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09-21-2012 , 06:16 AM
Hi everyone,

my name is Ohly, so far i have been a parttime lowstakes grinder at the heads up hyperturbo games on pokerstars. i just finished my master's degree in engineering and after buying an apartment together with my brother and moving out of my parent's house i need to start taking pioker seriously, considering i don't particularly like the idea of looking for a job atm.

my main problem: i am not moving up! although i never depended on the income poker provided, i was stuck at 15s with occasionally (successfully, that's the weird part) grinding the 30s.

i have a solid EV roi over a large sample at the 15s, so even i am convinced myself that i am burning money by not moving up. the main problem is that although i know what proper brm is, i never stick to the rules i set up for myself.

i hope this thread will help me stick to the new rule i now decided on: move up after making 30 BI at the current level and stick to that rule until i reach the 60s. i never played higher than 60s, so taking a break there and sticking to that level for the moment sounds reasonable to me.

i will start with 15s and my initial goal will be to make 30BI this month at those stakes, so that next month i can hopefully exclusively grind 30$+ stakes. i know i will depend on luck to reach such a short term goal, but if things don't go my way i want to adjust my volume properly.


TLDR cliffs: ohly is a bankroll nit, hopes to get support here so that he sticks to BRM. will start at 15$ HU hyperturbos and move up every 30BI.


GOGOGO, will post session review later, hopefully also some interesting HH!
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09-21-2012 , 06:24 AM
glgl
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09-21-2012 , 06:42 AM
Hope you best mate!! Good luck with a challenge! And don't be a BR nit, if your a wining player and can beat higher levels you are very right saying you burning money ! : Will follow your progress!

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09-21-2012 , 06:54 AM
Gogogo! Gl man.

You're losing your potential at 15s
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09-21-2012 , 06:55 AM
gl, hope u smash it
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09-21-2012 , 07:02 AM
I've always wondered why you don't play higher stakes. Based on your strategy posts & hand analysis it's pretty clear that lack of technical skill is not the reason.

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Some of the most important poker decisions are out-of-game decisions. They can cost players tons of money.
It's not just degenerates, but nits too:

Player 1: Goes on monkey tilt, spews off 100k to Skai
Player 2: Massive winner at 100s, too scared/comfortable to move up, loses 100k in expectation.

- Is there much of a difference?
Mersenneary

Good luck with your challenge!
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09-21-2012 , 07:07 AM
gl ohly!!!
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09-21-2012 , 07:53 AM
any reg reading 2+2 won't sit you imo (i won't). i think you got that going for you.

gl!
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09-21-2012 , 08:00 AM
wow, so much feedback, thank you all so much
first session was already a rough one, 10 BI under EV in 50 games, will start another one soon and post a graph afterwards.

please let me know how i can make this worthwhile reading. i know many of you are around my skilllevel and above, so i don't want to be a smartmouth by telling you strategy you already know, but i also want to keep this interesting
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09-21-2012 , 08:03 AM
^^

wouldnt mind you smartmouthing. im below
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09-21-2012 , 08:26 AM
I think if you post updates regularly it will become a successful thread, and i'll be reading it
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09-21-2012 , 09:41 AM
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I think if you post updates regularly it will become a successful thread, and i'll be reading it
will do, sir, thanks for following!

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Originally Posted by Malah
any reg reading 2+2 won't sit you imo (i won't). i think you got that going for you.
i hope so, i plan on discussing reg action here, would be pretty bad if my opposition could just read my adjustments here
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09-21-2012 , 10:09 AM
Subscribed, gl, saw your graph in other thread for $15s and seems crazy you're not already playing like $60s/$100s.


To keep it interesting just post some fun hands/unconvential lines you took due to in game adjustments and regular updates.
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09-21-2012 , 10:24 AM
A brief history of your poker career to date (incl graphs) would be good.

Also, will you mention your starting BR or simply start from 0 profit/loss and move up at $450 profit etc etc?

What do you want us as an audience to do to help you achieve your goals?
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09-21-2012 , 10:42 AM
wow, i def thought u played u played higher than 15s with your strat posts, gl man im sure you'll be crushing 30s/60s soon enough
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09-21-2012 , 11:34 AM
Good luck Ohly. I think not playing 60s is a mistake. If you arent comfortable with swings you can easily find a backer. Also when you have such a high ev roi you can negotiate a much more favorable profit split than standard.
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09-21-2012 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 147_star
A brief history of your poker career to date (incl graphs) would be good.
i started like almost everyone with home games with friends, quickly i got fascinated enough to start playing online at pokerstars. i started out with 2NL FR and made it to 50NL 6 max, but it got too boring for me, heads up always seemed more fascinating because of the complexity that arises due to high vpip of both players.

pokerstars didn't offer micro stakes heads up, so i started grinding husngs. 4 man turbos seemed the most appealing due to having the same rake as the 2mans and a very fishy player pool. but even back then i struggled with moving up although i had promising results, more than 30% roi at the 11$ 4 mans over a big sample. then hypers came and i found them suited to my abilities, i was a mediocre postflop player at that time and probably still am.

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Also, will you mention your starting BR or simply start from 0 profit/loss and move up at $450 profit etc etc?
yeah, the latter, i have waaay more than i need to play 15s, but i will also be cashing out a bunch to cover living expenses, so it's rather complitated. i'll just move up to 30s when i have won 450 at the 15s and basically never move down to 7s.

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What do you want us as an audience to do to help you achieve your goals?
stay the fk away from my lobbies

well, any form of active participation will help keep me motivated, but i see that as my responsibility as it comes along with keeping this thread interesting


@ all the comments about me not moving up:
of course you are right to a huge degree, but some thing that is often not considered and covered in well written form by phil galfond (http://www.philgalfond.com/poker-and-your-life/) is that we as poker players should not strive for the highest money expectation, but the highest utility of our playing time. that means that making 25/hr at the 15s and enjoying the game is worth much more than making 40/hr at the 60s and having a stressful time, hating poker and life to some extent. additionally, the more fun it is, the more hours you will be able to put in.

of course i am overdoing it, i could enjoy poker as much or even more and make more money at the 30s-60s if i were able to ignore the enhanced pressure, but i don't think it is universally right to say people should maximize their $ expectation.

i finished up my 100 games for the day, but unfortunately i have no time to summarize the day appropriately now. i will catch up tomorrow morning with a daily graph and a "hand of the day" discussion, where i want to articulate my thought process about a hand i am not sure about. hopefully this will lead to some fruitful discussions that help me and others

good luck and thanks again for the feedback so far!
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09-21-2012 , 12:42 PM
GL

I wish u move up to 60's fast so I don't run in to u at 15's
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09-21-2012 , 01:00 PM
GL looking forward to reading this thread.
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09-21-2012 , 01:30 PM
GL- I've seen u in lobbies etc though don't think we played- but your posts on 2p2 helped me a lot
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09-21-2012 , 02:01 PM
gl
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09-21-2012 , 02:35 PM
GL

I hope you will move up to 30s before I move up to 15s
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09-21-2012 , 02:46 PM
Wish you GL Ohly, I am in the same boat, also on the verge to 60's, nitting it up and level when I feel 100% condifent .
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09-21-2012 , 03:06 PM
Gl.
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09-21-2012 , 03:35 PM
I think one thing that will help you a ton is flat out ignoring your EV line for a long time and just doing raw HH reviews to see if you're making mistakes.

You tend to bring up EV/redline stuff in a lot of your posts and it may distract you from actually improving your play.

My 2cents, good luck.
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