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08-30-2012, 08:22 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,312
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Re: Phoenix from the Ashes … moving up
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Originally Posted by CrackedandBroken
If I recall correctly, generally it is 260 vpps for a $10 bonus, so it should be 130 vpps for a $5. Just a guess.
EDIT: I think it is VPPs equal to 17 times the bonus amount.
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Cheers Cracked. That would be great, as the full $100 bonus would potentially be achievable.
As usual i've stepped up more quickly than planned. Started 16 tabling 5nl FR to see how it plays. So far seems ok, only 1k hands in though. I'll step back down if i drop more than 3-4 BI.
Roll is at $95. I'll post a giraffe or two once i have some more volume under my belt.
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08-30-2012, 09:22 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 556
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Re: Phoenix from the Ashes … moving up
100vpp per $5.
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08-30-2012, 12:02 PM
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#138
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old hand
Join Date: Aug 2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blackmagic16
100vpp per $5.
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cheers. Thats definitely doable. Assuming i dont tilt ...
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08-31-2012, 08:16 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,312
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Re: Phoenix from the Ashes … moving up
5nl shot is going well so far. I’m about 5 BI up over 4k hands or so.
Roll = $110 + T$13.
The main difference I’ve noticed between 2nl FR and 5nl FR is that, surprisingly, 2nl is actually much nittier. At 5nl, I’m going to be happy to get it in with QQ/AK pre, because everyone else’s stacking off range seems to be JJ+, whereas as 2nl, it almost always seemed to be KK/AA (and not always KK).
Post flop people are also getting it in way lighter. TPTK facing action at 2nl was always dead. At 5nl, they seem to spaz a lot more with worse TP or MP, which is great, so you can be more confident with TPTK.
I’ve upped my tables to 17 now my roll is big enough to accommodate that. Playing 20 seems to be the point at which I feel a little rushed. Playing 17 seems very comfortable, and I don’t miss good steal/resteal spots, which I felt I was doing a little playing 20 tables. Redline is still hovering around breakeven, which I’m pleased with.
It’s a big IF at the moment, given my small sample, but IF I can maintain 10bb/100 with this volume at 5nl, it will be very profitable indeed. But even if I continue to run well, I’m not going to consider stepping up to 10nl until I have played at least 50k hands at 5nl. I’m self-excluded from 10nl, so hopefully that will help me stick to this resolution.
I’ve basically gone away from the idea of moving up hugely and making tons of money from poker. I’m not good enough, and I tilt too much when I hit a rough patch (and no matter how good you are, variance says you’ll always hit rough patches). What I want is to have a steady income from poker each month, even if that’s only $100 or so from grinding 2nl. What I may do though is use my Full Tilt roll (assuming it gets returned) to take some shots and play a few higher games with a view to spinning it up there on a Saturday night or whatever. Grind for a solid winrate at the micros on Stars whilst I’m commuting, and shot taking a bit higher on Full Tilt at the weekend seems a good balance to aim for.
70fpp satties: 29/73 cashed.
A few hands:
Here’s one I pretty much butchered. SB has been 3betting a fair bit, so I decided this was a good spot to turn my hand into a bluff by 4betting.
I decided not to bet the flop because I don’t think he folds anything here, and I didn’t want to end up getting it in against a hand like AK  or JJ:spade which has me f*cked (and obviously he can have KK/QQ here as well, which also have me screwed). So I elected to check back and hope to bink on the turn.
On the river I’m literally always behind (he’s never going to have a worse Ax here), but when he checks I think his range most likely AK/JJ/1010 (weighted more towards AK because of how he played turn/river), so I decided my only option is to shove and hope he has AK (and doesn’t hero with it) rather than JJ/1010, which probably call.
Pretty much hideous from start to finish.
Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 1874228
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
UTG: $5.00 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 10, 3B: 2, AF: 20.0, Hands: 1693
UTG+1: $6.53 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 15, 3B: 5, AF: 4.8, Hands: 302
UTG+2: $13.55 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 14, 3B: 6, AF: 2.0, Hands: 56
Hero (MP1): $5.07 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 3.1, Hands: 273979
MP2: $2.69 - VPIP: 11, PFR: 8, 3B: 8, AF: 4.0, Hands: 36
CO: $4.89 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 10, 3B: 2, AF: 2.2, Hands: 203
BTN: $6.94 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 1.3, Hands: 150
SB: $7.50 - VPIP: 11, PFR: 8, 3B: 9, AF: 2.8, Hands: 128
BB: $3.79 - VPIP: 11, PFR: 6, 3B: 2, AF: 3.3, Hands: 198
Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP1 with A  T
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 3 folds, SB raises to $0.45, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.40, SB calls $0.95
Flop: ($2.85) 6  4  9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
Turn: ($2.85) Q (2 players)
SB bets $1.36, Hero calls $1.36
River: ($5.57) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.31
Hand 2
I’m always raising the flop here as they can easily call with worse and I don’t want to let SB set a nice cheap price for both of them to draw. When MP2 cold calls the raise, alarm bells sound. But I still think I have to bet this turn – especially as it’s a great turn for me, as it cuts down his set combos. He shouldn’t have 9x very often, and he can have AQ/AJ, or a flushdraw, so I definitely think it’s a bet (though maybe it should be slightly smaller). When he shoves the turn, I’m getting 4/1 to call, but I think I’m always dead here. I’m going to see 55 most of the time, and occasionally 99 or A9. I don’t think he ever does this with AK/AQ or a flush draw, so despite the great odds, I think I have to fold.
Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 1874229
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
BB: $5.00 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: Infinity, Hands: 23
UTG: $4.07 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: Infinity, Hands: 45
UTG+1: $5.94 - VPIP: 5, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: 0.5, Hands: 75
Hero (MP1): $9.03 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 3.1, Hands: 273986
MP2: $3.34 - VPIP: 9, PFR: 3, 3B: 9, AF: 1.0, Hands: 34
CO: $6.06 - VPIP: 9, PFR: 6, 3B: 13, AF: Infinity, Hands: 34
BTN: $6.69 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 18, 3B: 3, AF: 11.5, Hands: 192
SB: $6.15 - VPIP: 44, PFR: 3, 3B: 0, AF: 0.8, Hands: 34
Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP1 with K  A
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, MP2 calls $0.15, 2 folds, SB calls $0.13, 1 fold
Flop: ($0.50) 9  A  5 (3 players)
SB bets $0.15, Hero raises to $0.60, MP2 calls $0.60, SB folds
Turn: ($1.85) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.35, MP2 raises to $2.59, Hero folds
Hand 3
Thoughts on the line here? I’m still betting the turn for value, as he can have worse Ax, or have picked up a flushdraw/gutshot to go with a pair, so he might peel. On the river … I’m genuinely lost. Bet/fold, check/fold or check/call?
I’m not sure he calls with much worse now – I guess he can still have AQ/A10. I’m inclined to think he’d check back most of his reasonable made hands on the river, so when he bets it’s polarized, but I’d weight it more towards nuts. He can easily play a flush this way, and he could get there with a few different Jx hands which he probably bets on the river.
Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 1874230
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
UTG+2: $2.44 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 4, 3B: 11, AF: 2.5, Hands: 25
MP1: $5.00 - VPIP: 4, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: 2.5, Hands: 93
Hero (MP2): $5.00 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 3.1, Hands: 273986
CO: $11.55 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 12, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 25
BTN: $6.41 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 15, 3B: 14, AF: 0.7, Hands: 55
SB: $16.31 - VPIP: 11, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: NaN, Hands: 19
BB: $3.85 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 15, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 40
UTG: $12.63 - VPIP: 4, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: Infinity, Hands: 25
UTG+1: $5.93 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 14, 3B: 6, AF: 2.5, Hands: 51
Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP2 with A  K
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, CO calls $0.15, 3 folds
Flop: ($0.37) T  A  7 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.26, CO calls $0.26
Turn: ($0.89) K (2 players)
Hero bets $0.55, CO calls $0.55
River: ($1.99) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.05, Hero folds
Hand 4
Going for some thin value against a whale. Too thin or ok?
Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 1874231
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
SB: $2.00 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 6, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 77
Hero (BB): $5.00 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 3.1, Hands: 273986
UTG: $1.93 - VPIP: 4, PFR: 2, 3B: 0, AF: Infinity, Hands: 56
UTG+1: $2.08 - VPIP: 46, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.8, Hands: 13
MP1: $4.51 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 10, 3B: 2, AF: 2.2, Hands: 203
MP2: $5.89 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 10, 3B: 2, AF: 20.0, Hands: 1696
CO: $1.83 - VPIP: 51, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 2.5, Hands: 53
BTN: $2.00 - VPIP: 10, PFR: 8, 3B: 15, AF: Infinity, Hands: 86
Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with 7  K
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, 2 folds, CO calls $0.05, 2 folds, Hero checks
Flop: ($0.17) 4  4  7 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.10, UTG+1 calls $0.10, CO folds
Turn: ($0.37) T (2 players)
Hero bets $0.20, UTG+1 calls $0.20
River: ($0.77) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.30,
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09-01-2012, 04:36 PM
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#140
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grinder
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Brighton, UK
Posts: 626
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Re: Phoenix from the Ashes … moving up
Hey! Realised I wasn't following your thread, so I'm sub'd now!
Hand #1: Were you paying attention to which position he 3bets the most from? Is his 3bet high because of re-steals or otherwise? If you think he re-steals often then I don't mind the 4bet buff.
OTF: I don't think you can ever check this back. Maybe open up stove and look at some possibilities, but you're only a 45% dog against AxKs and a 44% dog against KxKs, QxQs, JxJs. Getting it in against any of these hands isn't a bad thing considering how much money you've already put in the pot.
As played I'm not sure you can even call OTT. OTR you could well be right that he has an A-high sort of hand, but you look so weak he might just lol-call a 1/3PSB. It's not a very convincing bluff.
Hand #2: I think you make a bet-sizing mistake OTT if you're going to fold when he shoves for less than your bet. He looks like a nit over a limited sample size, but I'm not convinced once you raised OTF that he would just call with a set on that board. I think once the board pairs he could well have a Ax hand. Granted, you could be beaten here, but once you bet that much, I just don't think you can fold. I also think, given his stats/position, he's unlikely to have an 9x hand, but then again, sometimes nits do weird things...
Hand #3: I think you could bet more OTF and OTT, but definitely easy fold OTR.
Hand #4: Maybe bit more OTF, but I think it's okay if you've seen him call down with worse hands.
Results?
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09-02-2012, 09:43 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,312
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Re: Phoenix from the Ashes … moving up
Hey mentatat, hows your daughter? Getting any poker time? Cheers for your thoughts on the hands. Results wise, hand 1 i got hugely lucky and villain folded river. Hand 4, villain had a crappy tpnk and i value towned myself
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09-03-2012, 07:04 AM
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#142
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old hand
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,312
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Re: Phoenix from the Ashes … moving up
Here’s the giraffe for my FR play at 5nl so far.
Pleased with how it’s going – 13k hands in, $65 profit, running at about 10bb. 10bb is a really important benchmark for me – I’m 18 tabling, and I hope that doing so I’ll be able to hit 100k hands a month. 10bb would therefore equate to $500 a month profit, which would be immense.
To be honest my basic target is to keep my winrate at 5bb or better, as this will give me a nice level of profit, but I do think that if I play well and run ok then 10bb is possible.
Again I’m very pleased with my redline – I feel like I must be doing something right postflop if it’s staying near level whilst playing 18 tables. I do need to sort out my turn barrelling frequency though – when I was playing 6 max and fewer tables my turn cbet was up at 60%+, but since playing 5nl FR it’s dropped a lot, and I’ve got into more of a ‘one and done’ mindset. I think this is because everyone seems tighter so I don’t expect them to fold the turn if they call the flop but I’m definitely missing some good barrel spots. I’ll check my stats later but I think I’m cbetting the flop less as well – I’m more prepared to just c/fold high cards when I miss, which I don’t think is a bad thing.
I still need to 3bet more as well – at the moment I’m not 3bet bluffing nearly enough.
Bankroll is all over the place at the moment because I redeposited to take advantage of the WCOOP reload bonus. If I can keep up this volume, I hope I can release the full $100, which would be a nice bankroll boost. I’ve also just unlocked the next $50 Stellar bonus as well.
I have to say how impressed I was with the Stars customer service. Before I redeposited, I took out the full roll I had in there at the time ($110) because I don’t want to keep more than necessary online. But then when I redeposited, it didn’t give me an option to enter the bonus code. I checked this with Stars, and they said that because I had made a withdrawal before the redeposit (and the withdrawal was during the reload bonus period) this made me ineligible for the reload bonus – to which there could be no exceptions. I emailed back and said that I did not realise that was the case (there was no warning when I withdrew that doing so would make me ineligible for the WCOOP bonus), and that I had clearly deposited with the intention of qualifying for the reload bonus. I asked them to make an exception for a loyal customer over what had clearly been a misunderstanding, and to my surprise they said that as a gesture of goodwill they would reinstate me as eligible for the bonus.
So a very big thumbs up to Stars for their decision – it’s the sort of thing that will make me stay playing at Stars instead of going elsewhere. Now to grind out the bonus …
Here are a few hands. Ignore my stats – I’m running 14/10 at FR.
Hand 1
Villain is decent and fairly agro. I bet smallish on the flop as mostly everyone has whiffed this, so I want to keep hands like 88/1010 in for at least one street.
SB c/raises big. I guess here he could have AK (though he may 3bet this pre), KK (though highly likely to 3bet pre), 99, a big draw (QJ, two high spades), pair plus big draw, maybe even air (but I doubt that in this spot given UTG+1 called as well). I’m not sure he’s raising KQ/KJ here, but I guess he could be.
We’re very deep (160bb+) so I elected to call the flop – I feel like if I reraised, he’d only continue with the hands that crush me (99/KK) or hands with a lot of equity like Q  J  ), and he’d fold all his Kx/9x. Therefore I called the flop, intending to try to get it in on a blank turn, and use my position.
The turn blanks, and he bets half pot. This now looks more like a draw – I’d imagine he’d go bigger with 99. So I elected to shove, hoping he’d feel like he’d put enough in to justify calling it off. I could have raised smaller, but I didn’t want to give him the chance to bink more easily on the river – if I raised smaller, I’d have put so much in I couldn’t really fold on any  , A or 10 river.
Are we happy with my line on each street? Happy stacking off here? Would you reraise the flop?
Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 1879820
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
MP2: $5.80 - VPIP: 7, PFR: 4, 3B: 6, AF: 1.5, Hands: 68
CO: $12.48 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 0, AF: 0.8, Hands: 139
BTN: $5.00 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 10, 3B: 5, AF: 2.2, Hands: 284
SB: $14.97 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 9, 3B: 6, AF: 4.0, Hands: 314
BB: $12.44 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 14, 3B: 8, AF: 1.0, Hands: 56
Hero (UTG): $7.97 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 3.1, Hands: 283875
UTG+1: $5.00 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 16, 3B: 3, AF: 1.1, Hands: 85
UTG+2: $6.11 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 12, 3B: 1, AF: 1.5, Hands: 1387
MP1: $5.00 - VPIP: 7, PFR: 4, 3B: 4, AF: Infinity, Hands: 45
Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG with 6  6
Hero raises to $0.15, UTG+1 calls $0.15, 5 folds, SB calls $0.13, 1 fold
Flop: ($0.50) 9  K  6 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, SB raises to $1.20, Hero calls $0.95, UTG+1 folds
Turn: ($3.15) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $1.50, Hero raises to $6.62,
Hand 2
Bluffing a fish. On the flop I called with some equity (gutter, BDSD, overcard) – and I may well have the best hand anyway. On the turn he now looks like a draw judging by his sizing. All the draws missed on the river, so I put him all in when he checks to me.
Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 1879821
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
BB: $1.78 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 3, 3B: 0, AF: Infinity, Hands: 29
Hero (UTG): $8.19 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 3.1, Hands: 283875
UTG+1: $8.00 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 10, 3B: 5, AF: 3.3, Hands: 157
UTG+2: $5.07 - VPIP: 6, PFR: 3, 3B: 0, AF: NaN, Hands: 33
MP1: $12.34 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 5, 3B: 6, AF: Infinity, Hands: 39
MP2: $11.26 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 13, 3B: 4, AF: 0.9, Hands: 234
CO: $5.09 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 10, 3B: 5, AF: 2.2, Hands: 284
BTN: $10.61 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 9, 3B: 6, AF: 4.0, Hands: 314
SB: $12.56 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 8, 3B: 1, AF: 4.8, Hands: 202
Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG with Q  A
Hero raises to $0.15, 7 folds, BB calls $0.10
Flop: ($0.32) J  K  5 (2 players)
BB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30
Turn: ($0.92) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30
River: ($1.52) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.09,
Hand 3
Flop the nuts, then the turn puts a flush on the board. I think from the way villain has played the hand a flush is definitely in his range, but equally he can have worse given that he’s a drooler. Happy calling the turn shove or do you find a fold?
Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players - View hand 1879822
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
UTG+1: $8.88 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 2, 3B: 2, AF: 2.0, Hands: 167
MP: $4.17 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 8, 3B: 3, AF: 7.5, Hands: 120
CO: $5.00 - VPIP: 11, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: Infinity, Hands: 46
BTN: $7.48 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 13, 3B: 6, AF: 0.7, Hands: 119
SB: $5.83 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 2, 3B: 0, AF: 7.0, Hands: 42
Hero (BB): $7.55 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 3.1, Hands: 283875
UTG: $5.60 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 24
Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with 4  3
2 folds, MP calls $0.05, 2 folds, SB calls $0.03, Hero checks
Flop: ($0.15) 6  5  2 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.10, MP raises to $0.20, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.70, MP calls $0.50
Turn: ($1.55) T (2 players)
Hero bets $1.11, MP raises to $3.42, Hero calls $2.31
River: ($8.39) J (2 players)
Hand 4
Standard turn fold against this guy?
Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 1879823
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
UTG+1: $2.42 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 12, 3B: 6, AF: Infinity, Hands: 58
MP1: $6.00 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 7.0, Hands: 54
MP2: $4.07 - VPIP: 47, PFR: 16, 3B: 0, AF: 0.1, Hands: 19
Hero (CO): $7.55 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 3.1, Hands: 283875
BTN: $5.41 - VPIP: 9, PFR: 8, 3B: 2, AF: 2.0, Hands: 117
SB: $2.45 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 6, 3B: 3, AF: 2.6, Hands: 212
BB: $5.00 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 6, 3B: 3, AF: 0.8, Hands: 105
UTG: $5.75 - VPIP: 10, PFR: 6, 3B: 0, AF: 3.5, Hands: 159
Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with Q  Q
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, BB raises to $0.45, Hero calls $0.30
Flop: ($0.92) 2  6  T (2 players)
BB bets $0.66, Hero calls $0.66
Turn: ($2.24) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $1.61, Hero folds
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09-03-2012, 03:42 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Brighton, UK
Posts: 626
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Re: Phoenix from the Ashes … moving up
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Originally Posted by PokerGooner1
Hey mentatat, hows your daughter? Getting any poker time? Cheers for your thoughts on the hands. Results wise, hand 1 i got hugely lucky and villain folded river. Hand 4, villain had a crappy tpnk and i value towned myself
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She's doing well, thank you  . Albeit a bit grumpy at times!
Still play, but not as 'serious'. Been playing PLO10 Zoom lately. I've been enjoying learning the game. Ran 4BIs under EV over 250 hands one session, though = SWINGS! Overall I think I'm down a few BIs over 6K hands. I think there's quite a lot of value in the game if you learn to be disciplined and to know when to get stacks in. But if you have any sort of tilt issues, then it's probably a dangerous game to play.
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09-03-2012, 05:48 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Brighton, UK
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Re: Phoenix from the Ashes … moving up
Hand #1: I think you're right with your analysis, IMHO. I think considering the stack sizes it's difficult to get all the money in on the flop and keep in his combo draws. I suppose he would need to 4bet-shove and how can he think he's ahead when you 3bet so deep?
If he feigns weakness OTT with his small bet and shows up with 99, then I think he deserves your stack. I guess the only thing to consider would be whether shoving folds out his range that you beat. I would need to number crunch to work out the EV of calling and then calling/shoving any non straightening/flush card that comes in. I think you could make an argument for shoving any spade that comes if he checks back as well. As he could be check/folding a set. Maybe we're making the hand unnecessarily tricky though, and over-estimating our opponent. Interesting hand, though!
Hand #2: If you think he's drawing couldn't you check back with A-high? Not sure - trying to get fish to fold isn't always a great game plan. I think he might call even with some weird pair.
Hand #3: He's pretty aggro, which makes me wonder if that makes his flop bet/call more likely to be a FD. Not sure I like calling the shove as our hand can't improve (not like we have a set versus the flush), so it really is down to whether he's capable of semi-bluffing with a high spade. I probably sigh-fold. I suppose it might come down to how you perceive his play up until now. I wouldn't say his stats make him look particularly like a complete drooler, yet that's how you see him, so maybe there's more to that.
Hand #4: I think so. Pretty low 3bet. No point trying to bluff-shove as he probably has an over-pair and you know micro-players don't like folding over-pairs! Especially if he has the Ac or Kc. Regardless, he seems pretty passive so I'd tend to take his word for it.
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09-04-2012, 07:12 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,312
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Re: Phoenix from the Ashes … moving up
There are times when this game just makes you want to cry. I just wrote a long post with lots of **** in, bemoaning my luck again.
I’m not going to post it.
All I will say is, next time I post a graph you’ll see it drop almost vertically, as though it’s just fallen off the edge of a cliff, for around 8 BI. I want to assure you that for once it wasn’t tilt. This was losing to the most astonishing collection of coolers I can remember in a while – and I have more than my fair share as it is.
Let’s just say that open folding every time I flop a set is the only way I can avoid getting stacked at the moment. Does everyone else lose with sets this often – like 50% of the time all the money goes in? Oh, and I should open fold full houses as well, because villain is guaranteed to have quads.
My winrate has been decimated – it went from 10bb to 6bb in about an hour. Wonderful.
Back to the grind …
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09-04-2012, 07:34 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 392
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Re: Phoenix from the Ashes … moving up
The old re-deposit / nearing a bonus demon rears its head again. I swear as soon as ps is about to give me money, it duly gives with one hand and takes with the other.
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09-05-2012, 07:08 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,312
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Re: Phoenix from the Ashes … moving up
I’ve managed to undo most of the damage of that horrific downswing – I’ve made about 6BI back. I think I’ll stick to posting graphs at the end of each week, so you can have a look then.
I’m approaching 20k hands at 5nl now and running at 7.5bb, so not too shabby. Would like to get that winrate a little higher, but given the volume I can achieve 18 tabling it’s not too bad.
I’ve made a couple of strategy adjustments which I’m experimenting with. The first is buying in deep at each table. I’m hoping it will give more scope to win bigger pots, and also to put more pressure on post flop, but I’ll see – so far I’ve managed to lose the biggest couple of pots I’ve played!
The other is that, having looked through my database, I’ve noticed that when I 3bet with AA/KK (or any hand for that matter) I don’t get called very often, and I very rarely win a big pot when I do get called. I think with AA/KK, because I have blockers they so rarely show up with a big hand, and they just always fold to the 3 bet. Villains simply aren’t stacking off pre very often – I’ve only been able to get AIPF with AA 3 times in 20k hands – and that’s raising or 3betting every time with AA.
So I’m going to experiment with only calling raises with AA/KK rather than 3betting, and then playing them like the nuts post flop, hoping that people won’t put me on AA/KK and I can get them to stack off a little lighter with smaller overpairs or tptk type hands – the sort of hands they would fold to a 3bet pre. Obviously this is going to be higher variance, but as long as I’m prepared to fold, particularly on wet boards and when it goes multi way, then hopefully it will prove profitable.
I think I’ll continue to 3bet AK and QQ, because I’m far more happy to end the hand pre with those rather than risk going multiway, and I’ll mix in a few bluffs with SCs/suited Ax/Kx to try to keep my 3bet range slightly wider. I know this strategy will be highly exploitable higher up, but I’m counting on the fact that your average 5nl reg won’t be able to take advantage.
I’ll give it a decent sample and see how it works out. Anyone have any thoughts on this, or other adjustments I should consider?
70fpp satties: 30/79 cashed.
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09-05-2012, 02:50 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 392
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Re: Phoenix from the Ashes … moving up
Back to one of your previous rants on losing with sets, I thought I would take my last session as an "average" session.
450 hands ish
Sets
Flopped 4. Won 3 of them. In 2 of them the villan folded pre showdown. 2 went to showdown and I won one and lost one for full stacks.
Last edited by CrackedandBroken; 09-05-2012 at 03:16 PM.
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09-05-2012, 03:24 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,312
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Re: Phoenix from the Ashes … moving up
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrackedandBroken
Back to one of your previous rants on losing with sets, I thought I would take my last session as an "average" session.
450 hands ish
Sets
Flopped 4. Won 3 of them. In 2 of them the villan folded pre showdown. 2 went to showdown and I won one and lost one for full stacks.
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What i'd give to run that good
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09-05-2012, 06:19 PM
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#150
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journeyman
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 392
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Re: Phoenix from the Ashes … moving up
But lost aipf with aces 3 out of 4 times. 2 were vs short stacks so damage limitation there. Had more luck with kings.
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