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Old 12-02-2007, 07:41 PM   #1
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1-2 hand

im posting this partially out of spite for a poster who said i dont play 1-2 anymore.

full commerce 1-2 game, a few weak spots, nothing special really. i have a hand in the range of A high through K high that i feel compelled to 3 bet from the sb against a non-retarded opponent's button openraise. got that? button calls the reraise. heads up.

the flop is 965 rainbow, i bet, button calls.

the turn is an offsuit Q. i have no pair no draw and either K high or more likely A high. what's my best play and why?
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Old 12-02-2007, 08:54 PM   #2
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Re: 1-2 hand

Bet because the Q is a crappy card for him to continue calling down with ace high.
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Old 12-02-2007, 09:25 PM   #3
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Re: 1-2 hand

bet/fold.

bet and if he calls check the river since he is likely calling you down w/ A high or a pair he doesn't want to have you 3 bet on the turn w/ his free s'd raise.

Q is a great card for you to bet.

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Old 12-02-2007, 09:46 PM   #4
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Re: 1-2 hand

i have a feeling that the "correct" answer is going to be somethign else but i would bet this turn 100% of the time. there's too many hands he can peel the flop with that now have to fold.

checking and putting any more bets in at any point with your king high would be terrible, and since he's almost certainly betting at some point (unless he happens to have you beat with ace high), checking is 0 ev. since betting is > 0 ev, you have to bet.
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Old 12-02-2007, 09:53 PM   #5
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Re: 1-2 hand

I check/fold here a lot. Run me over.

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Old 12-02-2007, 10:02 PM   #6
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I check/fold here a lot. Run me over.

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what do you do on the river when it checks through (with king high)?
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Old 12-02-2007, 10:10 PM   #7
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I check/fold here a lot. Run me over.

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assume you are villian here.

you open in steal position and get 3 bet by mike l.

flop is 965 and you peel flop.

what is your range here?

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Old 12-02-2007, 11:40 PM   #8
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I check/fold here a lot. Run me over.

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Really? In this game I would think a bet would be paramount.
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Old 12-03-2007, 12:00 AM   #9
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I check/fold here a lot. Run me over.
agree, not really sure what everyone thinks betting accomplishes. A high is ahead of KT/KJ. K high is ahead of nothing. If they have like T7/T8 and they get us to fold then congrats

if you bet and you have K high then you must bet the river again as a bluff. if you have A high then c/f river if you bet turn i guess
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Old 12-03-2007, 12:19 AM   #10
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Re: 1-2 hand

follow up question: what the hell can button have here when he just calls that flop??
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Old 12-03-2007, 12:28 AM   #11
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Re: 1-2 hand

way too dependent on how they play. even at 1/2 live players are much more likely to call this flop with a pair than online player. same goes for gutshot. if button is actually good as opposed to just non-retarded then im expecting to get raised on the turn a lot bc i expect them to raise the flop so when they dont i am afraid.
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Old 12-03-2007, 12:32 AM   #12
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follow up question: what the hell can button have here when he just calls that flop??
any 2 overcards, any gutshot, a set, a straight, aces, kings. i'm probably missing a bunch.
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Old 12-03-2007, 12:52 AM   #13
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any 2 overcards, any gutshot, a set, a straight, aces, kings. i'm probably missing a bunch.
Yeah this would be my range except for take out the good hands. I'd definitely have a pair here sometimes to mix it up.

As far as the earlier question about what to do with king high on the river if the turn goes check/check, I would check/fold, run me over

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Old 12-03-2007, 12:59 AM   #14
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Re: 1-2 hand

at this point i suspect the button is good, that's what i meant by non-retarded
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Old 12-03-2007, 01:02 AM   #15
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ya i know what you meant but the point is theres a big diff between a "good" live player that is thinking and a winning player and a tough player that is actually good for real and imo a flop call can mean vvvvvvvvv different things depending on which type it is. however i think the answer should still be c/f turn bc the "good" player is more likely to have a pair and the good player is more likely to raise turn.
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