The bluff raise in HH1 is good but we should be shipping versus a reg

HH2, seems fine

HH3 without the bdfd I chf, I fold ott

@SB2,

HH1 -- Is hero's action on the river a bluff or for value? If a bluff, what hand or hands can V have that you are trying to get to fold?



@11t,

HH1 -- You're bluffing $1800'ish into $1000? What is this going to accomplish that betting ~ pot doesn't?

What hands is he calling $1000 ($750 more), but is folding to a shove?

Versus a reg who may have a calling range that is inelastic then when we have a hand which needs to bluff we should be over betting because we want to make the most $$$ with our bluffing/value range.

Now it is true that versus somebody who will never pick up on anything we could unbalance our range here, but that's a dumb idea at 5T+.

It isn't a f(x) of what to do with our specific hand in a vacuum but what's the best way to play our range and the reality is we just don't get to the river with many nf blockers so we should ship 100% of the 3 to 6 combos that we do.

These river spots with nut blockers are incredibly solved now. The EV is way way way higher shoving all your raises here and your AsX combos because the bigger the raise the more bluffs we can have and the more ev we gain. In theory we would want to ship any stack size up to infinite with out As blocker and our nut flushes. Especially in this spot where we only have 3 AsKx and 3 AsAx combos.


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welp, nl is officially dead/ easy to solve boys. wrap it up

That would depend heavily on whether the King (on the flop) is a club or a spade.

Cuz you expect flushes to find a fold here?

Yeah I definitely don't agree with the infinite comment, that's 100% wrong.

Fundamentally we should have a very well tuned array of bet sizes but that's impossible to do in game so it's better to have like well constructed 3 bins of bet sizes:

Under bets for 1/4 psb
2/3 psb
All ins up to 2x pot

More like I want villain to have a really really ****ing tough decision even if he has a flush

Also we just don't have that many nut flush blockers which changes a lot of things, like I'd recommend just not YOLO shipping every time you hand the nf blocker since at best you only have 10 combos of nut flushes and villains can be under repped and just not fold.

I expect villain in this situation to not have a K high flush since the general line with that hand is to check, I'd say he's weighted towards sets and calling a ship there is going to be tough.

Anyway rereading it villain almost never has a flush and has a straight so it's all you can eat all day.

These spots with nut blocker bluffs become the polar toy game. You can look at sauces videos, polks videos, Tiptons book, or crev these spots yourself. The larger you size the higher your ev is because they have to fold more. Dream crusher is right though the K being a spade or not matters if talking about huge overbet jams since there is a straight flush possibility when it's Kc, missed that when looking at it. Now we can obviously argue that people won't respond correctly to raises so some other size becomes optimal. If people are responding correctly though bigger=better


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There's alot of issues at play on river boards where we block the nuts/near nuts at how much we should raise. There is a functional difference between the perfectly calculated constructed ranges and how we should play because we are people.

The issue is solved because we aren't that deep and it's a clear ship given the # combos we have of flushes and blockers. Different situations where the variables are not equal are not the same.

I'd argue we should have 3 different bet sizes in HU pots.

I wasn't trying to say we should ship every nut blocker ever in every spot if that's how it came across. On this hand agree that it's 100% a jam.


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Honestly don't even know who's trolling who anymore but in a sea of geniuses your posts are always a breath of fresh air

All hands are unnessary spew.

Can you please just change that to "first 2 hands" and let me brag about my once in a blue moon huge hero that also turned out to be right k thnx <3

hahaha

but for real, the plays you're making aren't exactly horrible. and they certainly make for some good discussion. and they also make you very tough to play against.... but do all these moves 1. applicable to your games? 2. add a really significant, quantifiable amount to your win rate?

if they're both true then yeah in a way games are definitely very close to dead and it leads to the question of wouldn't your time be better served playing a different variant or stake? you know just hop in a plo game or even try and cultivate a mixed pl game and then you won't have to be shaving hairs and whatnot.

Yes, having a positive red line in live NLHE adds a very large $$$ to your winrate.

Most live fr tables you shouldn't have a positive red line. 6 max maybe but still probably not

reason:

Regardless, even if we are minimizing the bleeding, it helps alot.

I'm not saying battle for every pot and be a monkey, but plenty of situations present themselves where we should be bluffing.

Hand 1 seems line a very very clear case. Hand 2 is closer and I'd prefer a 2/3 psb.

Hand 3 seems awful.

Def no more money left in NL, everyone's solid

Hand 1, what are you doing with AK no spade?

I'm saying you can't have the best of both worlds.

Like if bluffing plenty makes up a very significant portion of your winrate in FR live (lol) it means you're playing in some crazy bad games, and you're also overestimating your edge with these bluffs considering this is one of the easiest, most elementary concepts ever introduced to mainstream poker- the concept of blockers- "so easy a caveman could do it"

But if you're playing good, soft games then making all these moves in FR live (lol) isn't applicable because you're going to be called way too often/ it would actually have an immediate negative effect on your bottom line.

Yes, these spots come up. Yes they can be profitable. Yes, certain spots are very profitable and basically unexploitable. But it's once in a very, very blue moon and tbh should not have a big % of your winrate- it's sort of like the cherry on top- the finishing touches/ strokes to a great piece of work that completes it/ gives it finesse, style. But a lot of HHs in threads ive seen makes me recall the "when all you have is a hammer" saying.

h1) I like raising river.. but probably raising bigger to 1.2k min
h2) looks good
h3) clear x/f OTT.

I would hope we are folding otr