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09-26-2014 , 10:43 AM
Hello,

I'm relatively new to this forum. My previous posts were very fishy. Since then I'm working on improving my game in every important fundamental, at least on my view, aspect: Bet sizing, hand reading, hand history and graph analysis, long run grind planning, bankroll control and multi-tabling skills.

I started grinding $0.50 SNG STTs to improve my push/fold strategy. After ˜300 games I was happy with my table/player feel and technical game. Since I had a unexpressive ROI (>10%) with this little volume but was very satisfied with my game I started planning to play the $0.50 45 Players. The main reason is that I realised I would have a greater edge on my opponents, and with that a bigger ROI, without adding too much variance I would find in greater fields. It is, for me, the Edge-Variance sweet spot, especially for my limited bankroll. If I said something wrong in this paragraph, please correct me!

I've started grinding with a $20 bankroll, and I'm playing at least 16 tables/day. It's not the volume per day that I was aiming. I still got a dayjob, a teaching job twice a week and college classes three times a week. I plan to quit my job in one month from now, and definitely doing coaching classes with one of the best players from Brasil.

This is the graph since I started grinding:



My goals:

1- Build a $100 roll;
2- Always analyse my hand history BEFORE any session, especially the ones I bubbled or got close to it;
3- Play at least 16 games/day on weekdays and at least 40 games/day on weekends;
4- Have a minimum 10% ROI after a 1,000 games (the ROI I need to achieve number one goal);
5- Play at least 2,000 games;
6- Post an update every 2 days with the current graph and best/worse hand I played in the period.

I know these are not extreme goals. In fact, they are very "standard" goals for any poker player in my opinion, but since I'm not having the optimal time to study and play, I'm keeping them achievable.

When I hit the number one goal, I'm thinking moving up the field to 90 players and not the limit, since my long run goal is to grind $3.50+R 180 Players SNGs. Again, correct me if you think this is not a good move (and why).

I hope this thread help me with the discipline needed to achieve my goals.

Thanks for the attention.

Last edited by mateuschwarz; 09-26-2014 at 10:49 AM.
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09-26-2014 , 10:50 AM
Good luck!
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09-26-2014 , 11:28 AM
If you have any thought or correction to make on my game selection or specific game advice, please let me know it.

I have listed my main goals, but, of course, I have side goals too: Being more active in this forum, gain knowledge and gain VIP rewards.

Much thanks, and good luck on whatever you're doing, Parsons.
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09-27-2014 , 05:39 PM
grinda os 90 + 45 man sao praticamente a mesma coisa . em .50$,e se bates os 45 bem nos 90 man vais ter mais profit pois vais chegar pelo menos a ft muitas mais vezes sendo mais profit podes me adicionar no skype:devilzmascotte vou em principio grindar isso ou entao 1.5$ verei pois quero ter +- 200/300 bb do level que grindar pra estar mais confortável
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09-27-2014 , 09:43 PM
After two sessions, updating.

Yesterday made a really good session, got up by 13 BI (and got 5th on the $0.11 Turbo) But today I got a series of bad beats and coolers and lost 36 BI, much more than the variance that I expected.

Here's the graph now:



Will review my hands tomorrow...
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09-27-2014 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by darkvandar
grinda os 90 + 45 man sao praticamente a mesma coisa . em .50$,e se bates os 45 bem nos 90 man vais ter mais profit pois vais chegar pelo menos a ft muitas mais vezes sendo mais profit podes me adicionar no skype:devilzmascotte vou em principio grindar isso ou entao 1.5$ verei pois quero ter +- 200/300 bb do level que grindar pra estar mais confortável
Então, eu queria ter um pouco mais de BR, como voce pode ver no meu ultimo grafico levei um ferro gigante. Não quero quebrar e ter que depositar mais, então me comprometi a jogar um tipo de jogo apenas. Quando subir pra 90, vou jogar só 90. Quando não estou fazendo essas sessões eu jogo alguns torneios micros...
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09-27-2014 , 09:52 PM
OP these are the turbo format 45 mans on PS correct?
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09-28-2014 , 09:37 AM
I'm kinda doing the same games at the moment.. I play all turbo mtt's under 1.5$ and fill up the screens with 45s and 90s below 1$...

Only started out since a couple of days and I must admit I have no clue what to do to review my sessions/tournementa.. Any idea's?

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09-28-2014 , 10:42 AM
Good luck fella ... will get you into a grind mindset for sure
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09-28-2014 , 11:43 AM
Definitely move up to the $1 45 man reg speeds as soon as you can OP
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09-28-2014 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Chanty57
OP these are the turbo format 45 mans on PS correct?
Yes

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Originally Posted by Oewems
I'm kinda doing the same games at the moment.. I play all turbo mtt's under 1.5$ and fill up the screens with 45s and 90s below 1$...

Only started out since a couple of days and I must admit I have no clue what to do to review my sessions/tournementa.. Any idea's?

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Well, I used to do that. But since I want to master this specific kind of game and use this knowledge to go up in the fields. There's lots of adjustments to make, and I think if you focus on just one game it's better to plug the leaks.

I analyse my overall gaming using PokerTracker3, mainly for all-time, monthly and daily graphs and to get to know my opponents better. The hand by hand analysis I use the SitNGo Wizard. It's always good to have some computer backed analysis, but they're not really necessary in my opinion. You can review your game using the Universal Hand Replayer, always marking the spots you played wrong or could've played better.

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Good luck fella ... will get you into a grind mindset for sure
Much thanks. I've got a bad downswing now (lost in one big session all that i've won during the week), but will grind today like any other day and expecting better results.

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Definitely move up to the $1 45 man reg speeds as soon as you can OP
Well, when I move up I will first move up the field number to get to know better the bigger field dynamics. I have some reasons not to play the $1 45 Man Reg:
1) I believe I don't have the edge I have on the turbo's;
2) The variance is almost the same;
3) Bubbling one of these is much more frustrating;
4) A TAG player can be profitable in this kinds of game, but IMO I think that most TAG players are weak, so in this structure I have less edge on these players.
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09-28-2014 , 12:17 PM
If you have an edge, wouldn't you have more of an edge in reg speed games as in turbo's?

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09-28-2014 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Oewems
If you have an edge, wouldn't you have more of an edge in reg speed games as in turbo's?

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I believe that $/hour will be higher by playing only turbos because it lasts much shorter and the edge's difference is not so enormous
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09-28-2014 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Nekazka
I believe that $/hour will be higher by playing only turbos because it lasts much shorter and the edge's difference is not so enormous
Responding both:

The hourly rates depends more on your volume than your edge. Of course, a bigger edge brings more profit and better $/h.

But when I say I have a better edge on turbo's, I want to say that the biggest edge I get is by putting pressure on the FT and money bubble. That's where a player who puts volume gets an enormous edge over his opponents.

I can get that edge on regulars, but I think it's much more risky, and most weak players would fold more ("there's still time to get my aces"), instead of making wrong calls (or folds) that they would make in turbos.

This is not something I read somewhere, that's just my view of the game.
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09-28-2014 , 03:32 PM
Gl op
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09-28-2014 , 04:50 PM
GL to ya
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09-29-2014 , 08:15 AM
Reviewed my saturday hands and I admit that I made lots of mistakes. I think 35% of the last hands I played on most tournaments I pushed wrong and almost 15% of wrong decisions overall. As you can see, with the variance I've got just in this specific sessions with a little more errors that I used to make, led me to a devastating bankroll burning (~40BI). Hope this week I can get on track. I was an all time profitable on this kind of SNG (didn't know about it until I filtered it on PT3), and now I've went to 0 profit in just one session. Lame...

I use a macbook pro running OSX, a 32' tv, Apple Keyboard, Logitech Perfomance mouse, an Xbox 360 controller all set up to grind at Pokerstars and PokerTracker 3. But I think the best free and paid poker apps are on Windows. So I'm definitely installing Windows on my mac to grind a little better. PS7, Universal Hand Replayer... I'm buying HM2 and TableNinja soon too, so it's an obvious move.

Thanks for everyone that's following.
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09-29-2014 , 09:21 AM
gl on the tables op

Where are you from? I'm from the us but living in rio
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09-29-2014 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Brand000n
gl on the tables op

Where are you from? I'm from the us but living in rio
I'm from Foz do Iguaçu, PR (Brasil-Paraguai-Argentina triple border, and Iguassu Falls land).

You live in Rio to grind or there are other reasons?

Much thanks for the attention.
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09-29-2014 , 10:40 AM
This is ****ed up. I'm losing every ****ing flip I put myself into, can't believe it sometimes. Yesterday I lost 7 flips in a row, 3 of them were in the bubble or near bubble situations. All the seven tables I was playing suddenly closed. Normal, I thought, tommorow will be a different day. Opened up two tables (100k free and $0.27 Turbo), and guess what? Two flips, two loses again. 9 in a row and counting since yesterday. This isn't too much off?

For me it starts to look like a flip is a dominated hand for me. And when I get a dominated situation, it looks like a flip. Always losing specially in most "can't lose" situations... This is the reason why I got a so bad downswing during my grind saturday...

I know this is just whining, but sometimes I can't help myself..
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09-29-2014 , 02:46 PM
Don't let it get to you man, variance sucks. Just keep making good decisions and reviewing your play. People tend to start changing how they play when they run bad, just focus on the decisions.
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09-29-2014 , 02:59 PM
Sadly we only seem to recall the ones we lose.

there must be plenty of times where your AK has outrun 1010 we just never focus on them

As mentioned keep your focus on the decision in hand. Poker is about logical thinking. Nothing more.

Keep your chin up
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09-29-2014 , 05:45 PM
I know you should relevate these things, but, let's be honest, it's hard lots of times. The good thing is, when playing a BR you can afford, you just get pissed off with the players and the cards, gladly there's no substantial money involved...
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09-30-2014 , 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by mateuschwarz
I'm from Foz do Iguaçu, PR (Brasil-Paraguai-Argentina triple border, and Iguassu Falls land).

You live in Rio to grind or there are other reasons?

Much thanks for the attention.
Right now I do wedding photography and teach english. I'd really like to get on pokerstars because I think I could make more money than teaching english. But as an american I can't get on pokerstars until I can show proof of residence with a utility bill or whatever.

There's a cardroom called Rio Poker Clube here that I've played at a couple times now. They call the tournament the 'baratinho' lol, it's a freeroll but you can rebuy/addon for R$35. It's a really soft field and I cashed both times, got 2nd place last night for $360 so I might start playing it on a regular basis. If you're ever in rio and want to grab a beer and talk poker let me know
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09-30-2014 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Brand000n
Right now I do wedding photography and teach english. I'd really like to get on pokerstars because I think I could make more money than teaching english. But as an american I can't get on pokerstars until I can show proof of residence with a utility bill or whatever.

There's a cardroom called Rio Poker Clube here that I've played at a couple times now. They call the tournament the 'baratinho' lol, it's a freeroll but you can rebuy/addon for R$35. It's a really soft field and I cashed both times, got 2nd place last night for $360 so I might start playing it on a regular basis. If you're ever in rio and want to grab a beer and talk poker let me know
Coincidence or not, a "carioca" friend of mine told me yesterday about this club and cited this specific freeroll tournament hahaha

Well, from the beggining of the year I was griding just live. But it consumes lots of time, and when you bubble or get the first ITM classes it usually doesn't pay for the time playing. Not including the fact that most players that play these tournaments are boring as hell (not to say they keep bitching and saying lots of non sense stuff about poker)...

I transitioned to online because I can play on my own time, and still have a job and a side job. In the beggining I lost a lot because I really didn't understand what I was playing. No planning at all, no forward thinking, no expected profit, ROI or variance. Just playing as I was playing the live tournaments I was used to.

If you want some advices to start playing online, I would say to start with SNGs on a limit that you can put volume without getting money pressure (as you can see, I'm playing $0.50), understand what game you are playing (field size, turbo, hyper, reg, limit) and be aware to the fact that if you don't take a really good care of your decisions and analyse them later you can lose everything in a blink of an eye...

If I go to Rio, sure we could grab a beer, talk poker and take some money from some fishes. And I invite you to do the same if you ever visit my city.
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