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Gracias · 04-25-2012, 03:25 PM

H1- call turn re-evaluate river, if he bets again i think im folding.
h2- folding turn
h3- I think we have some showdown value so i think its a call or fold. Don't think a fish is going to fold a Q, and what ever he does fold i think we can beat at Show down.

Incoming tilt rage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just played a session and lost 10bi. 7 BI under ev over small sample, then tilting off a few stacks after. Oh well thats poker for the day, off to paint my room. Will grind more in the weekend.

Playing on stars so i am going to try and find $500 so i can get full value from the reload bonus. Shall grind it off at 10nl even though ill be rolled for 25nl.

Side-note; Will be getting a laptop next week.

Gracias · 04-25-2012, 03:30 PM

Here is a few videos people should look at to consolidate some concepts. My 3 betting strategy was a bit out of whack so these helped me.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...ideos-1128750/

PokerGooner1 · 04-25-2012, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Gracias

H1- call turn re-evaluate river, if he bets again i think im folding.
h2- folding turn
h3- I think we have some showdown value so i think its a call or fold. Don't think a fish is going to fold a Q, and what ever he does fold i think we can beat at Show down.

Incoming tilt rage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just played a session and lost 10bi. 7 BI under ev over small sample, then tilting off a few stacks after. Oh well thats poker for the day, off to paint my room. Will grind more in the weekend.

Playing on stars so i am going to try and find $500 so i can get full value from the reload bonus. Shall grind it off at 10nl even though ill be rolled for 25nl.

Side-note; Will be getting a laptop next week.

Yeah with you on the tilt monkey front. Dropped 4BI at 10nl. Combination of horrible runbad and rage tilting afterwards.

What a moron.

Hawk23 · 04-25-2012, 05:38 PM

Join the club guys. Some run bad combined with some frustrated spew :-)

I was down 9 BI at 5NL yesterday. Can't even imagine running bad and playing bad that it would be possible. It was. Dropped about 13 BI at 5NL over 4 days

So I made the intelligent decision to have a one table crack at 25NL and recouped $30. Obviously poor BRM decision but sometimes when things aren't working at the real micros I lose value of the $ and find stacks are easier to lose. When I have a crack higher, I tend to sharpen up a bit because the $ start to mean something again.

Will not make a habit of it. Did the job of helping the roll bounce back a little and provide a little confidence but realise I need to keep at the 5NL grind for now.

PokerGooner1 · 04-25-2012, 05:43 PM

Lol wtf is wrong with us all?! I'm sure we're sensible, rational people off the tables who wouldn't take £10 out of our pocket, rip it up and throw it into the breeze. So why do we basically do this at the poker table? Time after time. So ****ing stupid.

Having said all that, since i've deposited the $500 on Stars for the bonus, i'm now rolled for 16nl and i'll be taking a 4 BI shot starting tomorrow ...

I hope this ends well.

blufffold · 04-25-2012, 05:43 PM

Hawk, maybe you should implement a stop loss? I know I always get it in my head to "make the money back" that I lost but it usually just ends up getting worse. I try to stick to a 3BI stop-loss.

Hawk23 · 04-25-2012, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by blufffold

Hawk, maybe you should implement a stop loss? I know I always get it in my head to "make the money back" that I lost but it usually just ends up getting worse. I try to stick to a 3BI stop-loss.

Until yesterday I had been. It's good advice. Yesterday I just didn't think I was playing badly so decided to stick at it. In hindsight, I made some much more higher variance plays which I normally wouldn't. Unfortunately for me I actually made the right reads and got the money in good and still lost but the play was definitely a higher variance line than I'd normally take.

Eg. On the Btn with Ah 9h and make standard 3x open. BB is playing 38/38 and a 3b% of 55 (5/9). He 3b again as usual and I jam on him. He calls with Jh Th (lol, yeah got ya).... xxx JJ. nh, wp.

@ Gooner ->

Hand 1 - First observation - why are you are this table? This looks like a tough table without an obvious target. It's a table with very small edges that perhaps relies on a cooler rather than getting value v fish. However, as played, I think I check/fold or bet/fold. I don't like calling against this opponent who can make us make another tough decision on the river.

Hand 2 -> Tough spot here. His bet sizing screams value. Raising would be awful if he shoved on us because we have a hand with value. However, calling once again leaves us with another river decision. Not sure here. Perhaps I fold turn but interested in everyone's thoughts?

Hand 3 -> I honestly just fold PF but I'm a nit

. Don't mind your flop play but I think I just check behind on the turn now with s/down value and see what he does on the river, hoping to pick off a bluff or bet myself if he checks again.

LolDonkamentz · 04-26-2012, 02:46 AM

High variance plays are fine so long as they're +ev overall and you play within your bankroll

ZooomBE · 04-26-2012, 03:27 AM

I basically have the same goals as you guys

might it be a possibility to join the group, maybe? or something like that

Roarr · 04-26-2012, 04:01 AM

I was having a pretty terrible session yesterday at CAPs, down around 13 BI at one point, but slowly concentrated and grinded my way back up for a $20 profit over the day, It's important to remember that no matter how bad you think it gets during a session, just sit back and take a deep breath and put your A game on, things do turn around just as fast.

04-26-2012, 08:19 AM

hey is there a way to join you guys?

Agameorbust · 04-26-2012, 12:22 PM

saw how this project started, and so far im liking how this is working out. sad for me though , i opted not to join since i'll be on vacation next week and i didnt want to ruin everyone's momentum.

GL to you guys, i've sub'd now so i'll be following you, and pretending my PGC is in line with yours hahaha.

Gracias · 05-12-2012, 02:36 AM

Back into it. Updated database so no graphs during the lock out.
Had a shot at 25nl, ran bad. Tilted worse. Back to 10nl. Gl guys.

PokerGooner1 · 05-14-2012, 08:26 AM

Hi all, how have u all been getting on since the shutdown? I’ve just updated my thread with some detail about my progress (or total lack of).

To summarise … I tilted. A lot.

My roll is about $15 below where it was 2 weeks ago, and that’s having unlocked $40 of the Stars bonus. I experimented with playing Lag, which was very enjoyable and interesting (until I went into monkey tilt mode again), so now I’m just trying to stabilise things at 5nl.

To be perfectly honest I’m too embarrassed to post any graphs. They are just one big mess of upspikes and downspikes from 2 weeks constant tilt. Hopefully at the end of this week I’ll be able to post a proper graph.

It would be great to get this thread going again, as it was shaping up to be really interesting and useful, so I hope the rest of the guys who signed up originally are planning to get back on it now 2p2 is up again.

Hawk23 · 05-14-2012, 07:59 PM

To save re-hashing, I will simply quote my post from my own challenge thread which summarises my past few weeks. Aside from tilting which I am pleased to say I am starting to control, I have experienced some similar issues to PokerGooner which plenty of spikes and swings at levels I'm not really rolled for but have enjoyed the experience regardless.

Great to be back and looking forward to this thread getting back to the HHs and strategy talk that it promised before those naughty hackers had us all twiddling our thumbs and pulling out our hair in frustrated withdrawal.

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Hi all and welcome back……hopefully everyone else has been having withdrawals as well.

Been an interesting few weeks for me in the absence of 2+2. My BR certainly hasn’t improved (in fact it has deteriorated) and I will admit I have been playing seriously under rolled. However, in light of all that, I am quite comfortable with how things have been going. Essentially two bad sessions at 25NL have negated quite a few solid winning sessions. Lost $90 and $80 on 2 separate occasions and overall for May I am down about $120 after booking a $45 profit for April at 5NL (approx. numbers as I’m posting from work). Think my Stars BR is currently around $75.

Obviously I’m not persisting with 25NL but the experience has been worthwhile. My play has been solid at both 16NL and 25NL and aside from the 2 terrible sessions I have been booking consistent wins. For the most part, I have actually been playing 16NL and while I’m not sure of the numbers, I am in front at the level and find myself really comfortable there. The reason for changing up and trying some higher levels was simply because I was running so bad at 5NL. Seems crazy but my game seems much more suited to 16NL. It wasn’t a case of move up to chase the 5NL losses either – it was just a change of scenery. I have generally played really well and I think 16NL is a great level for me. Still far more passive than 25NL where you don’t get put under nearly as much pressure and so so many fish who will just stack off with the most random crap. Did I mention how many fish are at 16NL? It’s unbelievable.

My biggest problem has been playing tired. I was up $25 the other day and came back for a late session when tired and dropped about $45 in quick time. The next day I was up a buy in at 16NL and did the same thing…..been asleep on the couch and instead of getting up and going to bed I booted up a session. No 16NL tables free so jumped into some 25NL (where I had been up until that point in time). In the space of about 100 hands I have dropped about $95 when KK < AA, KQ < AK on QJT9 board and AK and QQ lost me quite a bit when they kept hitting resistance on ugly boards.

Overall – I haven’t tilted at all (aside from what you might call playing tired tilt or playing under rolled tilt). These are mistakes no doubt and I need to improve but mostly my losses have come from simply hitting the top of a villains range or simply being coolered. I have maintained composure the whole time and really played well.

For now I am going to play 10NL until I get the roll heading upwards again and then get back to 16NL as soon as possible. $75 isn’t a lot but I also have some $ on another site which I will explain soon. I have no interest in 5NL at the moment. I feel like I’ve completely lost my game for it now because even after booking wins at 16NL I go back down and can’t find a rhythm there. I feel my game has actually improved over the past few weeks and I’m c-betting better, folding better and playing calm better. Yeah, I’m down but I know why and I know how to deal with it.

Regarding my BR, I currently have another $115 on another site which I will soon transfer when the bonus period expires at the end of this week. I think I have time to clear one more $5 bonus increment. It’s a pity I have been playing this site in only small 20 minute sessions in browser in my work lunch breaks as the $115 is pure profit but isn’t included in my PT3 graph. However, the site has sent me a block of hand histories until mid April and once I have finished here next week I will request the remaining period and upload it all into PT3. That will have the graphs looking prettier.

Basically I had no $ but some player points left on Poker Room when they re-opened their doors recently. I had enough points to buy 4 tickets to $0.55 DoN SNGs (6 max). I cashed in 3 of them and was off and running with $3 in my account. I took that to a 4NL 6 max table and quickly had it about to about $12 and from that time have been playing short sessions of 10NL 6 max in my lunch breaks at work. Along with clearing about $15 in bonuses I now have this account at $115 after starting out with nothing. Quite a nice little bonus.

Well, what a tl;dr ramble that was. Fairly ad-hoc and incoherent but it was simply a matter of putting down any and all thoughts as they came to my head. It has been about 3 weeks after all and there was some catching up to do.

Cliffs:-

Playing well but under rolled, but need to move down because I really am under rolled.
Enjoyed the experience as I sampled the differences between all the levels between 5NL and 25NL and realise my game is actually more suited to those higher levels, however at the moment my BR is not.
Good to be back on 2+2.
Haven’t been tilting.

Final thoughts – now the grind begins. Fluffing around has been great and the BR and profit/loss hasn’t been my biggest concern. I’ve been more interested in gaining some insights into the different levels and my own game and trying to get involved a bit more without tilting. All in all I would say the past few weeks have been beneficial and ignoring the bottom line, a success. However, now knowledge and mindset needs to translate into progression. Starting tonight I am attacking 10NL only and will book a profit by the end of May. Bookmark it! The graph is about to take off.