Hey guys,

Wondering what a good sustainable HU winrate bb/100 is for some of the better players out there. After 10k hands is it doable to average 15-20 bb/100?

not at limit holdem, no

it depends on your table selection, but around 4BB/100, not too far from that, I guess. never discussed it and don't know about other regs winrates

I happen to know a lot of HULHE pros, and I don't think any are pulling more than 3BB/100 long term, and those are the real bad asses. So hard to get games....

Cheers,

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Kahn

what do you call long term?

not a hu expert but i think 4-5BB = 8-10bb/100 should definitely be doable longterm. It would require being somewhat picky about your opponents though

Yeah but if you are that picky about your opponents these days you wont play any hands.

This question just totally depends on your game selection. If a player at the top of the HU food chain decided to only play people at the very bottom, then I think 10 BB/100 is possible but like Heisenberg pointed out, they wouldn't be playing very many hands. A very good player that's willing to play some stronger players but nobody really close to his skill level would likely be in the 4-5 BB/100 range but still wouldn't get a whole lot of hands in. And then a great HU player that takes on all comers is likely to be in the 1-2 BB/100 range.

Rake is also a huge factor in this.

Much better way of conveying what I was thinking


Cheers,

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Kahn

well, they should be pulling more than 3BB/100 long term then

Only if you are willing to play 3k hands a month against total droolers. If you want to put in any sort of volume, you won't achieve this long term because you will be playing better than the bottom 10% of opponents.


Cheers,

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Kahn

The thing is that if you are really really good, then only a few of the top dogs are willing to give you action these days. And those that do take on anyone are very very few and make up a rather small % of total potential action though a year. Every reg below the very top and above the poor regs tend to not want to play vs other very good regs. This is why i think that the "if u want 3BB winrate you wont get any hands" argument doesnt hold up. Sure they miss out on a lot of hands vs jesuslebtnot/ KPR or whatever, but yea i think you get the idea.

I know for a fact several guys are way above 3BB longterm for HU and they do basically take on anyone willing to play them at their respective stakes (mostly 10/20 - 100/200 range). So just based on this i can guarantee you 4BB is possible longterm as well for said expert player who is denying action only from the very very best of the 50/100+ crushers

Kahn, this is not true at all =\

100% agree

[QUOTE=cazj88;35052067]Kahn, this is not true at all =\

Well, I know guys sitting on half a dozen sites month after month who have this problem so... perhaps my sources of anecdotal evidence are having far different experiences than yours.... but I don't think a dozen guys are lying to me, nor do I think my research on the matter via other public and private databases is lacking.

Cheers,

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Kahn