Poker, pot, paint, beer = sharkfin graph.

I don't think I should have even included TAG on that graph. Between LAG and TAG, both can be equally profitable based on table dynamics. I think I have a better graph for LAG play... forthcoming.......

What constitutes Wizard level LAGness?

Sick MS paint skills

Thank you. 28 Years of hard work and practice.

Check-raising stupid tourists and taking huge pots off of them. Playing all-night high-limit Hold'em at the Taj, "where the sand turns to gold." Stacks and towers of checks I can't even see over.

Brag post incoming - Cliffs, best hand folded, I doubled up through a donk in a three bet pot.

Setup
HJ ($450) - Newer to the table. Came from broken game. I expect him to play his hand face up if he calls my three bet pre.

CO ($550) - Target at the table. He has not folded to a three bet yet and has shown up with hands as bad as 5-7s when he was three bet earlier to $45 earlier with less than $175 in his stack (of course he flopped 77X and doubled). His stack has been bouncing between $150 and $600 multiple times tonight.

Hero - button ($450) - Have a pretty clean image. I have battled with the CO some with light three betting and gotten them through. I don't think the HJ has much of a read on me or the CO due to being fairly new to the game.

Game is playing 7-handed late at night. Most people are sitting over 150bb's

folds to HJ and he makes a standard open to $12 and the CO calls. Hero looks down at 87 and makes is $40. I do this because I expect the HJ to fold a large % of the time and then I can get heads up with initiative against the donk (who is never folding pre-flop). Unfortunately for me the PFR calls as does the HJ. I still expect that the PFR will play pretty straightforward.

flop ($123) K 5 3 rainbow. It is checked to me and I elect to check and maybe do a delayed c-bet on the turn or see if I can pick up some equity. I have a read that the CO is uninterested in this pot but no read on the HJ.

turn ($123) 8 putting up a diamond flush draw. The HJ leads at the pot for $45 and the CO without much hesitation raises to $130. I try to get a read on the HJ to ensure that he doesn't have a real big hand but he is sitting pretty motionless. After some hesitation I flat the $130. The HJ flashes his cards to his neighbor on his right and folds.

river ($428) some offsuit card. HJ immediately ships and I snap call. He says J-high and MHIG.

Hand of HJ is confirmed to be KQ but in the muck. It has been a long time since I got the best hand to fold and a worse hand to call in a big pot and it felt great!

[x] brag worthy

Awesome concept when playing in position vs. a donk and a solid player. You just gotta be careful on wet boards with it.

On dry boards its such a sick play. I've never done it as a bluff but I've had it done to me by another grinder friend I play street poker with.

It happened like this... Flop comes, guy donks into me, I raise with an overpair, and my friend flats in position, donk flats. Turn comes brick, we check to my friend, he fires 3/4 pot, donk folds and I fold. My friend shows a weak pair and I jokingly berate him for outplaying me.

Flatting a raise looks so strong that good players should be SUPER wary and will commonly fold the best hand if they are OOP.

I got invited to a 2/5/10 game that runs weekly in a private room at a local casino. Apparently its a super gambooool game. I'm honestly not anywhere near rolled to play a game like this on a consistent basis, but I think I should be +EV enough to take a shot at it tonight. Hopefully i'll bring back a ton of money and wild hands to post.

Ship me the run good... Here we go.

Good Luck man... sounds like a juicy game for sure. Hope you are up at least 3 BI's at this point and not the other direction!

Thankyou...

Results of the night are in... 6.5 hours, up 500. Basically break even in that game.

The guy who invited me lost 9k. But he's a whale. There was a LAG who was running good who was up about 6k when I left... A nit who left before I did who was up about 4k... a couple fish left after a couple hours after tossing off 2k-4k.

The game was just insane. 2/5/10 with a 25 straddle 75% of hands. On the non-straddle hands, someone opened to 50 nearly every time. I bought in for 1k and had about 2500 at one point but went card dead and flop dead for the last 2 hours.

Sample hand from the night: Hero is SB with a 1k stack. This was about an hour in to the game. My image is probably very tight TAG.

Hero has AcQc

UTG fish (2k) opens to 40. Decent LAG 3! (covers everyone) to 100 UTG+1, folds to hero who 4! to 300, both players call.

Flop 10 J 3 r. Hero jams 700 UTG calls with KQ, LAG folds. We run it twice and chop.

Another interesting one...

LAG opens to 50. Other LAG 3! to 125. TAGfish 4! to 350. Hero flats with AA OTB. LAG#1 calls. LAG #2 folds. Flop K 8 4. Checks to hero who ships it, LAG folds, TAGfish calls and MHIG vs. K10o.

Last hand of the night for hero...

Floaty LAG (solid though, not fishy, but definitely has a leak of floating WAY too often) opens to 35. Hero 3! to 125 with KK in position. At this point my image is probably ultra-nit because I had been card dead preflop for about 4 orbits. Couldn't even play my buttons. All unsuited ungapped cards.

Flop A Q 8 Checks through

Turn A Q 9 10 V bets 200, hero calls

River A Q 9 10 8 V bets 350, hero sigh folds and V shows an 8.

I don't like having to fold here but the only thing I beat is pure air. I was fairly certain I was ahead on the turn, but I was also pretty sure V hit 2 pair or a set on the river.

Hand where I lost value from being underrolled...

Solid LAG opens 50 in MP, hero 3! to 150 in SB with AQs. He calls.

Flop Ad Kd 6 Hero bets 200, V calls.

Turn A K 6 10 Hero bets 400, V folds.

If I was properly rolled for this game, i'd check raise here. He has a ton of floats AND worse hands that fire the turn. He was annoyed that I bet over 1/2 pot on turn, he said he had crap and just wanted to blast the 'tight guy' off the pot. A check raise here is risky because it allows him to check behind if he chooses, but it's the best way to max value since he's not calling the turn bet with a worse hand.

Anyway... it was a lot of fun, and was great to see that these kinds of games exist at higher stakes. The leaks REALLY come out in a game like this. A solid player should have no problem making 100-130/hr in this game.

I don't think i'll be going back to that game, But who knows... maybe some magic will happen over the next few months and i'll have the roll to actually play in it.

The Moby Dick of South Florida got unbanned from the isle recently. He showed up there for the first time last night in over a year. (I had never seen him before but had heard stories). I was playing 2-5, saw a buddy of mine playing a tournament and wanted to get a 1-2 PLO game going. He pointed to another table and said 'that's Steve I. Get the PLO game going.' Steve was playing the tournament as well, but we wanted to have the game ready when he busted. The list starts for 2-5 and 5-5 PLO.

Two hours later the PLO game begins... Steve busted from the tourney but we don't know where he is. An hour goes by. PLO is down to 4 handed now, not getting any interest. Finally, Steve comes up from roulette and sits. Instantly the table fills. Buys in 500 and says 'I'm all in blind. I'm just going to pot pot pot'. He loses, buys in another 1k and we are off to the races. The only problem was we ended up playing about 5 hands per half hour because every hand was all in and ran twice. Steve was in for about 2 hours and surprisingly only dropped 2k.

Very interesting night. I had the god seat... Steve was one to my left. Got my first ever pumpkin chip in this game. Stuart Paterson (very nice guy, a year ago I was valeting his car at hard rock and now i'm sitting at a table with him!) was one to his left.

When all was said and done, I got lucky and was able to get it in twice out of the 20 hands or so. Was in for about 1.2k, cashed out 2.9k. Scary as hell though. I'd much rather play holdem. The game was so ridiculously +EV though, how could anyone pass that up?

Ok, this thread kind of became a blog for a little... back to FPS strat... Something I've been trying recently... sound the fanfare...........

DONK BET BLUFFING INTO DONKS!!!!

Scenario: Hero has 78o or A6s in the BB with a pretty tight image. V1 in MP will raise a pretty loose range preflop but tightens up immensely post flop. V2 only plays broadways and pocket pairs and will not peel his pears if there is an over on the board.
Eff stacks between 350-700. (stack sizes are too awkward to squeeze)

V1 raises to 20 pre, V2 calls, hero calls.

Flop 226. Hero donks 25
Flop 359. Hero donks 25
Flop 10 2 6 Hero donks 25
Flop QQ 6 Hero donks 25

Headsup one can go a bit wider:

Flops like K34, 59J (meh on the edge), A 5 2, etc.

On flops where a) everyone most likely missed b) you aren't going to get floated c) villains will always raise with hands like 66-AA d) insert condition here

I submit that donk betting with very little equity or air can be profitable.

I don't do it often... its another one of those spots that has to be heads up or 3 way with weak opposition and the stars have to align with the flop, however I think it can be a good spot that a lot of people don't see.

Basically the reason to not bluff-donk into people is that PFR is uncapped, and in passive games he's usually strong when he PFRs. If he's raising wide though, donk away.

My general approach is to usually insta raise atc when getting donked into, it does depend on texture and game flow, but it's usually one of my pet peeves lol.

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Yeah but you're not the type of player one can donk into profitably. When you're making exploitable moves, you have to do it into people that aren't going to exploit you.

Took yesterday off and today off... Bought into Carbon because i'm a degen and love playing 'off the beaten path' games like A-5 tdraw and badugi... This just happened in a $5 Plo8ament:



6 card royal!!!!!!

Sick.

Completely agree. Versus the right players, i'll raise ATC when I get donked into.

Exactly.

On top of that TampaGrinder, if I notice that you have a 'general approach' of raising donk bets (and that's an easy one to spot since it has nothing to do wit the cards), the first thing I do to exploit it will earn me a ton of manies. A simple b/3b flop or b/call flop underbetinducedonk/jam turn or b/c flop - c/r turn. I can choose which of those want to do depending on board texture, your range, and my perceived range.

For me, the hardest part about playing an exploitable game to increase profits is to realize who is going to exploit me. If I see someone who I think is capable of hand reading and bet size reading, I will take a much more balanced approach when they are in the hand.

Yeah I discussed this topic with my friends about getting b/3b light or proceeding post flop after donk/call scenarios. They always differ and if it's a continuous thing then it'd be an adjustment I'd make over the course of the game, but def the first time is gonna get insta raised lol.

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Two hands from last night:

Hand A)

V1 is a terrible fit or fold player, V2 is a bad LAG

Hero has AKo in EP, V1 is EP+1, V2 is CO.

Hero opens to 35, V1 V2 call.

Flop JJ9

Checks through

Turn J J 9 10

Hero checks, V1 bets 20, V2 calls, hero x/r to 100, both players fold.

Summary: EZ game. Weaksauce bet + weaksauce call = scary raise.

Hand F)

Hero covers table, V1 has 650

V1 is bad lag from previous hand, V2 is a regfish

A few limps, hero limps in CO with 8 10, V1 raises to 30 in BB, V2 calls, hero calls

Flop: Jh 9 3

V1 leads for 40, V2 calls, Hero calls

Turn: Jh 9 3 7h

V1 leads 90, V2 folds, hero raises to 245, V1 calls

River: J 9 3 7 7

V1 goes all in for 335 hero?

Summary: Fffffuuuuuuu

I had such a sick soul read on the flop that he hit a set. Not just a set... JJ exactly. His bet sizing was indicative of bad LAG sizing for monster like flopped set. I set my turn sizing for an easy river shove. Then he gets there on the river and i'm thinking... 3:1 on my money. I have a soul read, but the math says it's an absolute call. He could be overvaluing QQ+, doing some dumb bluff with xhxh, have A7, he's a bad LAG. His range here is wide enough. Math says call, I am not an emotional player. I call. He rolls JJ. Hero tilts. Plays one orbit. (actually makes a couple hundred) Recognizes tilt goes home.

I didn't tilt because I lost. I don't tilt when I lose. Or get sucked out on. I tilt when there's a high likelihood I did something wrong and it costs me a stack. I had the soul read but couldn't get away from it because of the numbers. Oh well. I'm not actually sure if I did anything wrong (fold pre, blah blah blah), but it felt wrong last night. Looking back on it, it's still probably the right call.

How often does the 5/10 PLO run at isle? Looks like an amazing lineup.

Lol well played sir. You've never heard of Steve ivester?