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View Poll Results: SO WHAT DO YOU THINK IS A REALISTIC ANNUAL EARNING OF AN "A" PLAYER GRINDING $1/$2NLHE?
LESS THAN $22K
392 12.64%
$22K TO $28K
453 14.60%
$28K TO $34K
505 16.28%
$34K TO $40K
528 17.02%
$40K TO $46K
295 9.51%
MORE THAN $46K
929 29.95%

01-08-2017 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by LiveAction
Call me scared if you want, but we are getting a correct price to call turn. It's true that CO's ranged is capped in this spot. He almost never shows up with the nuts here, but neither do we. Seems to me that nearly everything said of CO's hand strength could also be said of our own. Trying to rep A♥️10♥️ By chk/shoving the turn strikes me as extremely high risk.

There's a lot of money behind ott. If we actually held A♥️10♥️, would we play the turn this way? Why would we want to push all that money out of the pot holding the absolute nuts? We wouldn't, would we? I think we call the $160 more, hope BB jams and CO comes over the top. If BB jams and CO flats, we open shove riv. Or, maybe go for chk/raise otr, if we are relatively sure that CO won't check back rivs.

To me, the problem with chk/shoving turn is that A♥️10♥️ only represents 1 combo from our range. We could, and usually will, show up here with a lot worse than the nuts. For example, all of our A♥️X♥️ Hands that are fishing for that ♥️. What's more, the A♥️10♥️ is the one combo that we would prob never take a chk/shove line with ott.

All things considered, we are getting the right price to call the turn and play rivs. Why not just take the price? Our only concern is BB shoving turn and CO reshoving, but if it happens, so what? We take the $250 loss and muck. It sucks, but in my opinion, it's preferable to jamming turn, getting called and showing down A-high for -$1300.

Guess it depends on how many folds you think you can get from CO. You know him better than I, but if CO is the guy I'm thinking it may be, he's prob gonna put you on A♥️X♥️ and call it off with a decent pair or better.
Not sure why you're so dead-set on AThh, you don't have to have the nuts with the stones redraw, this isn't PLO and there's alot of value in many other hands, I don't think he's just trying to rep AThh or that it would be the only hand in villain's mind. His shove has a ton of fold equity against villain, knowing the opponent I almost like a call and checking the river when getting there, villain loves to bet and attempts to win every pot.
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01-08-2017 , 01:12 PM
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Not sure why you're so dead-set on AThh, you don't have to have the nuts with the stones redraw, this isn't PLO and there's alot of value in many other hands, I don't think he's just trying to rep AThh or that it would be the only hand in villain's mind. His shove has a ton of fold equity against villain, knowing the opponent I almost like a call and checking the river when getting there, villain loves to bet and attempts to win every pot.
My mind is on A♥️10♥️ Because on this board, I don't see us chk/calling many of our value hands. I believe we chk/raise flop if we had 2-pair or pair with combo draw. I think when we chk/call flop, it removes a lot, if not all, 2-pair or single pair with combo draw hands from our range. A♥️10♥️ Is about the only value hand I believe we can hold that chk/calls flop.
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01-08-2017 , 05:51 PM
I was also thinking shove for same reasons BS stated. It's true V can read us for a similar line but will have a hard time calling off <2-1 unless at the top of their range or super loose/spewy.
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01-08-2017 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ButterflySymmetry
Brain Surgeon check/raises the turn and action on me...

my first thought was get it in, but thought for a couple minutes before risking nearly all my January winnings on this one move.
2 minutes pass, and i told myself this is the most correct play and I can't think about my profits. When it comes to poker, u can't think how much ur up or down, u just gotta make the best plays at the time, money aside.

In the most calm voice, announced "I'm all-in."

It was weird though, I felt uber comfortable and most assured he would fold. I wasn't too worried, but also knew of the big risk.

What led my decision making:
•he didn't raise pre on his straddle, so I cd pretty much eliminate all strong hands. JJ, QQ, KK for all flopped sets, and AK for top pair and straight draw.
•Other hands I think Brain Surgeon wd raise straddle w is A10 for broadway straight, so eliminated that hand
•Maybe he raises straddle pre w KQ KJ QJ for 2 pairs, and very possible he just checks too. So ???

So 2 pairs were likely w Brain Surgeon and even more likely turned a crappy 2 pair w K4, Q4, J4, BUT if so, wd he really take the chance of checking turn in late position w just one player behind him on a wet board???? Seemed like he wd bet there not wanting to risk another wet river card (10,A, or counterfeit 2 pairs), and losing lots of value. Same is said w 9 10.

The shove just seemed like that optimal spot I was waiting for. And, if I was wrong, my back up plan was smashing the river .

Dealer announces, "player is all-in for $1300ish"
Action, back on Brain Surgeon...

Results tomorrow.
BB folds, and now Brain Surgeon contemplates his decision.

I was expecting a fairly quick fold, so maybe he is a little stronger than I thought .
I still think my line reps way more strength than his peculiar line, and he hasn't said call just yet.
As he ponders his move, he stares me down. I never know how to act whether i'm bluffing or want a call, so usually I just sit there much like i'm practicing for the next #mannequinchallenge.

Then the Surgeon goes from eyeing me down, back to looking at his cards. He has his cards in a way like he is reading a book to a kindergarten class. The further his arm stretch out in front of him the more its looking like a fold. Towards the end of his storytelling, he shows the class a picture. He rotates a card and shows top pair. As the suspense sets in, I try my best not to gulp and break mannequin code. Finally, my eyes follow the path of those 2 cards flying through the air right into the muck.

It was poetry in slow motion.

...The End
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01-08-2017 , 09:16 PM
there was $210 in the pot on the turn
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01-08-2017 , 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by day'n'night
there was $210 in the pot on the turn
u r correct. $210 heading to the turn (not $310).
Thus, $530 pot (not $630) when I decided to shove.

I graduated w mathematics degree, and I still can't add.
It's what happens when I try to rush through these things w screaming kids running rampant.

Gd catch @day'n'night.
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01-08-2017 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ButterflySymmetry
u r correct. $210 heading to the turn (not $310).
Thus, $530 pot (not $630) when I decided to shove.

I graduated w mathematics degree, and I still can't add.
It's what happens when I try to rush through these things w screaming kids running rampant.

Gd catch @day'n'night.
Your missing good action right now according to bravo, put the wife and children to bed and go looking for dinner.
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01-08-2017 , 09:54 PM
On another note, I had my first losing day this weekend.
I wanna try harder this year to put in the work, log more hours, and really tackle this $40k once and for good. With that said, I decided to put in a small sesh before my daughter's 6th birthday party. Trust me when I say, I which I cd hv just grinded right through that party. The eleven 5 & 6 years old running crazy throughout the house took 5 years off my life.

3 hours of grind and lose -$123. Then lost my sanity at the Dory themed party.

The sesh started off w bad vibes when the dealer made me post the big bling just as I start to unrack my chips. Prior to her dealing the cards out, i asked if I cd just wait for it to pass and come in behind. She said u will still hv to post, and at this point i'm trying to bite my tongue.
I've had so many minor altercations w HSI over stuff like this, and I'm trying not to be "that guy" anymore. But when my money is involved it's always hard for me just to let things go.

HSI's rule on this: if u take ur seat in the bb and chips on the table u must post bb. I know in many places u hv the option to let the button pass and then get in free. Why HSI chooses to make things so difficult when it can be so easily appeasing to all is such absurdity to me. Just put that on the list of #147.

So even though my chips are still in the rack sitting on the table, but no chips touching the table, the dealer wants me to post. She starts to get vocal and tempered, so without making a big deal out of it, i just cave and comply.
Choose ur battles right?
*Why any dealer wd not want to cater to a player in this meaningless regard is beyond me. ESPECIALLY, when they receive tips from those players. It's lol, lmao, and rofl all in one. #Typical #HSI.

What's petty to some is not to others. This is one of those examples.

Feel free to lmk what u think of this. Mayb it's douchey of me, but why is this even a rule when it effects no one? Let the player come in behind. Am I missing something? Who is it hurting?
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01-08-2017 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by LiveActionPro
Your missing good action right now according to bravo, put the wife and children to bed and go looking for dinner.
It's all because of another promo that I'm not a big fan of. $500 splash on one table every hour. I MUCH rather see $100 splash on 5 tables every hour! It wd b A WHOLE LOT BETTER ACTION.

W this $500 splash promo, people show up, buy-in short and hope to get it in and gamble on the 10% (10 tables on avg Sun) chance their table is drawn.
Once table is drawn players that win usually rack up, other players go broke, and it's back to $100 stacks. While other tables just wait and fold until the next hour rolls over.

Not as gd action as u may think.
I played the last 2 Sundays and it was nittville. Even 1/2/ms was kind of crappy.
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01-08-2017 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ButterflySymmetry
It's all because of another promo that I'm not a big fan of. $500 splash on one table every hour. I MUCH rather see $100 splash on 5 tables every hour! It wd b A WHOLE LOT BETTER ACTION.

W this $500 splash promo, people show up, buy-in short and hope to get it in and gamble on the 10% (10 tables on avg Sun) chance their table is drawn.
Once table is drawn players that win usually rack up, other players go broke, and it's back to $100 stacks. While other tables just wait and fold until the next hour rolls over.

Not as gd action as u may think.
I played the last 2 Sundays and it was nittville. Even 1/2/ms was kind of crappy.
Very good point. Really wish you would come to lex and give my game a shot. Let me know if your ever free Monday or Wednesday nights. It's 1-2 NL usually with a 10 rock. About 45 to 75 preflop.
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01-09-2017 , 10:52 AM
That sounds like Tilly
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01-09-2017 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by CallyGal
That sounds like Tilly
Lol that's who popped in my head too
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01-10-2017 , 03:08 AM
100% Tilly
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01-10-2017 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ButterflySymmetry
On another note, I had my first losing day this weekend.
I wanna try harder this year to put in the work, log more hours, and really tackle this $40k once and for good. With that said, I decided to put in a small sesh before my daughter's 6th birthday party. Trust me when I say, I which I cd hv just grinded right through that party. The eleven 5 & 6 years old running crazy throughout the house took 5 years off my life.

3 hours of grind and lose -$123. Then lost my sanity at the Dory themed party.

The sesh started off w bad vibes when the dealer made me post the big bling just as I start to unrack my chips. Prior to her dealing the cards out, i asked if I cd just wait for it to pass and come in behind. She said u will still hv to post, and at this point i'm trying to bite my tongue.
I've had so many minor altercations w HSI over stuff like this, and I'm trying not to be "that guy" anymore. But when my money is involved it's always hard for me just to let things go.

HSI's rule on this: if u take ur seat in the bb and chips on the table u must post bb. I know in many places u hv the option to let the button pass and then get in free. Why HSI chooses to make things so difficult when it can be so easily appeasing to all is such absurdity to me. Just put that on the list of #147.

So even though my chips are still in the rack sitting on the table, but no chips touching the table, the dealer wants me to post. She starts to get vocal and tempered, so without making a big deal out of it, i just cave and comply.
Choose ur battles right?
*Why any dealer wd not want to cater to a player in this meaningless regard is beyond me. ESPECIALLY, when they receive tips from those players. It's lol, lmao, and rofl all in one. #Typical #HSI.

What's petty to some is not to others. This is one of those examples.

Feel free to lmk what u think of this. Mayb it's douchey of me, but why is this even a rule when it effects no one? Let the player come in behind. Am I missing something? Who is it hurting?
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So w following protocol...





*gonna post more pics this year because illustrations matter.
Yep no big deal, you know where to save your next $3 in tips from. Easy Peasy
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01-10-2017 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ButterflySymmetry

Feel free to lmk what u think of this. Mayb it's douchey of me, but why is this even a rule when it effects no one? Let the player come in behind. Am I missing something? Who is it hurting?
Funny you should say this because I played there (HSI) on Dec 30th, a guy comes to fill an empty seat, chips in hand sets the rack on the table and the dealer asks "Do you want to post or wait for it to pass?" and he would have been the big blind. He said he would wait...took off his coat and went to get a drink or something. I thought it was weird but I didn't care and since they don't require you to post when you join the game...who really cares? Even if they did make you post, you might as well wait and at least get position when you put your money in. As with most things there, it depends on your dealer.
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01-10-2017 , 09:09 PM
As always, I appreciate all the posts and keeping this thing interactive. At times, I feel like i post and wonder if anyone is on the other end. Although, it doesn't stop me because I just to continue to write as if it's my diary.
So if u been lurking, feel free to join in. I truly enjoy reading from everyone.
Thanks again.

Now for today's GOOD BAD & UGLY


THE GOOD:
The bulldozer didn't run me over today when I picked up that penny stock in front of it. . It actually dumped $5,614 on top of my head when ENPH gained 30% after hours.
I had a crap load on that stock and took some profits after market. Thank gdness for RH Gold and being able to sell after hours (ah).
BABA looking gd too! In @ 87.13 for heaps on that one.
Currently back in 40k club. $45,343 to be exact.



That vertical line ^ u see is ENPH ah. Helllllo Spike. How u doin

THE BAD:
Had the stress test done this morning, and sheesh those test are expensive. From the ER last week to stress test today, I already met my out of pocket limit on my insurance.
I kind of knew I wd b getting these test done at the beginning of the year. Hence, the reason I signed up for insurance w the lowest out of pocket last month.
U may not know but, Sara's work no longer accepts domestic partners on her insurance, so I had to shop for some plans. U may not know this either, but poker players don't recieve any benefits. I know, shocking .
Therefore, got signed up w Anthem last month and my insurance kicked in on Jan 1st. Now that I met my oop, I'm free rolling the rest of the year. Heck, might as well go to dermatologist now and get my skin tested. After that, I guess I can find some other procedures I can do for free.
Anyways, I'll know more on heart related issues once Cardiologist reads the test. Feeling better, but just taking precautions.

THE UGLY:
After my Doc visit, I headed to get the grind on. I was up $276 dollars at the high point today, but cashed out +PeytonManning.
Yep, eight flipping teen.
(+$388 yesterday)
Closing in on that 3rd orange.

I think i typed enough. Gotta go change my son's dirty diaper, then beat my 2 girls in UNO Attack.
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01-10-2017 , 10:11 PM
Wish you and your family all the best for the year ahead.

Inspiring to see you balance poker and family life so well.

When's your next Vegas trip (if you're doing one that is)?
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01-11-2017 , 08:38 AM
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Wish you and your family all the best for the year ahead.

Inspiring to see you balance poker and family life so well.

When's your next Vegas trip (if you're doing one that is)?
Thank u for the kind words. Wish u the same. It's always been fam life > everything else, but it's hard because I hv to pay the bills. It's a lot of sacrifice and give and take, but if I can somehow balance all of these it can be rewarding.

No planned trips to Vegas, but I do hv a couple people pulling my arm to get me there this summer. The fact is, w the $40k I hv no reason to go to Vegas unless I decide to play a tourney. I'm leaning towards no tourneys this year, but as summer rolls around I know that Monster stack will be trying to pull my other arm. 30/70 no at the moment.

Currently: just got the kiddos on the bus, and now feeding the boy a bottle. Looking at the premarket, and then gonna grind the stocks til 4p, then go grind the felt.
Have a blessed day. Lg
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01-11-2017 , 10:22 AM
Thoroughly enjoy your journey my man. Your a great father and family man

Good luck! I'm on the same grind but part time. Trying to earn enough for a large down payment on a refi to get rid of
Our PMI. So I have goals this year too.

My New Years resolution is table
Selection not stake selection. Before I used to sit 2/5 no matter tr lineup. But now if the lineup is all regs/pros I'm sitting 1/2. The game is super soft.
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01-11-2017 , 12:05 PM
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Thoroughly enjoy your journey my man. Your a great father and family man

Good luck! I'm on the same grind but part time. Trying to earn enough for a large down payment on a refi to get rid of
Our PMI. So I have goals this year too.

My New Years resolution is table
Selection not stake selection. Before I used to sit 2/5 no matter tr lineup. But now if the lineup is all regs/pros I'm sitting 1/2. The game is super soft.
Thank u. I was raised by great parents. A loving mother who was always supportive, and made me realize that no dream is too big. A father who was hard working, yet still made the time to hit me fly balls and throw bp. Both instilled faith, respect everyone, and that nothing comes easy. If I can b half of what they were to me, I'd be doing alright.
Also, let me say, many gv me more credit than I may deserve. I'm human, I fall short many of times. I say things I prob shdnt say, I do things I prob shdn't do. I'm not perfect, but I try to be the best flawed man I can be.

Thanks for posting. I do enjoy reading about others goals. Believe it or not, when I hear others putting in the work to succeed; it refuels me too. So thank u for sharing! My vibe is, u hv a gd head on ur shoulders that's taking the necessary steps to improve areas in your life. Stay that course! Don't gv up, it's a marathon not a sprint. Gl
I heard a quote somewhere recently that I used in a tweet. It fits here,
"Champions don't wait on gd things to happen, they make things happen."
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01-11-2017 , 04:34 PM
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Trying to earn enough for a large down payment on a refi to get rid of
Our PMI. So I have goals this year too.
I forgot to say how scammy pmi is. If u can get rid of that asap, u shd. It sucks paying that extra $ amount every month when it does nothing for u (only protects the lender). I believe if u hv 20% paid off (or owe less than 80% of house value) then this pmi can b waived. May need to pay for an appraisal, but wd b worth biting the bullet paying the $400-$800 on appraisal and save the extra $100-$200 pmi/month that u wd b paying for the length of ur loan. (Prices vary)
Best of luck.

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01-11-2017 , 04:46 PM
I can empathize on the HC costs BS. My wife and I are both self-employed and had to upgrade to a significant Anthem plan w/ one on the way. Poker is an ancillary income for me but regardless, I have no benefits and/or safety net of any kind. You seem to have great bankroll management and a solid head on your shoulders but these types of recurring costs aren't given enough attention on 2+2 imo. Keep up the good work and best of luck in your $40k, '17 challenge!
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01-11-2017 , 05:46 PM
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I forgot to say how scammy pmi is. If u can get rid of that asap, u shd. It sucks paying that extra $ amount every month when it does nothing for u (only protects the lender). I believe if u hv 20% paid off (or owe less than 80% of house value) then this pmi can b waived. May need to pay for an appraisal, but wd b worth biting the bullet paying the $400-$800 on appraisal and save the extra $100-$200 pmi/month that u wd b paying for the length of ur loan. (Prices vary)
Best of luck.


Thanks again! And I agree with pmi. Problem with our mortgage is we have to get an appraisal AND refi which entails closing costs so the money down will ease that. Poker fortunately is my secondary income so I can do it slowly. I always use it to make large purchases that we wouldn't otherwise be able to do (riding mower, irrigation system, this pmi thing)

I use your thread as motivation as well. I see a lot of you in me. So I am in your corner no doubt!!

Even if I don't post a lot I am following daily.

B
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01-11-2017 , 10:36 PM
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I can empathize on the HC costs BS. My wife and I are both self-employed and had to upgrade to a significant Anthem plan w/ one on the way. Poker is an ancillary income for me but regardless, I have no benefits and/or safety net of any kind. You seem to have great bankroll management and a solid head on your shoulders but these types of recurring costs aren't given enough attention on 2+2 imo. Keep up the good work and best of luck in your $40k, '17 challenge!
Congrats on the one on the way!

Playing poker for a living has a lot of advantages, but one of the downsides is no benefits or 401. To me, it's not a big concern though. It's not like most companies aren't taking it out of one's paycheck anyways. So one way or another we are paying for it. Grant it, its prob much cheaper w an employer, but if ur responsible u take those matter in your own hands and be in control of everything.

Their were many years in my past where I rolled the dice going uninsured. But as I get older, I think it's something I'm gonna need more.

Thanks for the encouraging words, and hope we can all crush 2017!
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01-11-2017 , 10:42 PM
We got that 3rd orange tonight. +$203
It may be time soon to open back up that safety deposit box. Perhaps in February we make that a priority. For now, I'll just let them chill in my wallet.



Still slacking on the hours, and I already know this is gonna be a ongoing battle.
I just can't get comfortable playing long hours. I feel I'm at my best playing 4 to 5 hours.
Total hours thus far, 43.

On the hunt now for the grey beauty.
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