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Old 02-06-2012, 07:14 AM   #1
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Re-building my tilted off roll - from $30 up to $1000

Hello all, I thought I’d share my efforts to get my poker career back on track after a particularly shocking few weeks in which I tilted off most of my roll playing 25nl and 50nl.

I’ve always had a problem with tilt but I went into insane monkey overdrive through most of January ’12, tilting far more, and with far less provocation, than I ever used to do. So, at the end of it, I was left with $30 and a desire to sort myself and my game out.

I’ve played for 3 years and have always been a winning player up to and including 50nl, but I feel that in the last few months I’ve played poorly, and have gone away from some of the fundamentals that were working for me. I had got far too passive in most spots, but at the same time was stacking off too light once I did hit a decent hand.

So, rather than re-deposit, I decided to drop all the way down to 2nl, and see if I could re-evaluate my game, start playing better and getting some confidence back, and hopefully rebuild my roll in the process.

So I logged on and … there were no 2nl 6max tables available (Party).

Hmm, I didn’t want to play under-rolled, but it looked like I had no choice but to start at 4nl instead and hope to run ok.

I’m now 5k hands in.

My old stats were always around 17/13, and I really wanted to try to open up my range preflop a bit and get more aggressive.

My current stats are 22/17 for these 5k hands. I haven’t increased my PFR by playing like a monkey, I’ve just done it my targeting the fish and the limpers, and isolating them with a wider range. Hands like K9s, Q8s, I’m now isolating with (in position) where before I would have folded or limped behind.

So far, it’s gone better than I could have imagined. I’ve run hot, there’s no doubt about that, and I’m above EV, but so far, over the 5k hands, I’m 26 buy ins up ($105) with a winrate of approx. 50bb/100. I’ll post a graph later.

My aim is to get my roll up to $200, and then move up to 10nl, hopefully within the next couple of weeks. Though now I’ve written this, I’ve probably just induced the pressing of the doom switch, and I’m about to slid off into the monkey tilt abyss.

But I’m hoping that by starting this thread, and updating it regularly, it will give me something to focus on to keep the tilt at bay.

I’ll post my next set of results after 7.5k hands, and I’ll post any interesting hands as I go.
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Old 02-06-2012, 01:48 PM   #2
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Re: Re-building my tilted off roll - from $30 up to $1000

Hi all, first update on my challenge. Decided that as i had a roll of $140, i'd take a shot at 10nl with the fallback position of dropping back to 4nl if my roll dips back to $100.

My stats at 4nl were as follows (can anyone tell me how to post a graph on here, i can't seem to do it):

Hands: 5229
Winnings: $104.47
Winrate: 49.95 bb/100
VPIP: 21.3
PFR: 17.1

So, 10nl: Bankroll £87.

Typically, after winning most flips i had in that period, as soon as i moved up to 10nl, i got my AA cracked by JJ, my KK cracked by 44 and my AK ran into KK.

Still, a couple of fish donated nicely so i made a profit of $6.47.

Bankroll: £91.50

Here's the most interesting hand i played. You can possibly question the call of the 3bet and the call on the flop, but i thought this was a good spot to float and take it away bearing in mind he won't double barrel without an A in his hand:

10nl

Dealt to Hero (btn): 10Q

BB is 22/17, 8% 3bet

3 folds
Hero raises to .30c
1 fold
BB raises to $1
Hero calls .70c

Flop ($2.05)

A57

BB bets $1.20
Hero calls $1.20

Turn ($4.45)

7

BB checks
Hero bets $2.40
BB calls $2.40

River ($9.25)

J

BB checks
Hero bets $6.39 all in

I felt that when he check/called the turn he never had an A, he has KK/QQ/JJ almost always. Ithink this type of villain is good enuf to be able to fold KK here, but it will take 2 barrels to get him to fold. So i bet the turn small to allow my river bet to be as large as possible.

I won't say if he folded, but what does everyone think of this bluff? I know most ppl will say fold pre, and fold flop ...
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Old 02-06-2012, 04:36 PM   #3
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Re: Re-building my tilted off roll - from $30 up to $1000

Now, this is why i tilt. Just played a 300 hands session. Dropped 7 buy ins. 5 buy ins below EV. Lost every flip, couldn't hit any big draw, they hit every river they needed to, ran AK (twice) and JJ (twice) into AA against massive fish who could have far worse, blah blah blah.

By the end, i did tilt off a couple of buy ins that were unnecessary.

So, bankroll = £56.88.

I have one more buy in at 10nl, then i'll have to drop back down to 4nl. Man this is frustrating.

Next update tomorrow when i've cleared my head ...
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Old 02-07-2012, 07:04 AM   #4
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Re: Re-building my tilted off roll - from $30 up to $1000

So, having had a night’s sleep to calm down and think about the debacle of last night’s session, I’ve come to the conclusion that it was a combination of one of those ugly sessions that happen from time to time, with some tilt thrown in. There were 2 buy ins at the end of the session that I could have avoided losing. Neither were absolutely hideous, but both were folds playing my A game – or even my B game.

The rest were either coolers or being on the wrong end of flips. As I’m trying to open up my range a little, I expect a consequence will be that I’ll get into a few more spots where I have to go with a big draw and leave the rest to variance. Unfortunately last night variance decided to pick up the nearest rock and batter me over the head with it.

I’ve had a think, and I’ve decided to move forward as follows:

1. I have £53 on Party. I’m going to withdraw this, and re-deposit £100 on Stars. I’ve not played on Stars for a long time, but I fancy a change (I despise the software on Party – when u get it all in pre, why on earth does it not show hole cards until the end of the hand?!!) and I’d like to at least see what the tables are like there. Anyone have any views on which is fishier at these stakes? I have about 3000 party points, which are worth $200 or so in cash-for-points, so I will return at some point, but I’ll wait a little while to see if they offer me a re-deposit bonus, which they normally do if u leave for a while.
2. So I’ll put in £100 on Stars, which will give me approx. 16 buy ins for 10nl. I really can’t see the point of dropping back down to 5nl for the time being – I just destroyed it for 25+ buy in profit over 5k hands, so clearly I should be playing higher and it’s wasting my time playing there unless bankroll considerations dictate. I’ll drop back to 5nl if my roll drops to £65. I’ll take shots at 25nl if my roll increases to £225.
3. Perhaps I should play a bit more cautiously than I did last night – avoid taking flips unless it’s a really good spot until my roll is a little more secure. I really don’t want to drop back down to 5nl.

I’ve also decided to set myself a few rules:

1. Sit out all my tables for one orbit if I get stacked. I always say I’ll do this, and I’ve never done it yet. I MUST do this to calm down and try to avoid tilting before it starts.
2. Keep my VPIP above 20, and my PFR above 17. I don’t want to get too nitty/passive.
3. Keep my red-line somewhere near even, or only slightly down-sloping. I don’t say this because I want a good red-line for its own sake, but because when I play my best (most aggressive) poker, a consequence is my red-line stays flat. I stop being so passive, and start attacking in good spots. I need to keep this in mind and my play will benefit.
4. Tables … I can’t decide how many to play. I’m not going to set an absolute maximum, but I think I should try to limit it to about 8, and preferably less. Just one bad decision an hour because of being too hurried has a big effect on winrate. If I can keep the aggressive mindset, 8 should be fine.
5. Stop being lazy and take notes, dammit.
6. Stop-loss … I’m not even going to bother suggesting one, because I won’t stick to it.

Aims for February/beyond:

1. I need approx. $200 profit before I can step up to 25nl. I want to do this in 20k hands – winrate 10bb/100. If I could do it by the end of February, even better.
2. Play minimum 10k hands for the rest of the month, hopefully a good deal more. I can only play evenings/weekends so it always depends on outside factors (my girlfriend) as to how much volume I can get in.
3. To avoid any monkey tilt for the rest of the month (getting through tonight will be a start!).

4. Make it properly stick at 50nl this time, and get to 100nl by the end of the year.
5. Get to the stage where I can do this for a living.
6. Stop tilting. Ever.
7. Really, please stop tilting. Just stop being a moron.
8. Play more live, maybe even get a live bankroll together.

Wish me luck on Stars! Let's hope i enjoy some beginner's luck run good ...
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Old 02-08-2012, 07:06 AM   #5
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Re: Re-building my tilted off roll - from $30 up to $1000

So as planned I started a new roll on PokerStars last night. I deposited £100 and loaded up some 10nl tables.

Then found that my HUD threw an absolute fit at being asked to import hands from PS rather than Party. Spent the next half an hour trying to sort it out, going thru the HEM help FAQs etc, and finally got it up and running.

My initial impressions are that the software is much more user friendly than Party’s and it looks nicer as well. It took me 5 minutes to work out how to tile the tables, but once I’d done that it was all smooth.

It seemed that the standard of play is generally nittier on PS. There were fewer giant whales, and more weak-tight players. I realised pretty quickly that people weren’t playing back much pre-flop, so I started opening a lot wider and abusing position.

I played two sessions, which were as follows:

Session 1:

Hands: 450
P/L: +$0.47
VPIP: 27
PFR: 21
3bet: 7%

Session 2:

Hands: 392
P/L: -$4.99
VPIP: 31
PFR: 25
3bet: 6%

As you can see my stats were quite LAGgy – far more so than usual (I’m usually around 17/13, but have been trying to increase these numbers more consistently). I was reasonably pleased with my play overall, but unfortunately was in one of those runs where I just couldn’t get much value with my top pair hands, and only got action when I was bluffing. Most of the fish seemed to c/f every time I had something good, and then call me down light when I didn’t.

There were a couple of river calls I’d like to have back, but overall I was reasonably happy. In the 1st session my turn cbet % was down and I missed a couple of spots when I should have double barrelled, and ended up losing to some crappy made hand at showdown that I could have got to fold. I sorted that out a little in the 2nd session.

My red-line ended slightly above even, so that was a plus.

Hopefully I’ll just find a few more spots to get some value tonight.

Here are a couple of the more interesting hands.

Hand 1:

10nl

Dealt to Hero (BB) AJ

This was my very first hand on this table so no reads on villain.

UTG ($10) raises to .30c
4 folds
Hero ($10) calls .20c

It’s a fold pre – I shouldn’t have called oop against an unknown’s UTG range.

Flop ($0.65)

J73

Hero checks
UTG bets .35c
Hero calls .35c

Dry flop, we flop top pair, I’m never folding here, but equally I’m never raising.

Turn ($1.35)

6

Hero checks
UTG bets .70c
Hero raises to $2
UTG calls $1.30

I raise here on the basis of his betsizing – I think if he had an overpair, he’d be betting bigger, especially as the board is getting uglier. So I think most of the time I have the best hand here, and I’m raising for value. But I think my raise works two ways. It gets value from villain if he has Jx, or decides to peel with 1010-88. He might even peel with A7, 44/55 here. On the other hand, some villains would fold AA-QQ here, as I’m repping a set. If he had come back over the top, I’m ditching the hand immediately, as most villains would never do that with worse in this spot.
When he calls, I think I’m probably ahead, but he could still have a scared overpair so I’m not totally in love with my hand.

River ($5.35)

4

Hero bets $2.70

I felt this was an awkward spot and I didn’t like any of my options. I don’t think I can c/c, as after the turn action I expect him to check back most made hands, including overpairs. He may bet sets, and will obviously bet a straight. So if I check, it’s to c/f.

But he shouldn’t have the straight very often, and if he had a set he would probably raise the turn. So I make a two way bet, to potentially get value from Jx or a stubborn 1010-88 if he’s sticky, and to potentially fold out an overpair/AJ if he’s weak-tight.

Obviously I’d muck if he raised.

Thoughts on the hand?


Hand 2:

10nl

Dealt to Hero (BB) 88

3 folds
BTN ($10) raises to .30c
1 fold
Hero ($10) raises to $1.10
BTN calls .80c

1st hand at the table. I should probably wait an orbit before 3betting here to get an indication of whether he can fold/how wide his steal range is. However, mostly he’ll fold and it establishes to a good early agro image for me.

Flop ($2.25)

Q73

Hero bets $1.30
BTN calls $1.30

I have to bet this. If I don’t I’m just giving up on the hand, as I can’t rep anything after that unless an A/K hits on the turn. He’ll mostly have JJ-99/Ax/KQ, and I need to be able to set up the 2nd barrel to fold him out.

Turn ($4.85)

9

Hero bets $2.50
BTN calls $2.50

When he calls the turn I think his range is narrowed to Qx/JJ/1010 – anything else would have either raised or folded.

River ($9.85)

4

Now the question is, do I shove, and will he fold? I feel like if I’m not going to shove the river I shouldn’t have bet the turn. We both have $5.10 behind – so if he has AQ/KQ, he’s getting a good price on the call. A good villain should fold his entire range here because I’m repping AA-QQ, and this is how I would play it – so he’s only beating a bluff. Villain doesn’t know yet that I can 3 barrel bluff in this spot. But I don’t know if he can fold top pair – which is why I should have waited a couple of orbits before 3betting in this spot pre-flop in the first place.

I checked the river because I just wasn’t convinced, given the stack sizes, that he'd fold, but looking at it again, I think I probably should have shoved. Thoughts?
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Old 02-09-2012, 07:52 AM   #6
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Re: Re-building my tilted off roll - from $30 up to $1000

Session stats for last night:

Hands: 198
P/L: +$14.12
VPIP: 28
PFR: 22
3bet: 3%

Total so far on Stars:

Hands: 1040
P/L: +$9.60
Bankroll: $

Only had time for a short session last night. Stacked someone with AA when I 3bet him, he called with K10 and the flop came 10 high. Aside from that was just picking on the fish, won a few small pots, nothing very interesting.

Red line was down, but that came from bet/folding against a couple of fish who told me in no uncertain terms that they had a set on the turn. Only a small sample, so no worries.

I’m surprised at how high my VPIP is consistently staying at the moment. I think it’s because of the tables being fairly weak tight – there are a lot of villains who seem to be around 15/12 with a low 3bet – and because I’m making a conscious effort to iso fish more. I think it’s a good thing, and I’d like to make an effort to keep it up if I can. I think so far though there’s slightly too large a gap between my VPIP and PFR – last night’s session would have been better if it was 28/24. I think some of that though is getting a good seat with a fish on my right, and limping behind with a wide range so as to play as many pots with him as possible. As long as I’m calling in those situations, and not calling with A10o oop against an EP raiser, I’m fine with it.

I managed to get HEM set up (surprisingly painlessly) on my little laptop so now I’m hoping to be able to play on my way to and from work – I’m waiting to see if the wi-fi is going to work properly. If so, I hope this will increase the amount of volume I can get in. It would be nice to get in a solid couple of hours play each day. It will mean all my results/HEM data are spread over two databases on different computers, but I can’t see it being too big a problem.

I also need to sit down and properly work out how the whole Stars VIP system works and how best to maximise the cash to be made from it. If anyone can point me in the direction of any good threads/articles about it I’d be grateful.

I’m also hoping to put some graphs up, but i’m still unsure how to do it. Can anyone help with that?

On for a quick lunchtime session now, update to follow later.

GL at the tables …
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Old 02-09-2012, 08:18 AM   #7
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Re: Re-building my tilted off roll - from $30 up to $1000

Grrr quick sesh at lunch, everyone seemed to lose their fold button, whilst hitting every flop.

Hands: 108
P/L: -$5.31
VPIP: 31
PFR: 27
3bet: 20%

Went crazy aggressive, just had loads of good 3betting spots. Unfortunately they either hand AA, or they had A3 and outflopped me. Aside from holding 99against AK, all went a bit wrong post flop.

Here's the most interesting hand:

10nl

Dealt to Hero (BB) 33

UTG ($14) raises to .30c
4 folds
Hero ($17) calls .20c

Flop ($0.65)

245

Hero checks
UTG bets .40c
Hero raises to $1.20
UTG calls .80c

Turn ($3.05)

8

Hero bets $2.30
UTG calls $2.30

River ($7.65)

7

Hero checks
UTG bets $2

Hero ????

Villain running 27/24, 50% open from UTG over 40 hands.
I call pre because we're deep. On the flop i'm happy to try to take it down now if he has whiffed overs, and i still have good equity against an overpair. When he calls my flop raise i think he has an overpair or a flush draw. He'd re-pop a set on this drawy board.

I feel like i have to barrel the turn, otherwise my hand is face up as a draw. If i barrel the turn he may fold his overpairs, if i check the turn i can pretty much never make any more money in the hand. He calls again so i think his range is the same as the flop - overpairs and flushdraws - no big made hands.

The river is where i'm confused. Should i follow thru and bet this? i feel like if he wasn't folding overpairs on the flop and turn, he's not folding the river, so i don;t think i'll get better to fold now. If he has a busted draw i'm ahead anyway. I feel like he'd check back his made hands here and probably only bet his busted draws, so i was prepared to call.
Then he bets really small. Would u ever raise this - is it an overpair going for thin value that would fold to a shove? Is it a busted draw desperately trying to buy the pot?
What's your decision on the river - fold, call or shove?
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:00 AM   #8
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Re: Re-building my tilted off roll - from $30 up to $1000

Played a couple of sessions last night:

Hands: 354
P\L: +$20/.11
VPIP: 24
PFR: 20
3bet: 7%

1st session was good. Got the wi-fi up and running on my way home from work (wasn’t expecting it to be up until next week, so a bonus), and it worked well. Only time it dropped out was when a fish cold called my 3bet when i was holding AA. I flopped top set ... connection lost. Lol. Thankfully it came back, board went runner runner 3flush/4 straight, managed to get it to showdown, he showed a lower set. Talk about action killing board runout.

Hands: 794
P/L: -$18.79
VPIP: 23
PFR: 18
3bet: 3%

Tables were much fishier – restored my faith that there are actually some proper fish on Stars. Really frustrating session though. Ran more than two buy ins below EV, thanks to getting my AK cracked by AJ, then QQ by KQ. Then right at the end made one horrible call for my stack with 99, then ran QQ into KK. Not happy.

My redline went through the floor which was annoying – i didn’t exactly tilt, but i certainly lost my A game and got too passive. Couldn’t hit the board at all for a stretch. I think the fishier the tables though, the more i’ll have to accept it’s impossible to keep a strong red line – it’s just too hard to win pots when u don’t hit the board against fish and they won’t fold bottom pair, so my showdown winnings will go up alot, but my non-showdown will suffer. Just have to keep making the right decision for each circumstance i guess, not worry about specific things like red line as long as the profit is coming.

Noticed a couple of definite leaks which i need to work on as well:

1. Calling small 3bets from fish with stupid hands. U know what i mean – u raise the CO with K8s, fish on the btn min 3bets, you think, well it’s so cheap to call, i’ll call, i might flop a flush. Then whiff the flop and just check/fold. Burning money. I need to think about the sort of range i should be calling with there. I guess AJo+, 22+, A2s+ and all suited connectors. Muck all medium unsuited Ax, all Kx (not sure about KQ ...) all Qx, all other suited crap, non suited broadways etc. Anyone have thoughts on whether these are good ranges to call/fold? I guess tighten it up further oop.
2. Calling donks bets with no plan for the hand. I raise A10o, fish calls. Flop is K84r, he donks. Why am i calling, only to fold a blank turn when he donks again? My default is to float just to see if he’ll barrel the turn, which is terrible. I think i need to just give up the flop in these spots the first couple of times he does it, until i have a better read that he either does it all the time and will fold to a raise, or he does it with a made hand/draw.

Hope to play another session at lunch, update to follow.

It would be great to get some feedback from 2+2ers on this thread, whether you have any advice, things i should be doing differently, leaks in my approach etc.
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Old 02-10-2012, 06:18 AM   #9
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Re: Re-building my tilted off roll - from $30 up to $1000

what is your roll? you seem to be playing with no mind to bankroll management. If I raised K8s in Co and the BTN raised, I would lean towards folding. I was trying to pick up the blinds with some equity if Im called. When he raises he only has to have a pair or an ace and we're miles behind. fold.
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Old 02-10-2012, 08:27 AM   #10
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what is your roll? you seem to be playing with no mind to bankroll management. If I raised K8s in Co and the BTN raised, I would lean towards folding. I was trying to pick up the blinds with some equity if Im called. When he raises he only has to have a pair or an ace and we're miles behind. fold.
My roll was about $165 (£100) on Stars, which is what i deposited recently. i've always played massively underrolled - i've been used to building up from 10nl with only 7-8 BI to start. So this time i started with about 16-17, which is a lot for me. i'm going to try to be more strict with my bankroll this time, in terms of dropping down - so i'll drop down to 5nl if my roll drops to $100. But i do believe in taking aggressive upward shots if the games are good, so if my roll reaches $300 i'll certainly be taking some initial small shots at 25nl.
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Old 02-10-2012, 10:23 AM   #11
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Re: Re-building my tilted off roll - from $30 up to $1000

Maybe switch to 9-handed. You can steamroll those guys. 6-handed even at the lower stakes are full of good players.
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Old 02-10-2012, 03:49 PM   #12
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Re: Re-building my tilted off roll - from $30 up to $1000

I've never tried full ring, i have to say. I think i might get a bit frustrated with the lack of action, i'm too much of an action junky.

I deserve shooting for the way i played tonight. I ran dreadfully to be fair, lost in any number of pots where i had the guy crushed on the flop, he made a terrible call and hit whatever he needed to hit. But i also played absysmally, stacking off too light. God i hate myself sometimes, i know i'm doing something stupid and i do it anyway.

Day's stats:

Hands: 872
P/L: -$6.20
VPIP: 24
PFR: 19

Overall i'm about break even at 10nl so far in this challenge. I'm going to give myself a damn good kick up the a** and sort it out for tomorrow. Good session coming up then.

Also, can anyone tell me/give me a link to how to post a graph on here?
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Old 02-15-2012, 04:01 AM   #13
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Re: Re-building my tilted off roll - from $30 up to $1000

Tilt is destroying my game.

I used to be a reasonable player. 6 months ago, i was beating 50nl for 7bb/100 over about 30k hands. Now, i can’t beat 10nl.

Since my last post a few days ago, i’ve dropped about 6BI, so my starting roll on Stars of $160 is now down to $100.

Ok, i’ll get the rant off my chest first. I’m not running bad, i’m running like a one-legged donkey that has its one and only leg shoved up its own a**. I’m about 10BI below EV since i joined Stars (only 8-9k hands), and that doesn’t take into consideration the set over sets, and the times i’ve got the money in dead on the river after they’ve hit a truly astonishing runner runner (normally when i’ve got top set) with a hand that should never have seen the flop, never mind the river. I’ve had more pre-flop coolers than i can count, and when they have called a shove pre, i’ve had my AA/KK cracked by hands like 108, K9 and A4.

I’ve played several million hands online since i started playing the game, so i know this recent run is over a tiny sample and these runs don’t last for ever – it’s variance, blah blah blah, and at some point i’ll be able to win a hand again.

Trouble is, it’s got to the stage now where my tilt won’t let me grind through a run like this with minimal losses and wait for the deck to turn back in my favour. I tilt now when i lose a 10bb pot because some idiot floats my cbet with nothing and takes the pot with Q high after my flush draw busts. It takes literally nothing to put me on tilt. One hand. One small, standard, completely typical hand, and i’m off, and totally unable to play my normal game.

I’m at a loss. Do i drop back to 2nl and try to grind this back up? Do i nit up massively pre and wait til i have the nuts before i put any money into the pot? I know most people will say it sounds like a need a break from the game – the tables will still be there after a few days. But really, we all love this game and we all know what it’s like. You don’t want to have a few days away from it. If you have the chance to play, you want to play, even if you’re running like a dog, because it’s the thing you most want to do with your spare time.

So, I’ve been wondering whether to play some heads up instead of 6 max. I think part of my problem stems from the fact that if i only play 2-3 tables of 6 max(to stay in control, to give myself time to think and breathe), i get bored, and load up more. Then i’ll be playing 8-10 tables, unable to get proper reads or make considered decisions, and just auto-piloting. Then i’ll make a couple of mistakes because of this, or i’ll lose a big pot on two tables in quick succession, and that’s it ... i put my spew monkey hat on, and away i tilt.

I’m thinking that if i play one table of HU, i can concentrate properly on it, hopefully have time to take a deep breath if i lose a hand before i tilt, and make better decisions. It should also help with the main thing i need to improve about my game – hand reading. I feel like my hand reading hasn’t improved for a long time. I’ve played so many hands that i can know generically what to do in most spots, but the subtleties against a particular villain’s range are lost because i’m not even bothering to think about a villain-specific range, just a standard range that the majority of villains would have in that spot. So perhaps playing some HU will address this. And just maybe, if i’m making considered decisions, i might not tilt.

I’ve had a look, but the lowest HU tables on Stars (or Party where i used to play) are 50nl. I don’t want to step straight in to that level without ever having played HU before. So the other option is HU sit n gos, which go from $1.50 up on Stars. That’s not ideal, because i don’t like the whole robotic push/fold situations that arise late in sit n gos, but it will at least give me some experience of HU. So i may try some HU sit n gos. Or i may drop down to 2nl and see how quickly i can drag my roll back up. One thing i’m not doing – i’m NOT redepositing. If i can’t make this roll last at the very lowest stakes, i have no business being on the tables at all.

Lunchtime session coming up later. Will post an update.

GL at the tables.
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Old 02-15-2012, 08:51 AM   #14
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Re: Re-building my tilted off roll - from $30 up to $1000

I tried one tabling a few HU sitngos - $1.50 ones. Won 3, lost 2. Ship the $1.32 profit lol. Interesting experience after years of 6 max, just tried to feel my way in and not do anything stupid. It's amazing how quickly you get a feel for the other guy's game.

Also dropped down to the 5nl cash tables (i'm rolled for them so 2nl seemed a bit ridiculous). Only played a few hands, $1.50 or so up. What's your line in this hand?

5nl

Dealt to Hero (BB) J10

4 folds
Sb raises to .15c (SB is 20/20 over a very small sample, no postflop reads yet).
Hero calls .10c

Flop ($0.30)

234

SB bets .30c
Hero raises to .90c
SB calls .60c

Turn ($2.10)

A

SB checks
Hero checks

River ($2.10)

3

SB bets .85c
Hero raises to $2.50

What are your thoughts on this hand. My reasoning is as follows:

Pre i'm happy to flat here rather than 3bet and turn my hand into a bluff, use position and try to outplay him postflop.

On the flop i prefer raising here. I think his betsizing indicates a made hand (most likely an overpair), as he seems to be betting big for protection. I think if he has Ax or Kx he probably bets smaller. So i'm putting his range here as 66-AA, and occasionally sets (i think these might also bet slightly smaller so as not to scare me away). I raise because i good part of this range folds. If he shoves, i will assume he probably only does this with AA-QQ (maybe JJ) or sets, in which case i fold, as i don't have the extra equity of live overcards.

When he flats the flop imo his range is 66-AA but weighted towards 66-JJ. The turn gives me the flush. The reason i check is because of the A. All his range (except AA) absolutely hates that card. I don't see how he can have AK/AQ here very often. Therefore i feel like if i bet, my hand looks very much like the flush, and he folds eveything except KK and QQ. So i checked to make it more likely i'd win an extra bet on the river.

The river pairs, so if he has a set he just screwed me, but i feel like a set would probably have bet the turn. When he bets small, it looks like something going for thin value (KK/QQ) or a pure bluff based on my turn check. I raise smallish in case he can't fold KK. But i was planning to fold if he shoved, as he would never shove worse there imo.

Thoughts on this. Would you just bet the turn, and if so, why?


So feel slightly better overall. Instead of posting my results for the next little while, i'm going to post the one most important measure of my play: decisions made thru tilt.

So for today's session:

Tilt decisions: 0

I'm happy.
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Old 02-16-2012, 03:08 AM   #15
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Re: Re-building my tilted off roll - from $30 up to $1000

Can someone please please turn off the doomswitch which has been sitting over my head for 6 months. I'm ****ing sick of this. Just once, is it possible for me to be good with top pair? Whenever i'm bluffing these fish will happily call me down with third pair no kicker, yet whenever i have top pair they either fold the flop or they have a ****ing set and i have to fold to their checkraise on the turn. They call me down with **** and hit their ****ing runner runner to crack my sets so often, and the one time i make a ****ty call and then bink my gutshot on the river, i'm already drawing dead to a ridiculous full house and get stacked anyway. And why is it, whenever i go on tilt and shove K7, they call me with A6 or 55 and stack me, but when i get it in with QQ they have AA/KK EVERY ****ING TIME. 10 times in the last 5k hands that's happened. And the one time i had KK, he hit a ****ing Q. And please when i flop a set, can i actually win a decent sized ****ing pot, instead of them either c/folding the flop, or rivering a ****ing flush. How is it, given the range i play and the range these fish play, they can out flop me so often, and i never have them dominated. Oh wait, when i do have them dominated they hit their ****ing kicker and i lose anyway. PLEASE CAN I JUST GET ANY ****ING VALUE WITH MY GOOD HANDS.

Ok, well i feel marginally better for that.

Tilt decisions last night: 0

Tilt decisions this morning: 1
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