I know you didn't ask me, but I'll interject anyway . the problem when you get a video reviewed when you played bad is that you'll get told the same things you already know. If you get a video when you're playing your A-game, you'll get comments on how to improve your A-game, which I think is clearly better.

f me I wrote a long reply and then it vanished. Anyway, what I was about to say was that you are right about that. When we play our c-game and try to lop if off the best we can, we usually know what we are doing wrong when we are at our worst. Then we play our A-game we will get the input that will help us develop more and at the same time reduces the chance of slipping to the "c-game". I prefer a sweat session to making a video, since every time I record a video I am over-thinking all my decisions and end up playing too passively (like today) and give up on pots too easily when I could have won the pot. When doing a sweat session I feel a lot more comfortable and I make more of those so called standard plays.

I just ordered a pair of Sennheiser HD600 headphones, since my HD595 broke down. I really wanted to order them when I was doing better in poker again but since that doesn't seem to happen I think I just go ahead and pay them and hope to get them mailed by weekend.

Going to catch some sleep now and to the gym first thing in the morning and may play some Zoom again, or I'll continue trying to "clear" this bonus. My nature doesn't let me give up on 30bi just yet :F

Oh, wow, zoom. Don't even get me started. I hate it so bad, it's not even funny. I think I'm actually up (I'm not using the version of HM2 that imports it yet), but I absolutely hate the concept. I hate playing against unknowns since I feel with no reads I'm always making mistakes one way or the other, and on zoom everyone's an unknown. I'll stick with regular poker, thankyouverymuch. I honestly can't understand how anyone can stand to play zoom.

heh I totally agree with you, I used to play Rush Poker like a madman but I don't like Zoom. Like you said it sucks that everyone is an unknown. The only reason I played nl5 zoom was to get my thoughts away from this badplay/runbad stretch but dunno if its working, and I really have to turn this around or I'll be busto in no time and have to redeposit

You can always drop down to NL5. It's not a bad idea: lower stakes might make you play better since you'll care less about losing. In fact, I think this might be a good idea, especially since you might not be aggressive enough (I wouldn't go as far as saying "scared money") so getting the stakes down might encourage you to be more aggressive, which I think is probably important for your game.

I actually dropped from 50NL to 10NL when I realized how much I suck (in my case, I was too aggro, and in the wrong spots), and I think since going down to 10NL I've gotten much better, not because I'm playing against worse players (although I guess that's part of it), but because I worry less about losing, so I can focus on playing the best I can, and playing a lot.

About zoom: apparently, zoom is considered very profitable to poker sites, since bad players lose less, so they lose their money slower, and play more hands, so they generate more rake. If bad players lose less, than winning players must be winning less, which doesn't come as a surprise. That means that the bb/100 of winning players is lower, edges are smaller, etc. . Of course, you can play more hands, but I prefer playing better poker than playing more hands. And playing better poker apparently means no zoom.

Yes I have been thinking about that but since my financial situation is sound and I still haven't busted my roll I think I re-deposit a bit and go from there. I will play nl10 at least to 20th of April since that's the day my bonus expires and I won't be able to clear it with nl5. 30 bi is lots of bi's after all. I didn't try to market Zoom in any way or come up with reasons ppl should play it I just used it for getting my mind of from the things that went on at nl10.

I had one of "those moments" again today at work when talking with my lifelong friend(same dude I have been mentioning earlier and he is a 2+2 poster too). It just takes some time to really get my head straight after a prolonged badplay/badrun and today I got over this one. And realize the fact that no matter what has happened before I will succeed in this process and won't give up. It will be amazing day when I rostucko lifetime from poker and then I will have a few drinks. I will start this by crushing nl10 and nl20.

* What I have learned from this ds is that I was still able to post hands to 2+2 and do proper hh review every day regardless of results, can't say the same about last ds.
* I tilted much less and thus spewed less money.
* Quit tables when started to feel the symptoms of lifetilt especially towards the end of this period.
* Didn't try to make things seem anyway but the way they were.


Most of these things I have been doing already I just want to make a list of them again to remind myself.

- I will devote my time even more efficiently and criticizing every hand at hh reviews more.
- At the tables I will focus on building villains range and working my bet sizing around those observations.
- Will take more notes about every session while playing and when doing the daily hh review.
- Will do more sweat sessions, would prefer one session per week.
- Will do more hh review sessions with other players.
- Continue posting 2 hands pre day to 2+2 uNL, no excuses, you can always find 2 hands from a session where you were not sure about your actions.
- Continue filling in my "poker diary" after each session and after each hh review I do, about that sessions hands.
- Watch the Eightfold Path to Poker Enlightment and make more notes about every episode
- Refrain from posting 100bb standard hands to this thread, no one is interested about your misery
- Post good hands that you actually had problems with, and hopefully the community will give some feedback.
- I will rant less ITT


Also, any suggestions other than those how to make this thread more interesting?

Forgot the threadsaver:



P.S. Can some lurker tell me what is the point of these, At least on other threads they seem to get some comments but clearly I am not doing it right

HAHA this one was hilarious. I felt like I was doing ok then looked at hm and crapped my pants, here is why:



Biggest lost hands:

AK PFAI against QQ -100bb
http://weaktight.com/4499549
http://weaktight.com/4499550
http://weaktight.com/4499552
http://weaktight.com/4499555 - loose pre here it was funny he had AK
http://weaktight.com/4499558

Biggest winning hands:

http://weaktight.com/4499564
http://weaktight.com/4499567
http://weaktight.com/4499569

Yeah, I think you misunderstood me. When I said "Of course, you can play more hands, but I prefer playing better poker than playing more hands. And playing better poker apparently means no zoom", I was talking about myself. I've been playing zoom and have been having a horrible time but couldn't stop ("ZOMG, so many hands! 84o -- fold! 92s -- fold! yey! yey! fold! fold! AQs UTG.... hmmm, can play. Oh, BB calls and then donks into me -- fold, fold fold fold!") it's just so tempting! So many hands! I'll stop drooling on my keyboard. Anyway, this zoom thing is crack for poker players, and I was explaining to myself why I shouldn't play it, through the medium of your thread. In other words, this time *I* was ranting in the thread.

Anyway, keep going with the NL10. I feel it's right for me as well, actually. It feels silly fighting for 5$. 10$ is the first stack amount that seems to have any significance to me, emotionally, and that's why I'm not going lower than that. I still am not consistently beating NL10 for a reasonable winrate myself, by the way. I feel I do know the theory, and the practice is somewhere way out there. The sentiment is that once I actually learn to play as I know rather than as I feel-like-this-moment, I'll be able to actually apply all the theory that I think I know, and actually succeed in winning consistently (rather than taking two steps forward and one step back). It's not even tilt: if it was tilt I'd have a word for it. Rather, it's, well, it's lack of self-control. I want to play as I know I should, but just can't bring myself to do it. I bluffcatch way too wide (what's worse is that sometimes I'm right, which only encourages me to bluffcatch, despite it being -EV overall), and I don't bluff enough in spots where I should (because sometimes it fails and I only remember the times it fails, not the times it succeeds).

The rest of your thread was mighty inspirational. Really.

I lolled here:
It's funny, that's another one of those things you do despite yourself. Maybe we should start a self-help group for obsessive people who can't control themselves (I'm talking about me again, feel free to identify or not). We can call it "2p2 OCD clinic". We'll be a hit.

Yeah that zoom can be helluva addicting but I think its -ev in the long run so I'll just pass it up and I was a hopeless nl5 Rush addict and lost loads of money.

On the second part you pretty much described my feelings as well. I think you know a good bit more than I do but still over the years I have accustomed a pretty good picture about what is right and wrong at the micros and at which situation. I just have to find a way to make them all connect at once.
Making that list of things I'll focus on made me a little bit proud since I feel like I am still persistent and can see some of the flaws I do and try and plug them.

I think most ppl are too full of themselves to even realize the fact they are not able to have self-control and make up excuses inside their heads to justify them. Still hit material!

Hello again, just an update about yesterdays grind.
I felt a bit disappointed with yet another red session but at least now it was breakeven and I was able to recover from -3bi

Graph:



Session started again with 2 suckouts at the beginning, where i shoved AK pre against 30/30/33.3 and shove KK OTF.





Villain was 25/17/4.7 but I hadn't collided with him that often this was the first hand I got reads form him.

Prima Network $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BB: $10.00 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 16, 3B: 4, AF: 3.6, Hands: 187
UTG: $15.51 - VPIP: 64, PFR: 34, 3B: 0, AF: 1.6, Hands: 53
Hero (MP): $12.14 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 19, 3B: 8, AF: 2.5, Hands: 28632
CO: $10.15 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 16, 3B: 5, AF: 1.6, Hands: 496
BTN: $6.59 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 6, 3B: 0, AF: 0.4, Hands: 18
SB: $10.00 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 13, 3B: 6, AF: 3.5, Hands: 1017

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with A 5
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, CO calls $0.40, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.95) 8 K J (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.95) T (2 players)
Hero bets $0.30, CO raises to $1.05, Hero calls $0.75

River: ($3.05) K (2 players)
Hero bets $3.05, CO raises to $8.70, Hero calls $5.65


Anon table, no reads cant remember his stats anymore at the time of the hand.


Prima Network $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter


BTN: $10.00
Hero (SB): $37.04


Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with Q Q
1 fold, MP raises to $0.30, 1 fold, BTN raises to $0.90, Hero raises to $2.10, 2 folds, BTN calls $1.20

Flop: ($4.60) 6 J 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.05, BTN calls $3.05

Turn: ($10.70) J (2 players)
Hero bets $4.90, BTN calls $4.85 all in

River: ($20.40) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)


At the time of the hand villain was unknown,



Prima Network $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $6.27 - VPIP: 36, PFR: 22, 3B: 5, AF: 0.8, Hands: 110
SB: $10.00 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 19, 3B: 15, AF: 4.5, Hands: 156
BB: $10.00 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 16, 3B: 4, AF: 3.6, Hands: 187
UTG: $41.21 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 12, 3B: 3, AF: 3.1, Hands: 297
MP: $29.50 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 14, 3B: 7, AF: 2.9, Hands: 1581
Hero (CO): $10.15 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 19, 3B: 8, AF: 2.5, Hands: 28632

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with Q Q
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, BB raises to $1.30, Hero raises to $2.80, BB raises to $10, Hero calls $7.20

Flop: ($20.05) 2 4 9 (2 players)

Turn: ($20.05) T (2 players)

River: ($20.05) 7 (2 players)


Again anon table


Prima Network $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): $11.79
CO: $7.33

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 7 7
CO checks, BTN raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.20, CO calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.95) 6 7 3 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.65, CO calls $0.65, BTN folds

Turn: ($2.25) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50

River: ($5.25) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $4.90, CO calls $4.88 all in


Here I should have prolly folded to the PSB OTT but villain was so aggressive and if he hit the board in any way he was bombing it, anon table


Prima Network $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BTN: $14.53
Hero (SB): $21.79


Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with K Q
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, CO checks, BTN raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.15, 1 fold, MP calls $0.10, CO calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.90) 8 K 6 (4 players)
Hero bets $0.70, MP folds, CO folds, BTN raises to $1.90, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($4.70) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $4.70, Hero calls $4.70

River: ($14.10) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $7.05, Hero calls $7.05


Here probably the same thing, anon table, villain was 47/21/21.1 at the time of the hand but he seemed pretty bad postflop


Prima Network $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

SB: $4.12 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AF: 0.9, Hands: 182
BB: $19.74 - VPIP: 45, PFR: 20, 3B: 21, AF: 5.5, Hands: 91
CO: $12.19 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 16, 3B: 3, AF: 2.9, Hands: 194
Hero (BTN): $11.43 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 19, 3B: 8, AF: 2.5, Hands: 28632

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with J J
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, BB raises to $1.60, Hero calls $1.20

Flop: ($3.25) 5 T T (2 players)
BB bets $1.80, Hero calls $1.80

Turn: ($6.85) 2 (2 players)
BB bets $16.34, Hero calls $8.03 all in

River: ($22.91) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Comments on hands:

Hand 1 (A5s): fold pre, no reason to play A5s from MP. if you don't fold pre, you can definitely cbet this, since a lot of his range is Ax and small pocket pairs, most of which fold (what's his fold to cbet stat? If you really want well-thought-out comments you should probably give the relevant stats). If you do decide to skip cbetting and instead to bet the turn, bet bigger. a bet of 3BB doesn't achieve anything, it's just asking to be exploited. Call his raise is correct, since you only need a bit of implied odds, which you probably have. On the river, I play it the same as you readless. If he was really solid I guess you can fold river (since a solid player only reps a boat here) but in 10NL I'm essentially never folding here.

Hands 2,3 (QQ): wp, both of them. You might be feeling silly about the second one, stacking off against someone with 4% 3bet, but remember this is overall 3bet, not positional, and you opened from CO, which means you have a wide range. (Plus, you say he was unknown when this hand happened). There's nothing wrong with flatting this IP, but I'm happy stacking off as well.

Hand 4 (77): you know full well that this is spew. Turn bet is somewhat questionable, and once he calls it, betting on the river is grossly -EV, IMO. Notice there's only one 7 left in the deck, so it's even hard for him to have top pair. You're sometimes getting value from overpairs here, but I think this is way too thin. I'm not sure what's a good line here, since the turn card is so gross. On the turn, check-fold seems weak. Check-call seems weak (but valid). Check-raise as a semibluff (he'll often fold straights and you have 10 outs vs flushes) is fine, and you don't necessarily have to be afraid I don't think you have to be so afraid of giving a free card here since the board is so gross as it is (I wish you had a club in your hand, but whatever). Betting is questionable as I said, but does serve to give us value from various hands with a high club, maybe overpairs, from 98, etc. . If one bet goes in and we get to the river, I don't know what to do. On the table I probably check-call, but check-fold might be better. Really depends on villain type. Oh, and I like the donk bet.

Hand 5 (KQ): This hand is an SPR nightmare (search for SPR on twoplustwo). You're playing a multiway flop in a high-SPR situation. One-pair hands have terrible RIO here. It's one of those SPR nightmares, where each decision separately seems meh, but put together you end up stacking off with a one-pair hand 140BB deep when 4 players saw the flop: not an enticing proposition. I probably 3-bet pre to around 1$. As played, I probably bet flop, shrug-call the raise, and puke-fold the turn when he pots it (75 just got there, so the only legit semibluff he has is 97, compared with the oodles of strong made hands; and I don't think he pots it here with KJ; if he half-potted it, I would probably call again). The river might have saved your ass, since some donks will play AA or AK like this, thinking they're being tricky, but I assume he had some set or 75 or something. It's just a bad-SPR situation, leading to a bad risk-reward ratio for you. You have to let these go at some point, probably on the turn. If it was heads-up, maybe stacking off wouldn't be horrible, but in a 4-way flop, this seems suicidal (of course, hindsight runs TAG stats at 20/20).

Hand 6 (JJ): I 4-bet pre. With his 3-bet range, no reason to not charge him more to see a flop. Also, size it big: 5$ or so, and stack off on any flop (you can also just shove, but I think betting to 4.5$ or 5$ is a little better EV since this type of players sometimes play a little better than usual when their only options are call/fold and they can't raise). As played, flop is not great, but you have to go with it. Call down, as you did. If he indeed had you beat, unlucky, but this is a solid calldown against this villain.

hand 1 I should have folded pre dunno why I opened it

hand 4 with sevens I dont think its all as bad as you make it sound other than that river bet. x/f would have been better, maybe x/f turn too or x/c a small bet

hand 5 I won this pot he had K8. yeah us being deep here makes it complicated because our hand is so often dominated. I agree with 3betting pre makes things easier when we are oop postflop.

hand 6 dunno why I didnt 4bet, I think I was just scared a bit since I have been getting so crushed with pfai situations, he had AK with a club btw

Played a session today and I felt really really good. I was folding hands like JTs from UTG which I haven't done so I felt nice being able to play a bit tighter. I did one stupid call otr again when villain had the nuts against my second nuts and one marginal raise on turn.

Still ended up +7e so not a bad day and it was a first winning session in ages.

I can't provide any hands or graphs since there was some problem today that hm2 hud didnt work at microgaming and even hands didn't import but I was so fired up to grind so I didn't let it slow me down.

If I didn't do those 2 mistakes I would have been up 2-3bi so it's getting better. Other than that I was really pleased with the way I bet / folded when I intended to and didn't talk myself into calling when faced a raise.

I was looking for a threadsaver to post since there was no graphs to post, but no one seems interested in savers so I'll just skip it.

The new update recovered the hands and the graph and it was +9e but I won't be posting any hand histories for today all the hands seemed pretty clear to me I was giving a bit too little credit to villains that worked for me and against me. (4card straight but villain missed but called anyway) Ill hit the tables now and will update when I am finished