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08-08-2012, 02:41 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 241
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Re: Moving up NL10->NL25 in one month + Gold Star status on Stars
My session win-streak of 14 in a row is gone
Second session of the day done:
61,6 minutes - 1143 hands
Result= -1,95$ EV Adjusted= -9,12$
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08-08-2012, 07:19 PM
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#47
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journeyman
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 241
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Re: Moving up NL10->NL25 in one month + Gold Star status on Stars
Third session of the day done:
110,8 minutes - 2008 hands
Result= 9,60$ EV Adjusted= -13,65$
This session was really frustrating, 4-betted on my 3-betbluffs constantly, and ended up in some ugly setups.
Can't complain about one of the last hands though
Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($10.18)
SB ($12.97)
BB ($10)
UTG ($15.71)
UTG+1 ($10.22)
Hero (MP1) ($27.08)
MP2 ($9.80)
MP3 ($7.10)
CO ($20.97)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K  , K
2 folds, Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold, MP3 raises $7.10 (All-In), CO raises $20.97 (All-In), 3 folds, Hero calls $20.67
Flop: ($49.19) J  , J  , 3 (3 players, 2 all-in)
Turn: ($49.19) 9 (3 players, 2 all-in)
River: ($49.19) 5 (3 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $49.19
Dunno why it doesn't show, but I won. Was up against AK and QQ. I was on the edge of folding pre. But a person going randomly all-in can be so wide, and way more often AK/AQ than AA. The guy calling had 14/9 stats and didn't seem like a person afraid of getting it in(other stats). If he had just called, that would look way more of AA, than the all-in he made.
It wasn't a fistpump call though, since I knew it was on the edge, and with huge variance, which I dislike.
Last edited by Coolossus; 08-08-2012 at 07:25 PM.
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08-09-2012, 11:58 AM
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#48
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journeyman
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 241
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Re: Moving up NL10->NL25 in one month + Gold Star status on Stars
First session of the day done:
97,6 minutes - 1836 hands
Result= -41,96$ EV Adjusted= -36,98$
Had a hand that I'm not sure if was spewy on river.
Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (Button) ($12.92)
SB ($14.11)
BB ($22.61)
UTG ($13.69)
UTG+1 ($5)
MP1 ($6.11)
MP2 ($12.91)
MP3 ($13.22)
CO ($3.18)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A  , Q
6 folds, Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold, BB raises $0.80, Hero calls $0.60
Flop: ($1.85) A  , Q  , 7 (2 players)
BB bets $1.10, Hero calls $1.10
Turn: ($4.05) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50
River: ($9.05) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $8.42, Hero calls $8.42 (All-In)
Total pot: $25.89
Villain was unknown 6 hands 33/17 25%agg
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08-09-2012, 12:10 PM
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#49
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grinder
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 664
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Re: Moving up NL10->NL25 in one month + Gold Star status on Stars
This is a snap call even if he only does this with AA,KK, AK and AQ with still have 72% here judging by his stats he probably has alot more bluffs and probably some weaker value hands, e.g A7, A5. what was his 3bet % BTW
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08-09-2012, 01:15 PM
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#50
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journeyman
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 241
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Re: Moving up NL10->NL25 in one month + Gold Star status on Stars
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...ip-pf-1232374/
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...t-oop-1232373/
Hands from last session
@BH2 only had 6 hands on him, so no 3bet%. I just can't see AK doing that shove on river, and his sizing on c-betting looks very standard for a reg who's value betting.
He could have both 77 and 55. Also tiny chance for AA and QQ. Again, why would he just shove that river with AK? Do he expect to be called by AJ? proberly not imo.
He also did the typical time thing, taking a few seconds extra before he shoved river, which is typical for many regs to do when they want to be called by as much as possible.
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08-09-2012, 02:42 PM
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#51
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grinder
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 664
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Re: Moving up NL10->NL25 in one month + Gold Star status on Stars
[QUOTE
@BH2 only had 6 hands on him, so no 3bet%. I just can't see AK doing that shove on river, and his sizing on c-betting looks very standard for a reg who's value betting.
He could have both 77 and 55. Also tiny chance for AA and QQ. Again, why would he just shove that river with AK? Do he expect to be called by AJ? proberly not imo.
He also did the typical time thing, taking a few seconds extra before he shoved river, which is typical for many regs to do when they want to be called by as much as possible.[/QUOTI
I don't think you see a lot of people 3betting 55 77 and the problem is he is repping a very narrow range off hands that beat us, only sets and in blind v blind situations people have more air in there pre flop 3betting range which obv means more air in there post flop range, and we only need to be right 33% of the time to make this call break even so i cant see a good enough argument to fold.
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08-09-2012, 03:05 PM
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#52
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centurion
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 160
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Re: Moving up NL10->NL25 in one month + Gold Star status on Stars
yeah don't fold that hand, what BH2 said
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08-09-2012, 05:22 PM
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#53
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journeyman
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: twoplustwo and blogger.com
Posts: 370
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Re: Moving up NL10->NL25 in one month + Gold Star status on Stars
gl op! :P
how far are you with your progress yet? whats your bankroll?
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08-09-2012, 05:30 PM
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#54
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journeyman
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 241
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Re: Moving up NL10->NL25 in one month + Gold Star status on Stars
Thanks for replies, it just felt so obvious when he suddenly wanted his whole stack in, after smaller/normal betsizes on flop and turn.
Second session of the day done:
170,4 minutes - 3205 hands
Result= -19,99$ EV Adjusted= -12,59$
Maybe my longest session ever, didn't feel any bad effects from playing longer, which is of course good as I want to play longer but fewer sessions than I do now.
I started out running really bad, started going well, and then down a bit a again. Too tired to look through hands right now, but there should be some interesting ones.
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08-09-2012, 05:38 PM
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#55
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journeyman
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 241
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Re: Moving up NL10->NL25 in one month + Gold Star status on Stars
@Grin thanks! well bankroll is 1353$, but I'm not really counting it all as money I would want to risk. Guess I could write my BRM here, now we're at it:
Below 1240$ = NL5
Above 1600$ = NL16
Above 2300$ = NL25
I'm not counting value from bonusses and "rakeback" in my bankroll, those $ is just increases the BRM limits. Like if I get 50$ bonus to my account, I will just raise the $ amount to 1650$ before I move up to NL16.
Not that I got any super logical reason for it. I just think, that if I can't beat the games before rakeback, it's proberly not worth it. And if I do beat them before rakeback, I will move up sooner or later anyway.
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08-10-2012, 02:46 PM
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#56
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journeyman
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 241
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Re: Moving up NL10->NL25 in one month + Gold Star status on Stars
After 90k+ hands and only slightly above 1bb winrate, I think it's time to take a look at other options. The main problem about Zoom is the missing option of table selection. I love playing it, just having the 4 tables to look at, yet keeping a decent hand/hour, without losing touch with timing tells, like you do when mass multitabling normal tables.
I feel it's heavily reg infested compared to what I remember from normal tables(with some table selection), but even worse is, that the donks on average plays far more tight and safe, than on normal tables. Even against donks, I rarely feel happy about betting all three streets for value with a top pair-top kicker
I tried a session of normal tables, I came to the conclussion that shorthanded>fullring, because table selection is better because you can actually find tables with none or only 1 other reg/s. I just went for 8 tables, think I'll go for 12-14 tables when back in the rythm.
First session of the day done:
65,7 minutes - 658 hands
Result= -18,12$ EV Adjusted= 33,66$
I ran bad, but it really looked promising for getting better results than I had in Zoom, in the long run.
66 all-in against A2 on 56A flop, turn: A, river: 2...
AA all-in against JT on turn T429, river: J
KK all-in against 52 on turn 4267, river: 2
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08-10-2012, 05:18 PM
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#57
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journeyman
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 241
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Re: Moving up NL10->NL25 in one month + Gold Star status on Stars
I have a graphic error that occurs randomly when I play the normal tables. I play them stacked, not that I'm sure that matters.
The problem is, that sometimes when it's my turn on a table not already in front, and it pops up in front of the others, it is transparent/bugged in graphic, like I can still see parts of the table that was in front before it.
It happens especially if I open up an internet browser while playing. So when I got a website open and looking at it, and a poker table pops up, I can see partly through the poker table, able to see the website still, though the table is in the foreground.
If I click on the top bar of the table frame, and move the table around and then release the table again, the table shows graphics as it should.
While that is of course good, I would really prefer a solution that prevents tables doing this graphical error in the first place.
Also if I minimize and reopens the specefic table that is graphically bugged, it looks fine again. But that's also an annoying thing to have to do, while multitabling many tables.
Edit: point of writing all this, is that I hope someone might have a solution for the problem
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08-10-2012, 06:59 PM
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#58
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grinder
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 664
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Re: Moving up NL10->NL25 in one month + Gold Star status on Stars
I think your assessment of zoom is very accurate, the players are not better i think they are just a lot tighter which means its harder to get money out of them at a high rate + with zoom its hard to know the players who do spew a lot because the normally they don't play a lot and in zoom obviously we don't get to play with them as much as we would at reg tables.
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08-10-2012, 07:04 PM
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#59
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journeyman
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 241
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Re: Moving up NL10->NL25 in one month + Gold Star status on Stars
Second session of the day done:
84,1 minutes - 1075 hands
Result= 14$ EV Adjusted= 2,50$
I felt I deserved a bit luck on my side, taking a look at the result of last session.
So it was welcome, like it would be anyway.
It seems like it will be hard to get same amount of hands/hour, unless I add fast tables too, because of my tight table selection. Rake seems to be about the same hourly as FR Zoom was, so acheiving Gold Star for next month is still possible.
It seemed harder to find good tables this session, and because of the graphic bug I get like every 3-4 minutes, it easily gets stressed. I timed out on at least one table, which is both annoying and kinda bad for the winrate too.
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08-10-2012, 07:26 PM
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#60
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journeyman
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 241
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Re: Moving up NL10->NL25 in one month + Gold Star status on Stars
Quote:
Originally Posted by BH2
I think your assessment of zoom is very accurate, the players are not better i think they are just a lot tighter which means its harder to get money out of them at a high rate + with zoom its hard to know the players who do spew a lot because the normally they don't play a lot and in zoom obviously we don't get to play with them as much as we would at reg tables.
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Agree. I also believe that a big amount of the $ you make on the normal tables, comes from people missreading you/gets annoyed at you and tilt= more aggresion from donks, while other regs will just be looking at stats just as they would if it was Zoom. In Zoom the donks doesn't recognize you, or you just don't meet the same donk that often. So it's harder for them to have these missreads against you, or choose to tilt because you just won from them before.
Well, when I started playing Zoom I already had the feeling of that, but I expected that if I specialized in Zoom, I would get a good feeling for the tendencies and mistakes other players typical will be making just in Zoom, and show a profit from that. But I haven't yet found such things to be honest. On NL5 I have 10,40bb winrate, so either that could be me running hot there, or NL10 it could be me running bad.
Anyway even if I should have a higher winrate on NL10, it will still not be enough, for that I'm convinced that I could beat NL25 with enough for what I wan't to earn hourly on playing poker.
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