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07-30-2014 , 06:44 AM
3b size too small, 70 would be my standard. As played I just bet the flop. As played I don't mind checkin turn cuz he was the last aggressor on the flop and obviously a cooler turn and river. Fwiw I think villain played hand worse than you lol. When he puts in the raise to 250 on flop and only 400 back otf id jus shove usually. Villain rarely if ever has KK/QQ/AK bc of no 4b pre so KQ or bottom set is only real value hands.
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07-31-2014 , 04:38 AM
Thanks for the comment drawingdead!

3b to 70 is because we are OOP? What's your sizing if we are IP?
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08-01-2014 , 01:18 AM
Wouldn't go less than 60 even in position unless stacks were less than 100bbs
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08-07-2014 , 02:35 AM
Had an annoying session tonight

Hand 1: 2/5 eff 400. V is young male, saw him chase draws regardless of price.

I open UTG with AsKh. V calls in MP, CO calls. Threeway

Flop ($60) Ad5d3c

I lead 40 they both call

Turn ($180) Ks

I lead 120 V says 'I haz an A' and shoves for ~200 more, CO folds I call

River (~$800) 4o

Spoiler:
V yells 'straight' and turns over A2o. I puke fold. As he stacks my chips he says proudly that he thinks his A is good too


Hand 2: Eff 600. V is young white male somewhat tricky. In a previous hand he raises to 15 from MP, I call NTA with TT, BB calls. Flop $60 466r BB checks he checks I bet 40, he calls HU. Turn $140 8o he checks I check. River A check check. I show TT he shows JJ and says 'Why don't you bet turn?'

EP limps, V limps in LP, I raise OTB with 9To to 25. EP folds, V thinks for a bit then calls.

Flop ($65) Kc6c4h
V checks, I bet 30. V hesitates then calls.

Turn ($125) 7o
V checks, I bet 50, V thinks for a while then raises to 120. Really want to 3b or shove, but don't feel I have FE so I just call.

River ($365) Qo
V checks ???
Spoiler:
Given his history of slow playing I check... he shows 22 WTF was that turn raise???!!!


Turn bet was questionable on my side... think checking or bet bigger is better. But his play is even more questionable and annoying

Last edited by o1o1o111; 08-07-2014 at 02:42 AM.
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08-07-2014 , 02:31 PM
Why did you call the turn raise in hand 2?
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08-08-2014 , 03:45 AM
Ops flop was K84 so I had OESD ott
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08-08-2014 , 11:07 AM
He may read the less than 1/2 pot bets as weak so you could go 40 on the flop and 90 on the turn. As played, his small turn raise followed by a river check on the Q is indicative of a bluffy line. If he really had value, he would've bet the river since he's oop, saw you check TT earlier and can't count on you to bet.
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08-08-2014 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltinginSeattle
you check TT earlier and can't count on you to bet.
Great point!! I only thought about his inducing tendency, didnt consider he might actually adjust and vbet this time...
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08-09-2014 , 03:26 PM
Crazy hand from last night:

2/5 newish to the table

EP1 (said whale, $2k) limps
EP2 (young-tourist-looking, $500) limps
MP (reg-looking, $700) opens 20
LP (tourist-looking, $500) calls
I (party-looking, $900) call in CO with 77
BB (don't remember anything) calls
both limpers call, 6 way

Flop ($120) 356hh (I have no heart)
Checked to original raiser/MP who bets 50, LP calls, I raise to 200
BB folds
EP1 cold calls with ~2k behind
EP2 cold calls with ~300 behind
MP folds
LP shoves for 420 total

Trying to get a read on EP1 because I am very worried about his potential reshove... but he looks normal
I sigh fold

EP1 calls the shove
EP2 goes AI for about the same

Turn & River (~$1700) Ao 9o

EP1 shows 35o
EP2 shows busted heart draw (can't remember exact cards... something like 7Jhh)
LP shows K2hh

EP1 adds more chips to his monster whale stack
Why can't I have 66
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08-10-2014 , 02:07 PM
I suck at giving reverse tells Will stop until I can master it.

Ex 1: A friend has been raising my blind, and I have been giving him credit and folding. New hand, folds to him in LP and he opens to 25 (big but his standard raise). I'm in BB with QQ. Last time I folded I complained and joked about 3b. So this time I played the titled friend and said 'Again??!!' Then throw out 75 more for a total of 80. He calls.

Flop $160 348hh I lead out 120. He looks at me and says 'Bluff again?' (Earlier we were talking about my triple-barrel bluff attempt against another v in a 3b pot, so he knows I'm not afraid of putting lots of - if not all - the chips in the middle with air). I smile and do not respond. He tank folds

Later when I asked him he said my smile was too nice. Sigh I suck

Ex 2: V is the guy who played his AA super passive above (where i bluffed with 66). So I have bluffy image and I turn a flush. He checks river, I said 'AA again?' Then put out a polarized bet. He says 'You give it away' and folds. FML why don't I shut up until I can find the right words to say
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08-11-2014 , 01:08 AM
Another crazy (yet fun) session... Not crazy because players are hyper aggressive, but because SOOOOO MANY cooler hands happening. The whole table addressed it as the sicko table lol.

Example:
MP ($700, newish, tight) opens to 15
LP ($1k, was coolered a number of times, mostly straightforward) calls

Flop ($30) 445cc
MP leads 20 LP calls

Turn ($70) 2o
MP checks, LP bets 50, MP calls

River ($170) Ac
MP leads 80
LP raises to 200
MP shoves
LP snap calls

Spoiler:
LP shows 55, MP shows AA


I ran my chips up to 1k then made a huge mistake by taking AK and JJ out of an aggressive opponents' range because he didnt 3b pre... A very expensive lesson (NH V)

SPEW OF THE NIGHT:

EP ($200) limps, folds to me ($700) OTB with Q9ss and I raise to 20. EP calls HU

Flop ($40) J74r one spade
He checks, I bet 30, he raises to 75 with ~100 behind.
I don't get this c/r line on a dry board and I even think I can get value from T9, 89 or 56 so I shove (yea call me crazy)
He calls

Turn & river (~$400) T K
I turn over my hand, the whole table freeze
He flips JQo and sigh leaves

BLUFF OF THE NIGHT:

LP (1k, straightforward, same guy who got coolered in the 55 vs AA hand above) opens LP to 20, I (1k) call from BB with AQo.

Flop ($40) JK7ss
I check, he checks

Turn ($40) 5o
I lead 30, he raises to 110, I call (think his hand is faced up as AQ or AT)

River ($260) 9o
I bet 135 to get him off a chop He tank folds
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08-11-2014 , 02:07 PM
FOLD OF THE NIGHT:

MP ($700, average reg) opens 20
I ($700) call OTB with ATdd

Flop ($40) AQTr one diamond
He leads 25
I raise to 75
He reraises to 175
I fold and he shows JKo
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08-11-2014 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by o1o1o111
EP ($200) limps, folds to me ($700) OTB with Q9ss and I raise to 20. EP calls HU

Flop ($40) J74r one spade
He checks, I bet 30, he raises to 75 with ~100 behind.
I don't get this c/r line on a dry board and I even think I can get value from T9, 89 or 56 so I shove (yea call me crazy)
He calls
There are a lot of betsizing tells at 2/5, especially with non-regs. Usually smaller betsizing like this is indicative of a strong hand. Since the guy only had $100 behind, he's going to bet bigger or just shove if he's on a draw most of the time.

There are two hands you posted where you flatted regs' MP/LP raises with A10s and AQo (nice fold on A10!). You should really consider 3betting villains in spots like these. There are a couple of different reasons for 3betting over flatting here:

1) You have villains' ranges crushed. Most regs are opening something like TJ+/22+ which is a really wide range.
2) You widen your 3bet range, making it harder to play against you and you will get more value out of the top of your range
3) 2/5 regs' 3bet call frequency OOP is very low. Like probably only 99+/AK+. By 3betting, you're going to pick up free money a lot and when you don't, villains will be defining their range very narrowly, making it much easier to play postflop

Also on verbal tells, any time you say anything that indicates concern, then bet or raise anyway, it is a fairly reliable tell of strength. It's best just not to say anything or try to look as nervous as possible when you have a value hand you're trying to get paid with.

On smiling, Howard was just messing with you () but generally as far as tells go, a weak or fake smile is usually weakness and a genuine smile is a strong hand. These are really general rules though and I wouldn't go with this kind of physical tell unless betting pattern didn't give me a read and I needed something to sway me on a 50/50 decision.
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08-12-2014 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by WorldsBiggestNit
There are a lot of betsizing tells at 2/5, especially with non-regs. Usually smaller betsizing like this is indicative of a strong hand. Since the guy only had $100 behind, he's going to bet bigger or just shove if he's on a draw most of the time.

There are two hands you posted where you flatted regs' MP/LP raises with A10s and AQo (nice fold on A10!). You should really consider 3betting villains in spots like these. There are a couple of different reasons for 3betting over flatting here:

1) You have villains' ranges crushed. Most regs are opening something like TJ+/22+ which is a really wide range.
2) You widen your 3bet range, making it harder to play against you and you will get more value out of the top of your range
3) 2/5 regs' 3bet call frequency OOP is very low. Like probably only 99+/AK+. By 3betting, you're going to pick up free money a lot and when you don't, villains will be defining their range very narrowly, making it much easier to play postflop
Good points. Thanks WorldsBiggestNit!

Btw you know the guy from the 67ss hand above? Heard he went broke and is now selling bottled water in front of Bellagio?
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08-12-2014 , 04:55 PM
GOAL OF THE WEEK:

DO NO BLUFF.
DO NOT MAKE MOVES.
DO NOT GET OUT OF THE LINE.

:sigh:
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08-16-2014 , 07:27 AM
Very frustrated

Earlier in the week got stacked three times in a row in one session.
First time, I flopped straight, GII vs set, board paired.
Second time, I flopped set, GII vs straight, board didn't pair.
Third time, guy chased FD+SD all the way and rivered flush vs my trips.

Then tonight:

2/5 no much action
MP limps ($200, reg)
I raise OTB with 9Qs to 20 ($500, tight so far)
BB flats ($1k, reg, somewhat active)
MP flats

Flop ($60) JK7r
Bb leads 40
MP flats
I fold... they GII ott, BB has JJ and MP AQ
What pref action

New table
I open AA UTG 15 ($500, tightish)
MP calls
BTN calls ($600, competent TAG whose game I respect)
SB calls

Flop ($60) 443r
I bet 45 (could have made it 30)
Only BTN calls

Turn ($150) Tcc
I bet 100
BTN calls

River ($350) Jo
I check
BTN bets 220
He def has 45, 33, TT, JJ in his range. Also believe he is capable of thin vbet QQ, KK (too wishful in retrospect) so I made a crying call and he shows 45s

Then soon after, I got QQdh in CO and open to 15 (no limper)
He calls from BB

Flop ($30) J93dd
He leads 20

I got very wary and I doubt he is leading draws, so I just call

Turn ($70) Ko
He leads 45
Can't convince myself that he is leading twice with less than 2p so I fold
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08-16-2014 , 01:09 PM
Also lost AK vs QQ AIPF
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08-17-2014 , 05:36 AM
Why are you frustrated at losing standard hands? It will help you if you attempt to rewire yourself to be frustrated and tilted when you play bad and almost totally un phase when standard hands happen and you lose. At least that's my opinion and my approach. The AA hand on the 443r 4handed I check the flop a very high percentage of the time. Reason being that there aren't much hands that can call us other than PPs or straight draws. Also, PPs or 3x often bet the flop for us in position. By checking we deceive our opponents on our hand strength and also lose the minimum against a 4 or 33. We also don't expect to get much value from anything anyways. Also, if someone hits a pair like a J on turn with QJo for instance that woulda def folded flop if we bet then that's good obv. If I did bet I woulda bet smaller, so your "30" I woulda liked better. As played when btn calls and Tcc peels I don't expect to get 3 streets from 55-99 usually and were also protecting against a 4 so I woulda checked usually. If I did bet I would bet half pot so 75, not 100, I think it's too large, as played I like a bet fold on river better than a check call on this board, so half pot or 175 and sigh fold to a raise.

Second hand w QQ I would peel flop and NOT fold turn. We block QT pretty heavily. We usually have best hand imo and we also have gutter to nuts with a ten. And 2 queen to set if he has two pair or set. Turn is very bad fold IMO esp when he bets 45 I into 70

GL
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08-17-2014 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by drawingdeadd7
Why are you frustrated at losing standard hands? It will help you if you attempt to rewire yourself to be frustrated and tilted when you play bad and almost totally un phase when standard hands happen and you lose. At least that's my opinion and my approach.
Because I did play bad. I ran bad and was outdrawn, but I didn't have to lose that much. I could have played differently (like how you suggested) and lost less
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08-17-2014 , 02:40 PM
We always play worse if we're running bad, no matter how much we think otherwise. This is true for even the best players. If you're getting paranoid about hands after you're losing like in that QQ hand, you should just rack up and quit for the day.

I agree with DD7 about that QQ hand and I like his line in the AA hand, esp. since girls generally have a tighter image (if you have a really aggressive table image or have shown a few bluffs, I think it's okay to try to bet 3 streets with a smaller flop bet some % of the time as DD7 advises). If I check flop w/ AA in that spot and lead turn though, I'm bombing river and folding to a raise. I think villain's calling frequencies and bluffing frequencies are pretty similar whether we bet 2/3 pot on the river or full pot.
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08-18-2014 , 02:24 PM
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We always play worse if we're running bad, no matter how much we think otherwise. This is true for even the best players. If you're getting paranoid about hands after you're losing like in that QQ hand, you should just rack up and quit for the day.
I did leave right after and I have been trying to rebuild my confidence since

Quote:
Originally Posted by WorldsBiggestNit
I agree with DD7 about that QQ hand and I like his line in the AA hand, esp. since girls generally have a tighter image (if you have a really aggressive table image or have shown a few bluffs, I think it's okay to try to bet 3 streets with a smaller flop bet some % of the time as DD7 advises). If I check flop w/ AA in that spot and lead turn though, I'm bombing river and folding to a raise. I think villain's calling frequencies and bluffing frequencies are pretty similar whether we bet 2/3 pot on the river or full pot.
Agree. So much to learn and to work on!!!
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08-18-2014 , 02:40 PM
Hands from last night:

#A1 - MISTAKE OF THE NIGHT

1/3 at Aria, newish to the table, V is young guy wear dark sunglasses, looks like a wannabe, eff 300

V limps from EP/MP
LP limps
I open the BTN with KQo to 15
BB calls
Both limpers call

Flop $60 KQTr four-way
BB checks, V leads 35
Folds to me and I make it 105

MISTAKES HERE:
- Too thin - if I think v has has more QT/KT/pair+SD than sets/(nut) straight because he l/c pref, I should just call to keep those hands in
- If raise, can make it smaller (e.g. 85) and fold to a rr


Folds to V and he shoves
I call

MISTAKES:
- It's a fold unless I have solid reads that v is bad enough to shove with lower 2p/pair+SD here
- V is actually more likely to have a made straight because we have blockers to 2p/pair+SD
- Wishful thinking on v's range/skill level


Board doesn't help and v wins with AJo

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08-18-2014 , 03:12 PM
#A2 - LOOSE PLAY + BAD BLUFF

1/3 at Aria, table pretty tight, pref raise typically gets 0-2 callers, few 3b. V just sat down, looks touristy, busy ordering food

V opens UTG to 15
That's a huge open for this table... doubt anyone behind me will call so
I call NTA with 9T
Rest fold, HU

I realize it's a little bit loose, but I think it's acceptable given table condition

Flop $30 AJT
V bets 20
I call

Light call, I know it's a fold most of the time, but this time feeling some inconfidence from v who is sitting next to me

Turn $70 A
Check, check

River $70 5
V check
I bet 45

MISTAKES
- At the time I thought V prob has KK QQ and may give up. In retrospect I should make it bigger if I want to fold out KK QQ
- More likely than KK QQ, v can also have AK/AQ here, and is check-calling. If I dare to bluff here (which I shouldn't) I ought to make it huge


Lucky for me, v folded pretty quickly. Phew
But can't let myself be result-oriented and get away with bad play
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08-18-2014 , 03:32 PM
#A3 - MISSED VALUE?

1/3 at Aria, tight table, eff 300

Five-way limp fest, I am in BB with 57

Flop $15 775 Five-way
SB checks (tourist, understands fundamentals)
I bet 10
Folds to BTN who calls (thinking player and good hand reader)
SB calls

Turn $45 K Three-way
SB checks
I bet 18
BTN looks at me and tanks a bit before calling
SB calls

River $99 A Three-way
SB checks
I bet 50

Both BTN and SB are straightforward/somewhat passive and have no bluff history so can't count on them to bluff missed draws... so I believe a bet here is better than check.
Not quite sure about the amount though...
They are unlikely to have 7x because they'd raise flop or turn.
They are both tight so not sure they'd bluff catch if I polarize my bet.
My only hope is someone hit the K or A by chasing FD. Not sure whether 50 is too much or they just have nothing to call with -


BTN tank folds, SB folds
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08-18-2014 , 03:37 PM
I think you should work on your discipline, I have also been trying to lately and it has been much harder than I expected.

Try to play X amount of sessions very tight, with a certain range of hands that you are allowed to open with in different positions, call raises with, 3 bet etc.

Play these sessions and do not let yourself deviate from your requirements

I know it is profitable to adjust accordingly, but you must master playing ABC poker first
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