Hey Hawk23! Great graph and good stats Sir WP!!

Small sample obv but it looks like you've got good fundamentals for playing decent starting hands and keeping it tightish which is the way to beat these limits IMO.

Gracias - great work, doing this sort of thing will improve your game tremendously.

Great thread guys. This may be the first of its kind in PG&C and it's very refreshing.

@Gracias....in post #62 you explain how you believe villain has a 5b bluff range. That type of thinking will get you in a lot of trouble at those stakes. I've played about 300k hands of 10nl and I can count the number of times I got it in against a light 5bet using one hand.

Stick to the fundamentals and don't out think yourself. You'll move up quicker that way.

@Hawk23....Hand 2, you should just fold pre. But if you do decide to 4b light then your sizing needs to be believable. 4b to 1.35-1.50. Again, if you are worrying about 4b light at 5nl then you are missing the point of this limit. People love to call/hate to fold at this limit. More reason to bet for value almost always. Leave the bluffing for cbets or when you're IP and shown weakness.

GLGL guys!

FYP!!

Good post btw brrraat.

The guy i am referring to was a monkey and i've seen him do or more than more than a couple times. He dosn't like to fold so that's why i thought I'm 4 betting here with the intention of calling. To use my note or to just pass on it?

Very rare at this limits but there are still some people. Including me at times lol.

Another adjustment i could possibly make is just to tighten my range and open for 2bb when similar people are in the bb. Still working on my defense in 3 bet pots. My current philosophy is very aggressive post flop vs people with a wide range. ie shoving a lot of flops. Trying not to be to fit or fold.

I think it's great that you can think on a level above your opposition. That will serve you well once you move up to bigger and bigger stakes.

The right adjustment to make against this "raise happy monkey" would've been to flat his 3b IP. By flatting you get to play against his wide range, which TT is well ahead of, in position and have the advantage of controlling the pot.

By 4bing, you allow villain to play nearly perfect against us. Any hand that TT dominates, i.e., 22-99, suited connectors lower than ten, are likely folding. And the obvious, every hand that is crushing TT, (JJ+), or in a coinflip situation, (AK, AQ, KQ, etc..) is shoving over our 4b making a call -EV.

My advice for 3b pots would be to tighten up your 3b/call range IP to 99-JJ, AQs, AK and to 4b QQ+, AKs. Keep in mind that game flow, your image, your position vs the position of the open/3bettor can tweak the ranges a bit, i,e., you open MP 77, get 3b by BTN who gets flatted by both blinds giving you the odds to set mine. But the message is the same, K.I.S.S. I'm sure you know what that acronym stands for :P

I need to work on my post flop game to make hands like tt in 3bet pots more profitable. I call down lite in wrong spots, probably fold out the best hands in other spots.

As with the TT, i would have been fist pump calling with JJ so i logically thought that TT could be profitable. Can't find the hand anymore but im sure that opponent has shown up with low PP, ax 87s type of hands in his 5 bet shove range. Maybe i should run some numbers for myself to see how often such hands need to be in his range to make this profitable.

In zoom i have notice a lot of aggressive 3 bet guys, 15% +, but there stack off range is tighter. vs them i am been varying my strategy of 4bet bluffing or calling wide to take the pot down post flop.

In general this is a part of my game i need a lot of work on. lol my whole game needs a lot of work in all areas.

Peace out, D3 time.

I'm really trying to improve an area of weakness i.e. not stacking off with TPTK/overpair type hands when you suspect you're beat, but just aren't sure.

Villain hasn't gotten out of line as far as I'm concerned but at the same time has a very high aggression factor.

Really not sure if this is a fold, shove or call and re-assess (probably not).

146 hands
VPIP 21 / PFR 14 / AF 9
Fold flop c-bet 100% (5/5)



PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (UTG): $5.66
CO: $5.00
BTN: $0.91
SB: $7.08
BB: $6.53

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has K A

Hero raises to $0.17, CO calls $0.17, fold, SB calls $0.15, fold

Flop: ($0.56, 3 players) 6 K 5
SB checks, Hero bets $0.45, fold, SB calls $0.45

Turn: ($1.46, 2 players) 4
SB bets $1.20

Hawk23's AK: What was villain's 3bet stat? Can we exclude AK from his range b/c of preflop action (call)? If he's very aggro you should already have had bet sizing tells too. All in all I think it's either a fold or a call. If you called you're in big trouble if villain bets big OTR too.

Horrible. Im torn between fold and call. Not shoving as i doubt this villain calls a shove with KQ or other worse hands. I might call to keep worse in,but i struggle to see what he plays this way. My best guess would b a str8 wanting to avoid u checking behind. Would expect him to take a more standard c/raise line with a set. But if we call the turn, im not sure i'd want to call a shove on a blank river...but folding the turn seems ridic weak. Hmm probably calling turn to re-eval river

I should add, its his turn sizing that scares me - i dont think he'll ever have a draw with this sizing. Its far more often a mad hand. If he bet smaller on the turn i'd be raising for value

Exactly.

I would peel a turn.

From memory, as I'm now at work, he was 3b 8-9%. I think perhaps yes, AK can probably be excluded. My impression was set or something like 78s.

I must admit, for someone I had 146 hands on, I felt very unfamiliar with him. Whether that's because I hadn't seen him in a while, had played him at Zoom or have just been too auto-piloting, I'm not sure. I had no feel for his bet size though.

I personally thought the decision was shove of fold. I hated the calling option. I'm IP so have that on my side I guess but if I call there's really only a psb left and I'm getting excellent odds to call and it felt like calling the turn is almost committing myself anyway. During play, I felt it was fold now or commit now???

Shoving seems the far worse option for me. Why would you do that? Do you think he calls w/ 77 or 88 or 67 but would fold OTR? If he's that aggro then call him down (esp. IP).