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12-16-2016 , 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by tirtep
Is the flop an automatic call? Except MarathonMan7 everybody seems to think so.
Yes. It would take a solid read to do anything but call.
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12-22-2016 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by CrazyLond
Background: This game rarely goes here but I've been running well and had an opportunity to take a couple shots at it this weekend. This was the first time I've played a game this big: I felt like the money got in my head a bit and probably affected my play in some spots. In this particular hand, I am wondering if that may have been the case or if my decisions are close/not bad.

4 handed game:

I'm first and raise KJo, button folds, expert 3 bets from SB, BB folds, I call.

Flop: Q64 with 2 spades, I have the jack of spades.

He bets, I call.

Turn: Jx

He bets, I call with the intention to call blank rivers.

River: Ax

He bets, I fold.

I am thinking now I should raise this turn (or plan to raise blank rivers).

Also, I am wondering if I should call the river. My thought at the time was I have a lot of aces in my range that will be able to call or possibly raise. Now, I am wondering if I am high enough in my overall range that I just need to call.

Or maybe I'm just overthinking the whole thing. Either way, this forum could use some activity.
Could someone experienced please explain why not just pitch this hand at the flop? There are only 6 small bets in the pot, and you have nothing, maybe not even enough to beat a bluff.
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12-22-2016 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by purduecruiser
Could someone experienced please explain why not just pitch this hand at the flop? There are only 6 small bets in the pot, and you have nothing, maybe not even enough to beat a bluff.
1) there's 8; we're getting 8:1

2) we have much better folding candidates on the flop. T9s, T8s, JT, 98s, weaker Kx. Against a reasonable 3 bet range, we simply have way too much equity to fold immediately with our small amount of showdown value, backdoor straight draw and overcard.
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12-22-2016 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
1) there's 8; we're getting 8:1

2) we have much better folding candidates on the flop. T9s, T8s, JT, 98s, weaker Kx. Against a reasonable 3 bet range, we simply have way too much equity to fold immediately with our small amount of showdown value, backdoor straight draw and overcard.
You're right, I see it now; I counted neither the small blind nor the flop bet from the big blind.

I can't see calling this on the turn, though; the Jack is only second pair, and your opponent could very easily have a Queen in this situation. I can't see why calling was an option here, as it's really more or less a hand with only 3 outs. Pitching the hand there definitely seems reasonable to me unless there is strong evidence this person is bluffing. (in which case raising is the option, but definitely not a call)
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12-22-2016 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by purduecruiser
You're right, I see it now; I counted neither the small blind nor the flop bet from the big blind.

I can't see calling this on the turn, though; the Jack is only second pair, and your opponent could very easily have a Queen in this situation. I can't see why calling was an option here, as it's really more or less a hand with only 3 outs. Pitching the hand there definitely seems reasonable to me unless there is strong evidence this person is bluffing. (in which case raising is the option, but definitely not a call)
Given that our opponent should be value betting 77 here, folding KJ on the turn is borderline insane.
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12-23-2016 , 03:54 AM
Purdue you want to fold every hand in every thread I've seen you post in. How can you ever win? You don't make the nuts that often
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12-23-2016 , 09:06 AM
I re-read Purdue's post. If we're raising KJ, it's a value raise, not a bluff. What does raising KJ accomplish? Do better hands fold? (No). Do worse hands call? (Yes, sometimes).
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12-25-2016 , 12:16 AM
I'm pretty sure purdue is trolling.
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12-29-2016 , 12:35 PM
WTF you played 100/200?
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12-29-2016 , 06:08 PM
It seemed like a good idea at the time
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01-02-2017 , 06:59 AM
pre-turn look standard to me. don't think river matters. i got 12-13% equity on equilab.
would be nice to know what villain should be 2 barreling with vs what hero should be continuing with.

i think villain should be 2barreling at least 65% and 3barreling that full range on river minus kj and jts. think villain would be checking ak and at ott, but really think it's interesting how the underpairs should be played and how hero should react with the different parts of his range in the less frequent spots where villain c/'s.

fwiw if i'm hero i'm not really ever semi-bluffing when c/'d to or bet into, and i think villain could easily c/f any underpairs to exploit that.

i also think hero should delay all raises until river + might have better opportunity to have a few bluffs whether bet into or c/'ed to.

any comments would be appreciated.

Last edited by steveistheman84; 01-02-2017 at 07:08 AM.
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01-02-2017 , 07:15 AM
my thoughts now, are that hero should have some bluffs (only when c/'ed to). my guess would be any t9 or 7s8s, followed by river barrel.
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