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Old 06-22-2012, 09:27 AM   #286
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Re: Re-building my tilted off roll - from $30 up to $1000

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Tilt is destroying my game.

I used to be a reasonable player. 6 months ago, i was beating 50nl for 7bb/100 over about 30k hands. Now, i can’t beat 10nl.

Since my last post a few days ago, i’ve dropped about 6BI, so my starting roll on Stars of $160 is now down to $100.

Ok, i’ll get the rant off my chest first. I’m not running bad, i’m running like a one-legged donkey that has its one and only leg shoved up its own a**. I’m about 10BI below EV since i joined Stars (only 8-9k hands), and that doesn’t take into consideration the set over sets, and the times i’ve got the money in dead on the river after they’ve hit a truly astonishing runner runner (normally when i’ve got top set) with a hand that should never have seen the flop, never mind the river. I’ve had more pre-flop coolers than i can count, and when they have called a shove pre, i’ve had my AA/KK cracked by hands like 108, K9 and A4.

I’ve played several million hands online since i started playing the game, so i know this recent run is over a tiny sample and these runs don’t last for ever – it’s variance, blah blah blah, and at some point i’ll be able to win a hand again.

Trouble is, it’s got to the stage now where my tilt won’t let me grind through a run like this with minimal losses and wait for the deck to turn back in my favour. I tilt now when i lose a 10bb pot because some idiot floats my cbet with nothing and takes the pot with Q high after my flush draw busts. It takes literally nothing to put me on tilt. One hand. One small, standard, completely typical hand, and i’m off, and totally unable to play my normal game.

I’m at a loss. Do i drop back to 2nl and try to grind this back up? Do i nit up massively pre and wait til i have the nuts before i put any money into the pot? I know most people will say it sounds like a need a break from the game – the tables will still be there after a few days. But really, we all love this game and we all know what it’s like. You don’t want to have a few days away from it. If you have the chance to play, you want to play, even if you’re running like a dog, because it’s the thing you most want to do with your spare time.

So, I’ve been wondering whether to play some heads up instead of 6 max. I think part of my problem stems from the fact that if i only play 2-3 tables of 6 max(to stay in control, to give myself time to think and breathe), i get bored, and load up more. Then i’ll be playing 8-10 tables, unable to get proper reads or make considered decisions, and just auto-piloting. Then i’ll make a couple of mistakes because of this, or i’ll lose a big pot on two tables in quick succession, and that’s it ... i put my spew monkey hat on, and away i tilt.

I’m thinking that if i play one table of HU, i can concentrate properly on it, hopefully have time to take a deep breath if i lose a hand before i tilt, and make better decisions. It should also help with the main thing i need to improve about my game – hand reading. I feel like my hand reading hasn’t improved for a long time. I’ve played so many hands that i can know generically what to do in most spots, but the subtleties against a particular villain’s range are lost because i’m not even bothering to think about a villain-specific range, just a standard range that the majority of villains would have in that spot. So perhaps playing some HU will address this. And just maybe, if i’m making considered decisions, i might not tilt.

I’ve had a look, but the lowest HU tables on Stars (or Party where i used to play) are 50nl. I don’t want to step straight in to that level without ever having played HU before. So the other option is HU sit n gos, which go from $1.50 up on Stars. That’s not ideal, because i don’t like the whole robotic push/fold situations that arise late in sit n gos, but it will at least give me some experience of HU. So i may try some HU sit n gos. Or i may drop down to 2nl and see how quickly i can drag my roll back up. One thing i’m not doing – i’m NOT redepositing. If i can’t make this roll last at the very lowest stakes, i have no business being on the tables at all.

Lunchtime session coming up later. Will post an update.

GL at the tables.

I have had the same problems with tilt in the past, but it was more due to the fact I was more interested in winning $, as a source of freedom without proving to be a winner.

I played with an expectation to win in the short term, and when I was given evidence counter to such a premise, I go on tilt, it is a typical human behaviour, and a good one at that. If I set an expectation that I am a winning player, and I lose than this is a good cause to go on "tilt" and evaluate whats going on.

Either :

(1) Small Sample
(2) You play on UB/AP with super users
(3) You have major leaks
(4) You were never a winner to being with (I played 400k hands, but I was still a loser.)
(5) You are winner but when you drop from you A game, you start losing

Either way when you get on tilt, what is the use in making posts (I use to do the same) about how you run so bad, playing microstakes, which is very low variance compared to higher games.

Instead take the time to review your hand histories, and see spots where you can improve.

For example at first I would get reshove AA/KK to flop check/raise. Than I realized that they are either bluffing, have a weak hand (like a underpair/bottom pair/gutshot) or top pair +.

When I raise all in they can just about fold their entire range except for 2 pair plus and obviously lose.

You should try zoom on stars, you can get a higher volume and crush it fairly easy. Feel free to send me any HHs, if you need any help
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Old 06-25-2012, 07:05 AM   #287
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Re: Re-building my tilted off roll - from $30 up to $1000

@ Cracked

You’re like the little angel on my shoulder (although most angels wouldn’t wear a Pompey shirt ). I entirely agree with what you say, unfortunately I just can’t stick to it! I’m sure you must be used to my random changes of heart by now – it makes the thread more interesting if nothing else, as you can never be sure what s**t I’m going to come out with next!

@ Fearless Canadian

Thanks for your post mate, appreciate your input. I think in my case no.5 in your list is most applicable. I do think I have the game to be a winner at the micros (I am well in profit lifetime up to 50nl), but this is heavily dependent on not tilting – and I tilt A LOT when things don’t go my way. I’d really appreciate any thoughts you have on hands that I post in this thread (I’ll post a couple below).

I’ve not been updating this properly what with being away, etc, so I’ll try to get back to giving more consistent updates. I had a pretty up and down weekend. Friday night, started off my blowing a couple of stupid BI at 5nl tilting, then rostuckoed it in a long session Friday night (finished around $20 up). Saturday I decided to throw in a few 10nl tables (I know, I know …) as I was hoping to take advantage of some weekend fish. Had a frustrating but ultimately slightly profitable day (maybe $3-4 up). Then played a long session on Sunday morning – started off at 5nl, was 3BI below EV in about 5 minutes, decided to step up to 10nl, tilted like a right royal monkey (and also ran hideously) and dropped another BI to finish about $28 down. This morning, thankfully found some rungood and was $25 up at 10nl.

Here’s the graph. This is everything since I came back from holiday, 2nl, 5nl and 10nl all in one. The moment when I went on tilt on Sunday is painfully obvious. On the plus side, due to playing 10nl I’ve put myself well back on course to hit Silver this month.



Roll is now approx. $130.

Here are three hands I’d appreciate some input on.

Hand 1

Villain is agro(ish) TAG. This is the sort of spot I’m looking to get more agro in. Although I didn’t have a specific read, I feel like this is the sort of villain who can fold tp. Imo he would 3bet AK, so if he has a K it will be KQ/KJ (I’d be surprised if he had K10 here). I’d also expect him to raise a set before the river. I was in two minds as to whether to barrel the turn, but having done so, not barreling the river would be burning money, and I thought that I could get him to fold almost everything here (even on this river card which isn’t the best). Thoughts on whether this is any good – is villain more likely to call with tp because I could be barreling a busted flush?
Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1805550
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CO: $8.34 - VPIP: 33, PFR: 22, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 9
BTN: $10.15 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 19, 3B: 3, AF: 4.0, Hands: 134
SB: $10.00 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 24
BB: $10.10 - VPIP: 31, PFR: 27, 3B: 14, AF: 1.0, Hands: 52
Hero (UTG): $11.87 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 3.1, Hands: 162453

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with Q A
Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) K 7 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.40, BB calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.45) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.00, BB calls $1

River: ($3.45) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.80,


Hand 2

Btn seems reasonably agro over a small sample.

I’m going to get flamed for this one I’m sure. When villain raises the flop here, I’d put him on J10 or KQ (and maybe less likely a flushdraw – I think this board hits my range pretty hard, so I feel he’d be slightly less likely to raise a flush). So often in this spot, when they rep J10, it’s exactly what they have. I don’t see him having KK or QQ very often – I’d pretty much rule those out. So I decided to call to evaluate the turn. When he checked back the turn, I felt it was less likely now he had J10, as I don’t see why he’d raise the flop then not bet this turn. So I think it’s more likely now he has a scared KQ. On the river, KQ just boated up. I’d be surprised if he has Qx or Kx – most villiains wouldn’t raise the flop with it in this spot. So the question is, given the way the hand was played, would you raise a FH on this river? I don’t really see that he now has worse that will call a raise, and I would feel really sick raising and getting shoved on.

I’m sure everyone will say raise the flop – and yes, I should have done. But given that I didn’t, how would you play the turn/river and why?


Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1805564
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UTG: $12.25 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 19, 3B: 3, AF: 2.2, Hands: 132
MP: $10.00 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 12, 3B: 3, AF: 3.0, Hands: 94
Hero (CO): $11.52 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 3.1, Hands: 162453
BTN: $8.48 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 16, 3B: 0, AF: Infinity, Hands: 31
SB: $5.44 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 2, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 329
BB: $14.84 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 19, 3B: 25, AF: 2.0, Hands: 48

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with 9 9
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) K 9 Q (2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, BTN raises to $1.60, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($3.95) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($3.95) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.00, Hero calls $1


Hand 3

Here’s another spot in which I’m trying to man up and take a pot that I think is there for the taking. Normally I just think, it’s only a small pot, I won’t bother taking a risk.

Btn reps so little here, and I think unless he has 6x (which is unlikely given he raised pre and then didn’t bet at any point), he should really fold everything to a raise.

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1805569
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CO: $25.06 - VPIP: 11, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: Infinity, Hands: 35
BTN: $25.31 - VPIP: 31, PFR: 24, 3B: 13, AF: 0.3, Hands: 59
SB: $30.73 - VPIP: 42, PFR: 19, 3B: 10, AF: 3.0, Hands: 53
Hero (BB): $19.56 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 3.1, Hands: 162453
UTG: $30.72 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 5, 3B: 5, AF: 2.5, Hands: 117

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 2 2
UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, BTN raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.20, UTG calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) 4 6 K (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.95) J (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN checks

River: ($0.95) 6 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN bets $0.60, Hero raises to $1.80,
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Old 06-25-2012, 09:29 AM   #288
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Re: Re-building my tilted off roll - from $30 up to $1000

don't bluff river hand 1
3bet/call flop, rest is probably ok 2
c/f every street hand 3, not sure why you think 6x is an unlikely part of villains range
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Old 06-26-2012, 02:56 AM   #289
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Re: Re-building my tilted off roll - from $30 up to $1000

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don't bluff river hand 1
3bet/call flop, rest is probably ok 2
c/f every street hand 3, not sure why you think 6x is an unlikely part of villains range
Goonercam - thanks for your reply.

Hand 1 - if I shouldn't bluff the river, does this mean i shouldn't be firing the turn either? seems bad to bet the turn and not the river, therefore i should just cbet/give up on the flop. would appreciate more explanation of your thought process. Cheers.
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:10 AM   #290
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Re: Re-building my tilted off roll - from $30 up to $1000

After a great morning session yesterday, I had an equally great afternoon, won another $23 or so at 10nl in 1k or so hands. So that made it a $50 day, my first of those for a while. Although I had some extra time to play in the evening as the missus had a tennis match, I decided not to push it and play any more – often if I’ve had a great session, if I go back on and lose a little bit, I go on tilt trying to get my profit back up to where it was, and then a great day suddenly turns into a disaster. So I decided not to risk it.

I did however get an email from Party saying they’d stuck $10 in my account, so I thought I’d see if I could spin it up a little. Played one $6 sng and one $3 sng and managed to bink them both, so that account is up to $30. I’m now in two minds about that – the money is withdrawal restricted, so I have 30 days to get the points to unlock it. It will take a fair bit of time, and I was hoping to push for Gold on Stars next month, which would take all my time – I’d never be able to get it whilst devoting any time to Party. So I’m wondering whether to spend the $30 on a couple of big tournament entries and hope to luckbox a big score. But on the other hand the $3 sng did seem remarkably soft, so I’m wondering whether to play a few of those and sacrifice the Stars Gold vip for now, and see if I can grind up a good amount on Party. No doubt I’ll change my mind 7 or 8 times before tonight. If nothing else, I’ll be able to devote a little time to Party for the rest of this month, as I’m comfortably on course to keep Silver on Stars, which was my aim this month.

This morning I played a 5nl session on Stars – again, I decided to take the conservative approach and not play 10nl, for fear of tilting if I started badly. Had a fairly cr*ppy session – just don’t seem to be able to get anything going at 5nl at the moment. Ended a dollar or so down.

Here’s the graph (again, total play, all stakes, since coming back from holiday).



Here’s an interesting hand from last night. What’s your move on this river – shove, c/c, or c/f? my instinct was to shove, as I think he’s fishy enough to still call with plenty of worse Ax to make up for the times he has the flush. Incidentally I will sometimes squeeze here pre, but in this case I decided not to, as the others involved were all a little agro/fishy, and I could see my squeeze being called 2 or 3 way, and I’d be stuck oop potentially with just A high on the flop. So I decided to flat and wait to see if I hit the flop before inflating the pot. With hindsight I think a squeeze would have been better.

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1806497
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BTN: $10.69 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 24, 3B: 9, AF: Infinity, Hands: 50
SB: $10.79 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 13, 3B: 10, AF: Infinity, Hands: 70
Hero (BB): $11.64 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 3.1, Hands: 164182
UTG: $10.00 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 14, 3B: 2, AF: 3.6, Hands: 390
MP: $18.09 - VPIP: 59, PFR: 17, 3B: 6, AF: 2.2, Hands: 54
CO: $5.86 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 28, 3B: 9, AF: Infinity, Hands: 68

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with A K
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, CO raises to $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30, MP calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.65) 5 A J (4 players)
Hero bets $1.20, MP calls $1.20, CO folds, BTN folds

Turn: ($4.05) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, MP calls $2.50

River: ($9.05) 8 (2 players)
[color=red]Hero ???
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Old 06-26-2012, 08:52 AM   #291
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Re: Re-building my tilted off roll - from $30 up to $1000

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After a great morning session yesterday, I had an equally great afternoon, won another $23 or so at 10nl in 1k or so hands. So that made it a $50 day, my first of those for a while. Although I had some extra time to play in the evening as the missus had a tennis match, I decided not to push it and play any more – often if I’ve had a great session, if I go back on and lose a little bit, I go on tilt trying to get my profit back up to where it was, and then a great day suddenly turns into a disaster. So I decided not to risk it.

I did however get an email from Party saying they’d stuck $10 in my account, so I thought I’d see if I could spin it up a little. Played one $6 sng and one $3 sng and managed to bink them both, so that account is up to $30. I’m now in two minds about that – the money is withdrawal restricted, so I have 30 days to get the points to unlock it. It will take a fair bit of time, and I was hoping to push for Gold on Stars next month, which would take all my time – I’d never be able to get it whilst devoting any time to Party. So I’m wondering whether to spend the $30 on a couple of big tournament entries and hope to luckbox a big score. But on the other hand the $3 sng did seem remarkably soft, so I’m wondering whether to play a few of those and sacrifice the Stars Gold vip for now, and see if I can grind up a good amount on Party. No doubt I’ll change my mind 7 or 8 times before tonight. If nothing else, I’ll be able to devote a little time to Party for the rest of this month, as I’m comfortably on course to keep Silver on Stars, which was my aim this month.

This morning I played a 5nl session on Stars – again, I decided to take the conservative approach and not play 10nl, for fear of tilting if I started badly. Had a fairly cr*ppy session – just don’t seem to be able to get anything going at 5nl at the moment. Ended a dollar or so down.

Here’s the graph (again, total play, all stakes, since coming back from holiday).



Here’s an interesting hand from last night. What’s your move on this river – shove, c/c, or c/f? my instinct was to shove, as I think he’s fishy enough to still call with plenty of worse Ax to make up for the times he has the flush. Incidentally I will sometimes squeeze here pre, but in this case I decided not to, as the others involved were all a little agro/fishy, and I could see my squeeze being called 2 or 3 way, and I’d be stuck oop potentially with just A high on the flop. So I decided to flat and wait to see if I hit the flop before inflating the pot. With hindsight I think a squeeze would have been better.

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1806497
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BTN: $10.69 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 24, 3B: 9, AF: Infinity, Hands: 50
SB: $10.79 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 13, 3B: 10, AF: Infinity, Hands: 70
Hero (BB): $11.64 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 3.1, Hands: 164182
UTG: $10.00 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 14, 3B: 2, AF: 3.6, Hands: 390
MP: $18.09 - VPIP: 59, PFR: 17, 3B: 6, AF: 2.2, Hands: 54
CO: $5.86 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 28, 3B: 9, AF: Infinity, Hands: 68

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with A K
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, CO raises to $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30, MP calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.65) 5 A J (4 players)
Hero bets $1.20, MP calls $1.20, CO folds, BTN folds

Turn: ($4.05) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, MP calls $2.50

River: ($9.05) 8 (2 players)
[color=red]Hero ???

Hey Gooner,

Not commented on hand for a while, so here is my two pence worth.

Pre Flop - I think I would have been tempted to squeeze.

Flop (as played) - I would have bet more. Maybe $1.70, but you probably would have got a call in any event.

Turn - Bet bigger and fold to any aggression. TPTK just kills me.

River - C/C I think. Let villan set the price. Very fishy stats so what do you put villan on? It honks of chasing a flush or slow playing a set. If it is a set, the river is probably your best chance of getting away. If you are ahead, I don't think you have missed out on too much value. My decisions are probably tainted by the amount of suck outs I get with TPTK.

I seemed to have turned into a poker god since taking a break, re-reading Blackrain79's book and taking up the trial of HEM2. I am crushing 2nl for 32.7 bb/100 over 3k hands. Profit of $25. Getting ready for the run bad.

I do like HEM2, but nowhere near as user friendly as PT3. PT3 just seems to have everything where I would put it. No hunting around.
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Old 06-26-2012, 09:27 AM   #292
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Goonercam - thanks for your reply.

Hand 1 - if I shouldn't bluff the river, does this mean i shouldn't be firing the turn either? seems bad to bet the turn and not the river, therefore i should just cbet/give up on the flop. would appreciate more explanation of your thought process. Cheers.
No because he cab still fold 66/88/99/7x to a turn barrel and we improve on some rivers. Problem with bluffing this hand is he can easily have Txhh, never folds a King enough when two flush draws/all Broadway's miss and if your bluffing your AQ combos you're bluffing way too many
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:08 PM   #293
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Re: Re-building my tilted off roll - from $30 up to $1000

Could I get a point of view on a few hands:

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players - View hand 1807026
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SB: $1.98
BB: $5.86
UTG: $0.77
UTG+1: $0.85
MP: $1.61
Hero (CO): $3.05
BTN: $3.38

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with K K
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.07, 2 folds, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.15) J A 7 (2 players)
BB bets $0.14, Hero calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.43) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $0.28, Hero folds

A standard fold?

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 1807028
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UTG+1: $3.64
UTG+2: $4.98
MP1: $1.44
MP2: $3.04
CO: $5.00
BTN: $2.48
Hero (SB): $3.04
BB: $2.90
UTG: $1.44

CO posts a big blind ($0.02)

Pre Flop: ($0.05) Hero is SB with A Q
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 3 folds, CO checks, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.08, 1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.32, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.62, UTG+1 raises to $3.64 all in, 1 fold

Bit of history with the villian over the session. He had already 3 bet me from the blinds 2 or 3 times. Took a stand and ended up giving him credit for the aggression and moved on. There were easier targets. Avoided pots with him from thereon in.

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 1807032
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BB: $4.26
UTG: $4.76
UTG+1: $1.86
MP1: $1.33
MP2: $4.82
CO: $1.26
Hero (BTN): $3.02
SB: $2.34

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with A 9
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.08, SB calls $0.07, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.20) 5 3 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.14, SB calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.48) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.23, SB calls $0.23

River: ($0.94) 7 (2 players)
SB bets $1, Hero folds

The curse of TPTK. I was trying to get him off any draws. If he had an overpair, I would have expected him to have made a move earlier seeing how the board was running. Standard fold on the river?

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 1807037
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UTG: $4.42
UTG+1: $2.66
Hero (MP1): $3.03
MP2: $0.80
CO: $0.88
BTN: $0.83
SB: $2.01
BB: $2.11

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP1 with J J
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.07, 5 folds, UTG raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.13

Flop: ($0.43) 3 2 A (2 players)
UTG bets $0.25, Hero folds

Standard fold or too nitty?

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BB: $1.42
UTG: $1.06
UTG+1: $2.27
MP1: $2.02
Hero (MP2): $3.32
CO: $0.99
BTN: $0.77
SB: $1.97

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP2 with A 4
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.08, CO calls $0.08, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.19) 3 T 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.13, CO raises to $0.26, Hero calls $0.13

Turn: ($0.71) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.65 all in, Hero calls $0.65

River: ($2.01) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

A situation where a bluff on the river was possible? I just didn't have the balls and was on some minor tilt from the last hand after running kings into aces.

Would be grateful for your thoughts.

PS. Gooner, how do you get the converter to show the HUD stats on a hand history?
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Old 06-27-2012, 02:36 PM   #294
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Re: Re-building my tilted off roll - from $30 up to $1000

I swear to god, I am on a table with a player with a VPIP of 100 over 84 hands, PFR 82 and AGF 7.1. He has played and raised almost every single hand.
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I swear to god, I am on a table with a player with a VPIP of 100 over 84 hands, PFR 82 and AGF 7.1. He has played and raised almost every single hand.
VPIP 99 over 149 hands
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Could I get a point of view on a few hands:

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SB: $1.98
BB: $5.86
UTG: $0.77
UTG+1: $0.85
MP: $1.61
Hero (CO): $3.05
BTN: $3.38

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with K K
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.07, 2 folds, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.15) J A 7 (2 players)
BB bets $0.14, Hero calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.43) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $0.28, Hero folds

A standard fold?

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UTG+1: $3.64
UTG+2: $4.98
MP1: $1.44
MP2: $3.04
CO: $5.00
BTN: $2.48
Hero (SB): $3.04
BB: $2.90
UTG: $1.44

CO posts a big blind ($0.02)

Pre Flop: ($0.05) Hero is SB with A Q
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 3 folds, CO checks, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.08, 1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.32, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.62, UTG+1 raises to $3.64 all in, 1 fold

Bit of history with the villian over the session. He had already 3 bet me from the blinds 2 or 3 times. Took a stand and ended up giving him credit for the aggression and moved on. There were easier targets. Avoided pots with him from thereon in.

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BB: $4.26
UTG: $4.76
UTG+1: $1.86
MP1: $1.33
MP2: $4.82
CO: $1.26
Hero (BTN): $3.02
SB: $2.34

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with A 9
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.08, SB calls $0.07, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.20) 5 3 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.14, SB calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.48) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.23, SB calls $0.23

River: ($0.94) 7 (2 players)
SB bets $1, Hero folds

The curse of TPTK. I was trying to get him off any draws. If he had an overpair, I would have expected him to have made a move earlier seeing how the board was running. Standard fold on the river?

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UTG: $4.42
UTG+1: $2.66
Hero (MP1): $3.03
MP2: $0.80
CO: $0.88
BTN: $0.83
SB: $2.01
BB: $2.11

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP1 with J J
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.07, 5 folds, UTG raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.13

Flop: ($0.43) 3 2 A (2 players)
UTG bets $0.25, Hero folds

Standard fold or too nitty?

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BB: $1.42
UTG: $1.06
UTG+1: $2.27
MP1: $2.02
Hero (MP2): $3.32
CO: $0.99
BTN: $0.77
SB: $1.97

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP2 with A 4
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.08, CO calls $0.08, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.19) 3 T 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.13, CO raises to $0.26, Hero calls $0.13

Turn: ($0.71) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.65 all in, Hero calls $0.65

River: ($2.01) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

A situation where a bluff on the river was possible? I just didn't have the balls and was on some minor tilt from the last hand after running kings into aces.

Would be grateful for your thoughts.

PS. Gooner, how do you get the converter to show the HUD stats on a hand history?
Hand 1
I’d play it the same.

Hand 2
Fold when he limp 3bets – this is normally a monster until you have a read otherwise – your AQ is normally fecked here.

Hand 3
I’d bet a little bigger on the turn. His river donk makes little sense but it’s normally a very strong hand so he’s probably rivered a random 2p. nice fold. Out of interest if he’d checked the river I’d probably check it back anyway – getting 3 streets with your hand would be a little thin.

Hand 4
Nice hand. I’d call the limp 3bet here as you did as you’re getting a good price to set mine. Definitely folding the flop.

Hand 5
Given that the guy is short stacked, I’d either shove or fold to his flop raise. Probably shove given the amount you’ve already put in and your pot odds. Get it in when you have most equity, don’t wait to miss the turn and have your equity halved. As played fold the turn, you don’t have the odds to call.

To get the stats to show I go into HEM, right click on the hand I want, then select ‘Copy hands to clipboard with stats’. Then cut and paste it into a hand convertor.


I wrote an update yesterday (covering yesterday morning and the previous evening) but didn’t get a chance to post it, so here it is:

Played a couple of frustrating sessions since the last update. Last night, approx. 1k hands at 10nl, profit approx. $3. This morning, approx. 1k hands at 10nl, loss approx. $10. One of those periods where I’m getting all the action in the world, except when I have a hand that wants action. This morning I would have been roughly even if I’d run at EV, so not too concerned by the losing session. Overall since I started playing 10nl again I’m running at roughly 10bb/100 over around 5k hands, so that’s great. My target rate whilst playing 12 tables is 5bb/100, so anything more than that would be an absolute bonus.

I’d be grateful to know if anyone else has a definitive vpp/hand at 10nl 6max over a large sample (and with what VPIP/PFR – I run around 18/15). I measured my last two sessions, and in the first I was getting around 0.040 vpp/hand, and in the second one, around 0.025. if I’m going to have any chance of getting Gold, I need to be hitting around 0.035 I reckon, so I’d appreciate any feedback as to whether that will be achievable.

Only one interesting hand really that I wanted to discuss. Here we obviously flop the nuts, so my question is, given the action in front of us, what’s our move on the flop – flat or raise, and if raise, to what size? My thought was to raise to about $3, for the reason that BTN appears to have a hand here, and I don’t think this villain will fold a good overpair (1010+) to a raise – so I want to get as much money in as I can now before any potentially action-killing turns (and there are quite a few – any , 8, 5, or overcard to his pocket pair. On the other hand, if I raise now my hand looks like minimum trips, so if they have any kind of reasonable but not strong holding, they’ll turbo muck to a raise, and I want to keep them in, as they’re likely to be drawing very thin/dead and could improve to a worse big hand on the turn (e.g. flush). So, do we raise or flat?

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UTG: $4.01 - VPIP: 53, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 6.0, Hands: 19
CO: $3.85 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 10, 3B: 14, AF: 2.3, Hands: 30
BTN: $10.18 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 11, 3B: 8, AF: 4.2, Hands: 170
Hero (SB): $10.50 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 3.1, Hands: 166101
BB: $4.00 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 21, 3B: 14, AF: Infinity, Hands: 82

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with 7 7
2 folds, BTN raises to $0.28, Hero calls $0.23, BB calls $0.18

Flop: ($0.84) 6 6 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.30, BTN raises to $0.70, [color=red]Hero ???

Last night’s homeward session was equally frustrating. Did well, got 2 BI up, then got the money in good and got outdrawn a couple of times to finish only ½ a BI up. Then had the chance to go back on briefly later in the evening, and I’m glad I did – over $20 up in a couple of hundred hands.

The heater continued this morning – another 500 hands, another $23. Roll is now at $183, and I’ve also achieved Silver for this month so I no longer need to worry about volume for the rest of the month, which is a good thing as I have a load of family things coming up over the weekend.

Would also be interested to get others thoughts on the issue of when to quit a session. This morning I finished my session 20 minutes earlier than I could have done – as I said I’m no longer concerned about volume until July, so I didn’t need to play the hands for the sake of it. I was $23 up, playing well and running well, and had a few decent tables up. My thinking in these situations tends to be that it’s best to finish early and book a really nice win – as last night’s (first) session showed, it’s easy to be having a great session, then hit a bad spot or two near the end of the session and suddenly it’s gone pear shaped. I find there’s nothing more frustrating (and nothing that plays on my mind more for the rest of the day) than losing back a big chunk of profit in the last few minutes of a session. Also, if I’m having a good session, and then lose a chunk back, I’m more likely to tilt trying to get my profit back up to where it was. The downside, however, is that I’m likely giving up a really +EV situation if I’m playing well, running well and have some good fishy tables – I might be giving up another couple of BI potential profit by shutting down early. Of course whenever it’s going badly, you tend to play longer sessions trying to rostucko it. So this leads to a situation where you’re playing short sessions when the conditions are good for you to profit, and longer sessions when it’s going badly. But does the benefit of booking a good winning session and ‘banking’ that profit outweigh that downside? I’d be interested to get others’ thoughts on this.

Here’s a hand I’d like to get an opinion on.

Hand 1

Even though UTG was quite tight, I felt a squeeze here was definitely the way to go as I didn’t want to play 4 way with QQ, even IP. If UTG had 4 bet shoved, I would have folded.

On the flop I chose my betsizing to make sure both fish were all in if they called. Then UTG c/shoved. I think he’s going to show up with JJ a lot, and sometimes a slowplayed AA/KK. However, the pot is $22 and I only have to call $2.50 or so. So I’m almost getting the direct odds to 2-outer him. I can’t ever fold here can I?

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CO: $6.92 - VPIP: 67, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.3, Hands: 9
Hero (BTN): $10.00 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 3.2, Hands: 168092
SB: $23.89 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 14, 3B: 16, AF: Infinity, Hands: 88
BB: $7.70 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 5, 3B: 3, AF: 5.0, Hands: 87
UTG: $11.68 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: Infinity, Hands: 28
MP: $5.38 - VPIP: 50, PFR: 32, 3B: 14, AF: 3.0, Hands: 28

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with Q Q
UTG raises to $0.40, MP calls $0.40, CO calls $0.40, Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, UTG calls $1.10, MP calls $1.10, CO calls $1.10

Flop: ($6.15) 6 J 2 (4 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, CO checks, Hero bets $5.87, UTG raises to $10.18, MP folds, CO folds, Hero ???

Finally, here's the updated graph. this is now only for 10nl.

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Old 06-28-2012, 09:52 AM   #297
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Re: Re-building my tilted off roll - from $30 up to $1000

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@ Cracked

You’re like the little angel on my shoulder (although most angels wouldn’t wear a Pompey shirt ). I entirely agree with what you say, unfortunately I just can’t stick to it! I’m sure you must be used to my random changes of heart by now – it makes the thread more interesting if nothing else, as you can never be sure what s**t I’m going to come out with next!

@ Fearless Canadian

Thanks for your post mate, appreciate your input. I think in my case no.5 in your list is most applicable. I do think I have the game to be a winner at the micros (I am well in profit lifetime up to 50nl), but this is heavily dependent on not tilting – and I tilt A LOT when things don’t go my way. I’d really appreciate any thoughts you have on hands that I post in this thread (I’ll post a couple below).

I’ve not been updating this properly what with being away, etc, so I’ll try to get back to giving more consistent updates. I had a pretty up and down weekend. Friday night, started off my blowing a couple of stupid BI at 5nl tilting, then rostuckoed it in a long session Friday night (finished around $20 up). Saturday I decided to throw in a few 10nl tables (I know, I know …) as I was hoping to take advantage of some weekend fish. Had a frustrating but ultimately slightly profitable day (maybe $3-4 up). Then played a long session on Sunday morning – started off at 5nl, was 3BI below EV in about 5 minutes, decided to step up to 10nl, tilted like a right royal monkey (and also ran hideously) and dropped another BI to finish about $28 down. This morning, thankfully found some rungood and was $25 up at 10nl.

Here’s the graph. This is everything since I came back from holiday, 2nl, 5nl and 10nl all in one. The moment when I went on tilt on Sunday is painfully obvious. On the plus side, due to playing 10nl I’ve put myself well back on course to hit Silver this month.



Roll is now approx. $130.

Here are three hands I’d appreciate some input on.

Hand 1

Villain is agro(ish) TAG. This is the sort of spot I’m looking to get more agro in. Although I didn’t have a specific read, I feel like this is the sort of villain who can fold tp. Imo he would 3bet AK, so if he has a K it will be KQ/KJ (I’d be surprised if he had K10 here). I’d also expect him to raise a set before the river. I was in two minds as to whether to barrel the turn, but having done so, not barreling the river would be burning money, and I thought that I could get him to fold almost everything here (even on this river card which isn’t the best). Thoughts on whether this is any good – is villain more likely to call with tp because I could be barreling a busted flush?
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CO: $8.34 - VPIP: 33, PFR: 22, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 9
BTN: $10.15 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 19, 3B: 3, AF: 4.0, Hands: 134
SB: $10.00 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 24
BB: $10.10 - VPIP: 31, PFR: 27, 3B: 14, AF: 1.0, Hands: 52
Hero (UTG): $11.87 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 3.1, Hands: 162453

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with Q A
Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) K 7 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.40, BB calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.45) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.00, BB calls $1

River: ($3.45) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.80,


Hand 2

Btn seems reasonably agro over a small sample.

I’m going to get flamed for this one I’m sure. When villain raises the flop here, I’d put him on J10 or KQ (and maybe less likely a flushdraw – I think this board hits my range pretty hard, so I feel he’d be slightly less likely to raise a flush). So often in this spot, when they rep J10, it’s exactly what they have. I don’t see him having KK or QQ very often – I’d pretty much rule those out. So I decided to call to evaluate the turn. When he checked back the turn, I felt it was less likely now he had J10, as I don’t see why he’d raise the flop then not bet this turn. So I think it’s more likely now he has a scared KQ. On the river, KQ just boated up. I’d be surprised if he has Qx or Kx – most villiains wouldn’t raise the flop with it in this spot. So the question is, given the way the hand was played, would you raise a FH on this river? I don’t really see that he now has worse that will call a raise, and I would feel really sick raising and getting shoved on.

I’m sure everyone will say raise the flop – and yes, I should have done. But given that I didn’t, how would you play the turn/river and why?


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UTG: $12.25 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 19, 3B: 3, AF: 2.2, Hands: 132
MP: $10.00 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 12, 3B: 3, AF: 3.0, Hands: 94
Hero (CO): $11.52 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 3.1, Hands: 162453
BTN: $8.48 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 16, 3B: 0, AF: Infinity, Hands: 31
SB: $5.44 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 2, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 329
BB: $14.84 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 19, 3B: 25, AF: 2.0, Hands: 48

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with 9 9
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) K 9 Q (2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, BTN raises to $1.60, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($3.95) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($3.95) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.00, Hero calls $1


Hand 3

Here’s another spot in which I’m trying to man up and take a pot that I think is there for the taking. Normally I just think, it’s only a small pot, I won’t bother taking a risk.

Btn reps so little here, and I think unless he has 6x (which is unlikely given he raised pre and then didn’t bet at any point), he should really fold everything to a raise.

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CO: $25.06 - VPIP: 11, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: Infinity, Hands: 35
BTN: $25.31 - VPIP: 31, PFR: 24, 3B: 13, AF: 0.3, Hands: 59
SB: $30.73 - VPIP: 42, PFR: 19, 3B: 10, AF: 3.0, Hands: 53
Hero (BB): $19.56 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 3.1, Hands: 162453
UTG: $30.72 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 5, 3B: 5, AF: 2.5, Hands: 117

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 2 2
UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, BTN raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.20, UTG calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) 4 6 K (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.95) J (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN checks

River: ($0.95) 6 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN bets $0.60, Hero raises to $1.80,
For me I do my best when I play ABC, and need not have to think to much unless some new spot comes up, so 4x tabling zoom is awesome, my hourly is like $2 an hour and it's very easy to maintain and build a roll. I eventually lost it a few days ago trying 50nl HU .

But I am also a winner at 2nl, but I just don't tilt at it. I think the most tilting play I made was shoving jj pre.

Hand 1 : Don't bluff, 1 cbet is fine at zoom is just check fold. In non zoom I guess 1 street is fine, but people will float with underpairs, and sometimes air and it's unlikely to be profitable.

Hand 2 : It's not a terrible river call, I mean if you raise he can only call with a straight or flush. But maybe I still raise because I would think if he doesn't have KQ/KK he will just call.

Hand 3: This is never going to be profitable, you will never make them fold often enough on that river.
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Old 06-28-2012, 09:58 AM   #298
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Re: Re-building my tilted off roll - from $30 up to $1000

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I’ve been surprised how many regs there are, even at 2nl. It’s not been the wall to wall fish bonanza that I was expecting – maybe I’m playing at the wrong time of day. I’m still getting 3bet more than I was anticipating. I’m definitely losing some of my edge by playing this many tables – I’m playing far more ABC than I otherwise would, but hopefully the lost edge is outweighed by the number of tables and the overall profit I can make. I might assess it after 20-30k hands and see if it’s been a success.

Updates to follow …
I 4 bet bluff in 2nl Zoom btw. If they 3 bet like > 6% then I 4 bet them with any 2 that I opened with (I'm tight tho)

I have a winrate of 4bb/100 of 120k hands of 2nl, with an hourly of $2/hour. But I put in a great amount of volume (13k hands per day)

But the games are very tough, people fold TPTK, or at least play it slowly to a check raise, so now I chk/call, chk/call chk shove.

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Old 06-28-2012, 07:02 PM   #299
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Looks like your game has come back nice and solid since the break PG. Excellent to see. How's the tilt control going? Master (control) this and we're both off and running I reckon.

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Only one interesting hand really that I wanted to discuss. Here we obviously flop the nuts, so my question is, given the action in front of us, what’s our move on the flop – flat or raise, and if raise, to what size?
Interesting spot. Neither the bet or raise are particularly large. Not sure what to read into this. Perhaps fishy players, in which case you would like to keep them involved. Making a 3b here is super strong and will fold out anything but big hands - which will hopefully pay off turn/river anyway. I'd be inclined to flat and see if we get the BB to come along too for another street at least. Not sure if this is best though but we are so nutted here we can probably afford to give a cheap card and it's hard for them to have anything much stronger than an overpair or 7x. I'm interested how it panned out.

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Would also be interested to get others thoughts on the issue of when to quit a session.
Yep. Know this scenario all too well. Obviously the theory is poker is just one long session so you should just play when you're playing well and quit when you're not. However, for reasons of positive mindset it is often beneficial for me to check out when I've booked a really good win. This is particularly true if like me you sometimes go into 'protect your profit' mode - where essentially you are missing some value and avoiding potentially good spots for fear of losing what you've won. In the end you can give free cards where you shouldn't and cost yourself value anyway or end up losing big pots when they catch up because you play too scared when you shouldn't have. In this case, you may as well log off, take your win and come back fresh when you're playing properly.

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Hand 1

Even though UTG was quite tight, I felt a squeeze here was definitely the way to go as I didn’t want to play 4 way with QQ, even IP. If UTG had 4 bet shoved, I would have folded.
Sometimes I don't mind flatting here and seeing how things pan out, especially if you know you'll get called multi way. However, I think I am popping up a bit bigger if I do 3bet. Probably helps make decision easier post flop too.

Once again, on the flop I'm still unsure. Donk? Check/call and re-evaluate?

As played, I think you're beaten but I think you have to call.
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Old 06-28-2012, 07:05 PM   #300
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Hand 1
I’d play it the same.

Hand 2
Fold when he limp 3bets – this is normally a monster until you have a read otherwise – your AQ is normally fecked here.

Hand 3
I’d bet a little bigger on the turn. His river donk makes little sense but it’s normally a very strong hand so he’s probably rivered a random 2p. nice fold. Out of interest if he’d checked the river I’d probably check it back anyway – getting 3 streets with your hand would be a little thin.

Hand 4
Nice hand. I’d call the limp 3bet here as you did as you’re getting a good price to set mine. Definitely folding the flop.

Hand 5
Given that the guy is short stacked, I’d either shove or fold to his flop raise. Probably shove given the amount you’ve already put in and your pot odds. Get it in when you have most equity, don’t wait to miss the turn and have your equity halved. As played fold the turn, you don’t have the odds to call.
I agree with this pretty much in its entirety.
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