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Old 03-17-2012, 08:08 AM   #61
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Re: 45Mans and Beyond...

Last 2 Days (3 Sessions)

highlights,

3rd $50turbo @ PS for ~ $1k
1st $5r Speed @ Party ~ $700
2nd 15/180 ~$500
8th $50 Hyper ~ @ PS $400

i think i only played 15 45s but won a 30 and a 15 and 2nd in a 15.

good couple of days, lost a bunch last night loading loads of $60/18's during peak time. The games play way tougher at those times so need to cut down on my tables, i start timing out anything over 18tables.

my current buyin bracket

($20 - $60 reg speed and $15 - $60 turbos)

but if i do this at peak time loads of games keep poppin up, too many, like u "want" to bust some! not good! maybe need to go $30 - $60 everything for peak times.




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Old 03-17-2012, 04:04 PM   #62
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Re: 45Mans and Beyond...

good job, keep crushin (not me obv)
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Old 03-17-2012, 05:09 PM   #63
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Re: 45Mans and Beyond...

You are trully inspiring me! I am qq'ing way too much over a small volume of game. When I see that you break even during like 700 games before making profit and that you are now 7.5k over I underderstand that I need to be more patient.

Thank you for the lesson
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Old 03-17-2012, 05:57 PM   #64
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Ok, I need some help here. In my previous post I said that I needed to focus on volume. However I have job/college and I can't put in the same amount of time as a full time grinder. Now, 1 hour after I wrote this message I ran like pure crap. I mean so bad that I'm asking myself am I the donk? I am grinding the 3.5$ 18/27/45 man. I am trying to put in like 250 games/week.

Now where I need help is what to do when you KNOW you will get suck out no matter what happen. I'm sure you know what I mean when you get beaten->beaten->beaten then come that hand where you go all in on the turn, the guy has a 3 outer and you don't even need to look at the next card to know you have lost? I want to put in my 250 games + / week but I know I can't do it in this mindset.

Having read all the post I think that you used to be (maybe?) like this. It seems like you have gain quite alot of maturity to get to where you are. I am dying to have a better attitude toward the game however I can't get to it X_X . Maybe a break would be the best ?

As I am typing these words, I just ran another KK vs JJ where a J comes out... Enough QQ now what do you think?

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Old 03-17-2012, 07:46 PM   #65
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Re: 45Mans and Beyond...

glgl, good work so far
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Old 03-18-2012, 01:36 AM   #66
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Jaypez ..how do u grind such long hours. I've seen you do 12-14hr sessions many times. Do you eat balut and work on ur cardio everyday?

I play 3 hrs ..my mind starts drifting, yawning, stomache growls of hunger, arm starts aching from moving the mouse. etc.. etc..
LOL @ "eat balut"!! have u tried it? its ****ing disgusting!

Have a look at this thread.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...hours-1178129/

Right now my life is structured around playing max possible poker at this time. Best thing for me is sleep, i cannot play well or for long when i'm tired.

My working daily schedule right now,

wake up between 9-12, read 2+2 for like 30mins to wake up.
eat breakfast
sometimes exercise sometimes not
get on grind for 5-8 hours (depending if i go deep in mtts)
eat, (walk doggies if they lucky!), sleep if tilted!
get back on grind 5-8 hours
eat
sleep 9+ hours

often i dont have enough hours in the day, so i have a tendancy for my body clock to get later and later, but i dont mind that because it means u play different mtts so its not the same everyday. but when i have a hangover i make sure i goto bed really early since i'll sleep easy and through to right my bodyclock again.

before when i wasn't playing 18mans and had sync breaks i'd play 1 long session instead of 2 short ones.

i dont have any house chores as i have family who take care of all that stuff as they staying rent free.

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How do you feel about needling & berating players online? I have never been or done such things online..but i think i mite start adding that dynamic to my game.

Do you know of any good one liners I can use?
i'm against any negative chat at the tables. poker tables should be a fun friendly place for players to enjoy themselves. any needling berating bad regs / fish is just in the long run make them quit playing or improve their game, i dont want them to do either.
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Old 03-18-2012, 04:36 AM   #67
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LOL ...the guy u tryed to bluff with the Ah10h in the $33 just bubbled me out too!! ..(I was convinced u rivered flush..unfortunately fishy called)....Wow ..I'm still unsure how that pot got so big...well i know how..but that sorta sucks how you picked up so many chips then spewed em off. LOL .. I hope that doesnt make you feel bad. I'm a spewtard and have been doing that late in mtts too

The way the hand played out made sense to me tho ....you could've very likely been on spade draw. ..Because if you did have QQ I dont think you would've jammed the river when the Ks hit. I know I'd have a very hard time calling that river jam.

9h3s9s ...5h...Ks

(ya I don't needle or berate either I think i was on tilt when I typed that note.) ..yes I have eaten balut ..um I actually like it..but I'm Asian so was introduced to it at a young age...LOL ...for a white guy I can understand LOL

Well GL ship the Micro $5 rebuy !!..I'm not playing mtts and post flop play are too high level for me ..LOL

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Old 03-18-2012, 10:02 AM   #68
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Re: 45Mans and Beyond...

Quick update, gonna take the night off since i'm spewing a bit! Burnout tilt i think...

Will respond to questions and stuff later.

Last 2 Days 2 sessions

Been doing bit **** on 18man might give them a break few a few days. would be nice to have sync breaks back anyway, maybe just play them off peak (way softer) we shall see.

Tournament highlights

4th PS 6max 44fo ~ $500 Spewed of my stack on a dumb bluff when i had chip lead, reppin thin and he ended up having quads :|

6th Party 30r ~$500 play bit weak passive cause of the spew in the 44fo had a good stack and kinda melted away

2nd 888 6max 6r ~ $650 had big chip lead, but played bad hu vs fishie aggro guy, hu lasted ages and i lost it when he did a big reship kk vs my 88 had done a few large reships.

1st 888 22fo ~ $700 had big chip lead again, went from shortest stack with 14 left to massive chip leader abusing final table bubble without showdown table played really tight so experimented with instead going nutso with bigstack, just protecting it and waiting for players to bust, then ramped up the aggression later. once effective stacks got deeper again with 4 left. seem to work well.

So losing on PS but winning on the euros, all good i guess.

Session graph not quite accurate but close



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Old 03-19-2012, 12:07 AM   #69
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Re: 45Mans and Beyond...

I hate that feature ..show cards b4 they fold... I always think they called...LOL
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Old 03-19-2012, 04:01 AM   #70
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Re: 45Mans and Beyond...

GO JAYPEZ GO!! IN THE $8.80 2R1A AND THE $51 HYPER ...Do you have ur observer chat off...cause i'm cheerin ya on.

And go me go in the $33 2.5k
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Old 03-19-2012, 05:32 AM   #71
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Right like nearly all strat threads in mttsng there is a lot of information missing. IE READS. the 45s player base is pretty small and so you should be aware whos fishie, who calls light, whos trying to ladder, who knows icm etc etc.

in this hand, with no information the hand is very hard to say as my ranges will be completely different depending on whos in BB,SB,BUT,MP2 (order of importance)
Right, sorry. I completely forgot that. I think BB and SB is the most important here. He only have 3bb left after posting antes+bb. That said, if heres not a maniac or a reg calling wide I still think its okay to shove (kinda btm range).

Say either BB, BUT or MP2 is known for calling u wide. How much would u tighten ur range, i mean, i still get like KT in there?

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1. icm is always a factor, just depends on how much u weight it depending whats going to happen in the future hands.
Right, are u also considering ICM when like 14 left? And say we are ITM, how much u considering laddering, respecting ICM vs keeping ur stack at a reasonable level. Like we are always so shallow on FTs at 45man.

Think its easier i post a hand to illustrated. See next post itt lol.

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2. yes, the next blind jump is huge.
Yeah and that is probably the mean reason I wanna shove here. Like if blinds soon go up and we havnt picked up any chips we will be at like 6k and blinds 1.2k. Maybe even lower if we didnt shove in the next 2 hands. Then we would be down to 5k at least.

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3. possibly, you can probably still ladder a couple of spots by waiting, but with no reads i still think its a shove, would probably fold k7s.
Glad u mentioned this. How much are u considering laddering here. I mean its still 9 handed, 2 more has to bust before ITM, theres noone rly that short. The shortest stacks are only 1 double away fro having our stack.

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4. i'm not going to give out my exact ranges for spots, but i much prefer suited/connected when calling ranges are very tight, in this spot they are not so bigger cards better. + suited! k8s is near the bottom of my range here. best to err on the tight side when dealing with uncertainty around the bubble. (due to lack of information).
Totally ok. Im pretty sure i got a good idea that my range isnt to bad here TY for taking time to answering sir!

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1. in relation to average stack you mean, good question. i think the larger the average stack : blinds ratio you should play similar ranges to a smaller average stack : ratio??? not sure might have to post somewhere and find out that theory. someone post if they know the answer.
Right, im not sure about this either. But ill try to figure it out.

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this is where stuff gets more complicated and you really got to think about whats the probability of whats likely to happen over the next few hands. an important point to consider, who is getting desperate to chip up and who is not ship vs the guys who are not. determine that on stacksize/player type.

would probably require an essay to answer this question in full.

2. when i first saw the hand i thought snap fold. but i changed my mind and i'll ship it assuming this is the same final table. i'd rather take gambles with this stack size in these stages of the tournament much more then others. getting the chip lead at this stage will gain me a lot of future ev. also once i figured this is probably tight table i think our fe will be quite high.

say the blinds called and you drop down to a tiny stack, playing these spots also requires more skill then ppl think. so many mistakes happen on 45man tables that you still have a good chance of cashing.
Yeah and its so important imo. Cause in both cases we dont want to make the wrong decision here. Its such an important spot imo. Like we barely wanna lose half our stack here, but at the same time we wanna build our stack and dont care to much if we bust 9th. Also next blindlevel will be bb1600 so i think we should somehow prevent being to short when we go into that level as people will be more likely to have a smaller stack, which equals less FE for us.

And again, its still 9 handed, so 2 more has to bust before we are itm. So we can already now kinda predict that this will go 5 handed at bb2000 where everyone will be soooo shallow!

This makes me wanna shove this to. But im not sure my thoughtproces is right.

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3. when multitabling a lot its hard, but if a decisions close i'll check. sometimes i'll have a feel from when its about to move up just cause i folded like 9ish hands that level.
We learned that when in doubt "shove wide, call tight" lol. But when ur in doubt at FT, u still go by that?

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4. again near the bottom of my range.
TY for taking time to answer!
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And say we are ITM, how much u considering laddering, respecting ICM vs keeping ur stack at a reasonable level. Like we are always so shallow on FTs at 45man.

Think its easier i post a hand to illustrated. See next post itt lol.
800/1600 Blinds 75 Ante (7 handed)

CO (t9655)
Button (t22812)
SB (t6362)
BB (t6387)
UTG (t7690)
Hero (MP1) (t8039)
MP2 (t6555)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 7, J
1 fold, Hero...

So now we are itm. As predicted we have a small stack, but at the same time we are 3/7.

In 2 hands blinds hits us. If we go thro blinds we will be down to like 5.5k. Thats like 3.5bb at the 1600bb level. If blinds go up to 2k, we will have only 1.5bb lol.

Do u consider laddering here or are u preferring to keep ur stack at a reasonable size?

In this hand bb is a tight reg. And BTN wasnt out of line either. SB was unknown to me.

What are ur thoughts in these spots?
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good job, keep crushin (not me obv)
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glgl, good work so far
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When I see that you break even during like 700 games before making profit and that you are now 7.5k over I underderstand that I need to be more patient.
think my longest breakeven streak at 45mans is ~ 1250 games, yeah just need to put in the volume.

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Ok, I need some help here. In my previous post I said that I needed to focus on volume. However I have job/college and I can't put in the same amount of time as a full time grinder. Now, 1 hour after I wrote this message I ran like pure crap. I mean so bad that I'm asking myself am I the donk? I am grinding the 3.5$ 18/27/45 man. I am trying to put in like 250 games/week.

Now where I need help is what to do when you KNOW you will get suck out no matter what happen. I'm sure you know what I mean when you get beaten->beaten->beaten then come that hand where you go all in on the turn, the guy has a 3 outer and you don't even need to look at the next card to know you have lost? I want to put in my 250 games + / week but I know I can't do it in this mindset.

Having read all the post I think that you used to be (maybe?) like this. It seems like you have gain quite alot of maturity to get to where you are. I am dying to have a better attitude toward the game however I can't get to it X_X . Maybe a break would be the best ?

As I am typing these words, I just ran another KK vs JJ where a J comes out... Enough QQ now what do you think?
I think you just gotta learn not to be affected by what happens after the chips have gone in. if i'm mass tabling i'll try not to watch the showdowns, i'll only check to see what hand they had to help me determine their ranges in future.

If you're getting affected a lot by the swings of all ins, i would advise playing some reg speed $3/18s $3/27s instead of turbos. They are way softer, since so few regs play those tourneys. there will be a lot less all in preflop and a lot more postflop. This will lead to a higher roi therefore less downswings also. Your $ per hour may be lower as they take twice as long, but you could move up the the reg speed $6/$7's to compensate for that. There are also very few regs in the reg speed $7's either. Reg speeds also improve you much better as a player.

you could start session with reg speeds then the 2 hours before u wanna stop add turbos for another hour. then all the games should finish same time.

Regarding tilt issues check out jared tendlers videos on this you tube channel. Good to learn all about tilt so that you understand it and realise when its happening. (its free)

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LOL ...the guy u tryed to bluff with the Ah10h in the $33 just bubbled me out too!!

The way the hand played out made sense to me tho ....you could've very likely been on spade draw. ..Because if you did have QQ I dont think you would've jammed the river when the Ks hit. I know I'd have a very hard time calling that river jam.
    Poker Stars, $30 Buy-in (200/400 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12215202

    CO: 11,515 (28.8 bb)
    BTN: 6,375 (15.9 bb)
    SB: 6,451 (16.1 bb)
    BB: 24,428 (61.1 bb)
    MP1: 11,052 (27.6 bb)
    Hero (MP2): 22,574 (56.4 bb)
    MP3: 27,087 (67.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A T
    MP1 folds, Hero raises to 800, 4 folds, BB raises to 2,000, Hero calls 1,200

    Flop: (4,550) 9 3 9 (2 players)
    BB bets 2,400, Hero calls 2,400

    Turn: (9,350) 5 (2 players)
    BB bets 4,800, Hero calls 4,800

    River: (18,950) K (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets 13,324 and is all-in, BB calls 13,324

    Results: 45,598 pot
    Final Board: 9 3 9 5 K
    BB showed A K and won 45,598 (23,024 net)
    Hero showed A T and lost (-22,574 net)



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    I think i played it bad,

    pre: that was the 4th hand i raised in a row so there was no way i was folding

    flop: is questionable but ok

    turn: should have shiped (and i'd ship all my value hands i got there with on turn) and put him to the decision then, wasn't sure if i could fold out ak at the time tho, but still hard decisions to call it off.

    river: i figured he would fold out some mid pairs / random junky hands that i dont beat. i also have very few bluffs in my range, only hands i'd turn into bluff + random floats. unfortuantly he was like "i has ak, pot is big call!"

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    I hate that feature ..show cards b4 they fold... I always think they called...LOL
    aha i love the free info!

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    GO JAYPEZ GO!! IN THE $8.80 2R1A AND THE $51 HYPER ...Do you have ur observer chat off...cause i'm cheerin ya on.

    And go me go in the $33 2.5k
    ya 2nd in that hyper, disapointed not to win with big cl hu oh wells gotta run like god to get 2nd anyway. i didn't see your obs chat, had a bunch of tables going. how u do in the $33?
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    Old 03-19-2012, 10:58 AM   #75
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    A Good one! no 18mans, great to have sync breaks. Still a bit sick, not going to get better sitting in a smokey room all day because i have no break to go outside and smoke.

    played between $7 and $109 as mttsng traffic is always slow this time of the week (post sunday).

    Tournament Highlights

    2nd PS $51 Hyper ~ $1300
    1st 888 $55 Reg Speed fo ~ $1000 (888 died at start of ft, everyone disconned for 10 mins, bits stressful, as support is crap and i had over 1/3rd chips in play with 8 left.)
    7th PS $82 Hyper ~$330 ( :/ Very Top Heavy Pay Structure)

    Bunch of other final tables and small cashes ~ $250 and less.

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