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09-08-2014 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by zoltan
First sentence I don't agree with much, at least at this casino. Maaaaybe 25% of pots >25 bb were won without showdown over a recent 12+ hour session. (I say this because it's something I happened to reflect on during this session.)
I generally assume that people in loose FR games like seeing showdowns a ton, but you still can win loads of smallish pots (thinking 10-20bb) by raising and cbetting, because most of the time even the loosest donks will have jack **** to call with.
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09-08-2014 , 10:35 AM
Well, my image was dangerous/aggro when that hand happened so no image concerns with c/f'ing.

If I had decided to play that hand instead of setmining, I would prob 3b pre because while young player was competent, I also had a read he wasn't a semipro+ and probably only had a few hundred dollars for poker at the time. But similar situation here so I shied away from the optimal strat as well.

Obv I have no idea where the profit is at yet!
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09-08-2014 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by homerdash
Hey Aleksei, thanks for the sub.

Yeah it's pretty standard but I see a lot of halfway decent players raise to 10 or 12 with a couple of limpers which seems so bad.

Been very good at avoiding marginal spots. Like last week competent young player opens, I'm only caller in sb with 99 and I c/f K65r without a care. Sure he could cbet AQ/AJ/88/77 but I don't gaf at 1/2 because that's not where the profit is
Well, vs a competent villain, they will usually 1 and done that board. You could x/r, which would force him to fold most of his range if he thinks you're tight and straightforward (including weak Kx and PPs that beat you). Alternatively you could call and fire turn if he checks to you, but that's a weaker line that may not get him off many hands you beat.

But you're basically breakeven in that spot. Folding and going after the fishies, while not completely optimal, is fine.
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09-08-2014 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Aleksei
I generally assume that people in loose FR games like seeing showdowns a ton, but you still can win loads of smallish pots (thinking 10-20bb) by raising and cbetting, because most of the time even the loosest donks will have jack **** to call with.
Fold equity does not exist at 1/2 ...at the very least until the time comes to call a $100+ bet on the river. Although I agree raising and cbetting CAN work at the right table. (Not sure that any of the 20+ 1/2 tables this past weekend fit that description. OMC from FL pretty much **** his pants about how our table was playing bigger than his usual 2/5 lol. Makes sense, I suppose, when $15 raise pre gets 5-6 callers?)
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09-08-2014 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by homerdash
Well, my image was dangerous/aggro when that hand happened so no image concerns with c/f'ing.

If I had decided to play that hand instead of setmining, I would prob 3b pre because while young player was competent, I also had a read he wasn't a semipro+ and probably only had a few hundred dollars for poker at the time. But similar situation here so I shied away from the optimal strat as well.

Obv I have no idea where the profit is at yet!
If he's competent, AND he's underrolled, I think he's almost certainly scared money. So playing for pure set value may not be a great idea, since he's going to fold the majority of the time when you flop your set.
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09-08-2014 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by zoltan
Fold equity does not exist at 1/2 ...at the very least until the time comes to call a $100+ bet on the river. Although I agree raising and cbetting CAN work at the right table. (Not sure that any of the 20+ 1/2 tables this past weekend fit that description. OMC from FL pretty much **** his pants about how our table was playing bigger than his usual 2/5 lol. Makes sense, I suppose, when $15 raise pre gets 5-6 callers?)
Dude, you're doing it all wrong. If $15 is routinely getting 5+ callers, you don't make it 15, you make it 25, or 30, or whatever it takes to iso the action. The bigger the better. There's no reason to not make a 20bb open-raise if people are calling it.
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09-08-2014 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Aleksei
If he's competent, AND he's underrolled, I think he's almost certainly scared money. So playing for pure set value may not be a great idea, since he's going to fold the majority of the time when you flop your set.

I agree but also think the inverse is true: gonna be hard to get away from AA on 973r as well for him
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09-08-2014 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by homerdash
I agree but also think the inverse is true: gonna be hard to get away from AA on 973r as well for him
Fair enough.
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09-08-2014 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Aleksei
Dude, you're doing it all wrong. If $15 is routinely getting 5+ callers, you don't make it 15, you make it 25, or 30, or whatever it takes to iso the action. The bigger the better. There's no reason to not make a 20bb open-raise if people are calling it.
Weird thing is, while $15 gets 5, $20 gets zero. Anything in between is literally a coin flip. Maybe I just suck at pf bet sizing, I dunno.
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09-08-2014 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by zoltan
Weird thing is, while $15 gets 5, $20 gets zero. Anything in between is literally a coin flip. Maybe I just suck at pf bet sizing, I dunno.
Well, if seeing mass multiway flops is basically inevitable, I would experiment with limping in more. Raising is never going to be max EV if you aren't going to be winning without showdown, unless you're like excruciatingly deep with everyone.

Good to know LLSNL games are still this godawful though. thought it had gotten to the point where the average villain was like a level 1 hand-chart nit or whatever.
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09-08-2014 , 12:35 PM
Yeah, the preflop sizing is a tough line to walk at 1/2 it seems. I've found that 15 for 1 limper, 17 for 2 limpers, and then I top out at 18 or 19 in position for 3+ limpers. Although the whole table limped to my button and I made it 20 recently because f them lol. The 20+ amounts are reserved for when the world limps to my sb/bb so even if I have AA I want to charge a very high OOP tax on their limping range.
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09-15-2014 , 11:08 PM
Didn't play for 8 days, decided to play tonight, almost didn't. Locked up a 185bb win after 2 hours so I'm pleased with my decision. Won KK vs. QQ aipf for 75bb effective and flopped a set as pfr, bet all 3 streets and got paid.
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09-21-2014 , 07:37 AM
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09-21-2014 , 11:48 AM
It's been a good week though. 12 hours total at 22bb/hr, nice mini heater to reverse the downswing.

So 12 entries for mdl's giveaway today, winning one of those plus a nice session would be a gr8 Sunday m8
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09-21-2014 , 08:09 PM
Just finished a 8 hour session, +221bb.

Weekly (Mon-Sun) stats: 20 hours, +$902, 22.5bb/hr
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09-21-2014 , 08:10 PM
woooot
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09-21-2014 , 09:24 PM
Oh duuuh... I forgot I added on $150 in green like a baus after a seat change, sooo only +146bb today
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09-22-2014 , 07:50 PM
wheeeee

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09-22-2014 , 07:57 PM
I'm only reading to track your battery usage.
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09-23-2014 , 09:38 PM
+13bb in 3.5 hours, shippit

I kinda hate how the games kinda die after hh promo ends at 7. I mean obv it's 1/2 so it's always mildly good but it usually gets a little short etc at times.

Need to look up what October promo schedule is like, my current weekday work/poker day schedule is not to my liking
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09-24-2014 , 07:37 AM
Just did some napkin math and realized I'm probably still down around $500 if gas expenses are included.

Also eye-opening: 6bb covers gas, but if I only play a 2-3 hour session as I am wont to do during the week, that's 20-30% of a 10bb/hr player's profit, and I really don't have a good idea of what my longterm hourly will end up being yet.

I mean, I guess I've earned about 400 comp$ but there's not much value in those to me besides occasional convenience. Being able to use them at CCF will be an improvement.
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09-24-2014 , 03:27 PM
Yeah short sessions are bad for your gas consumption. Personally to offset that I'm getting a bike, and then eventually when I move to Vegas I'm getting me one of these:



They're not available in the US (the cheapest Caterham shipped stateside atm is the 280, as a kit car), but there's rumors that Caterham is going to start offering their entire lineup stateside next year.
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09-24-2014 , 04:08 PM
I would love to drive a Caterham 7 for sure. My VW gets about 33mpg reported on the highway so it could be a lot worse, 100 miles round trip.

If I finally start stacking real hard at 1/2 (and 2/5 later) I hope to buy a 2015 Golf R when they launch next summer here in the States.
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09-27-2014 , 11:04 AM
Hand from last night:

Very first hand at table, I start with 200. Loud idiot reg sitting next to me makes a big deal about limping and I don't say anything, make it 15 in CO (didn't post), BTN calls, sb f and V calls BB. Has like 450 and is youngish white dude, no other info, idiot folds. Oh yeah, I have AJcc.

(Pot 48) flop Js7x2c, v checks, I bet 25, btn folds, v calls.

(Pot 98) turn 2s, v checks, I bet 35, v calls.

(Pot 168) river 9s, v checks. Not the very best river but I'll take it. I got one of those live reads that he didn't think I had anything. I shove 125, he thinks for a little bit and calls, mhig
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09-28-2014 , 02:20 PM
Suffered a setback yesterday but I'm generally pleased with my play recently.

Pretty excited about October schedule. They changed the high hand schedule around so it's only Mon-Thur 12-10, and Fridays $500 random seat giveaways. Nothing on Saturdays so it'll be nice to play without thinking things like "oh good time to take a break since the HH is a sflush to the King"

Also, Sunday evenings should be pretty cool for cash drawings and a freakin' Mercedes given away each week.

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