can't do any serious analysis, but we can wait for Cypher for that.
Just for the fun of it I calculated the probability of a break even player running this well or better over 80k hands.
Assuming 80k hands and a winrate of 3BB/100:
Sigma/100 ---- Probability
15 ----------- 7.7e-9
20 ----------- 1.1e-5
25 ----------- 3.4e-4
30 ----------- 2.3e-3
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05-03-2005, 04:29 PM
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#74
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Chip Spewer
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Spewin them chips
Posts: 15,813
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Re: DERB
Quote:
Does anyone know from their PT DB what his Sigma/100 hands is? It has to be higher than what most of us are used to.
Since I don't have the data I can't do any serious analysis, but we can wait for Cypher for that.
Just for the fun of it I calculated the probability of a break even player running this well or better over 80k hands.
Assuming 80k hands and a winrate of 3BB/100:
Sigma/100 ---- Probability
15 ----------- 7.7e-9
20 ----------- 1.1e-5
25 ----------- 3.4e-4
30 ----------- 2.3e-3
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so for all intents and purposes, even the high STDEV #s are 0% probability (.0023 is still pretty damn close to 0 and i dont even think he plays enough hands and is crazy enough to have a 30bb/100 st.dev...thats just hard to accomplish given the # of hands he plays. HOWEVER< it may make sense because the curve of st.dev (y) to # hands played aggressively (x) would look something like a less extreme right hand side of a parabola...something like y=.5*x^2. this is the case because of the incremental addition of each hand would add less to your variance if you are playing few hands because you're just not playing enough hands to even have a variance...but as you play more and more hands, each addition hand will add proportionally more to your variance than if you were playing fewer hands because NOW you're playing so many hands that the probability of being up or down large amounts increases substantially....)
well, ok, i've now convinced myself that he may actually have a st.dev well over 30bb/100...thats a huge st.dev....but it makes the probability of him running well fall within "reasonable" limits.
-Barron
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05-03-2005, 04:31 PM
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#75
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old hand
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 1,857
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Re: DERB
I'm clearly invisible, or is there a forum standard to not reply to any of my replies?
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