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45Mans and Beyond... 45Mans and Beyond...

02-22-2012 , 09:55 AM
Hi Peeps

After becoming an avid follower of a couple of peoples threads in this forum i think its time for me to make my own, i need a public place to put my goals so that i achieve them.

About Me:

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2005 Started playing online poker, studying at sussex uni, brighton, uk.

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2006 Droped out of uni, went traveling as a pro playing small/mid mtts

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2007 playing hsmtt, i moved to Manila, Philippines and have lived here ever since

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2008 After a bad WCOOP and bored of tournaments switched to msnl

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2009 Failed SNE charge at msnl, got to 600k VPPS

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2010 Completely burned out from poker quit altogether to try my hand at sports betting, Betting in play on the masters was a huge rush that hadn't experienced in poker for a long time. So betting on golf primary income.

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2011 September, i overbet on my sports betting roll, which was dwindling due to life expenses. Had a terrible week where i lost pretty much every bet i placed and completely decimated my sports roll. Moved to my fiances home town in province about 30mins south of manila. Came back to poker to make some money playing some 50nl, small stakes mtt and mttsng as i was already commited to finance opening a bar up in philippines.



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2012

Here were my goals for the year taken from

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...hread-1143875/

[ ] no 1 on sharkscope for 45's money earned
[ ] play 0 cash hands
[ ] play 0 live hands
[ ] be playing full sunday schedule in by april
[ ] $100k online roll sitting on the betting exchanges with just a few k on the pokersites so that i can spew in the super tuesday and not care.
[ ] get reacquainted with old poker pals and start talking strat and get some feedback on my new wacky stylee.
[ ] do some sngwiz stuff and then completely disregard it
[ ] learn and beat $200+ buyin sngs esp 6 max
[ ] have a good pop at those $30 hypers (sng) and see if they are worth playing
[ ] get really good at excel vba
[ ] finally get my new version of my sports betting model finished and rigorously backtested
[ ] Have an office with stable internet (maybe impossible in philippines :| ) where i set up dedicated server for my bot on the exchanges then a separate computer for pokerz. Better that i goto "work" everyday rather just bum around the house working when i feel like it (which is most of the time).

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Jan 2012

January Goals

[] 5k games

Bar opened but huge internal problems with the management / partners. Reached a settlement to get them out, still owe my uncle some money lent to get the business open.



1600 = had some horrible life **** to sort out with personal and legal problems with my biz.
1950 = busto'd roll, had to play $1/45 & $3/45 to work back up
2800 = last of fpps used, playing $2/180 & $3/45
2950 = huge win from a tiny $4fo for $700 so had some money in my account to play a proper session again.

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Feb 2012

Feb Goals

[] Dont Go Busto again
[] Stay top of leaderboard for 45's
[] 4.5k games
[] $2.2 per game
[] pay off all outstanding debts
[] get my business open again


Month so far



Still playing off a $1k roll, but i keep busto'ing it playing 180s and mtts. I busto'd my account at 2000 games and 2500 games. Had to go do down $1.5 and $3.5 to get out of it.

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Yesterday



monster 16 hour through the night session, slight paused due to stars outage, and the rolled back tourneys not included on the graph, but i'm +$1.2k for the session.

session started with $200ish and 20k fpps. it involved registering for all the 45's that i could afford to get up to 18 tables and then reregistering anything $3.5/45 and above once i cashed. Bad start so used up all my fpps on $50 bonus's. had been running really bad in the $30s which was massivly hindering my process. went on raging tilt after this hand

    Poker Stars, $27.65 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11955672

    SB: 960 (32 bb)
    BB: 1,440 (48 bb)
    UTG+2: 1,450 (48.3 bb)
    MP1: 3,555 (118.5 bb)
    MP2: 1,470 (49 bb)
    Hero (MP3): 1,465 (48.8 bb)
    CO: 1,705 (56.8 bb)
    BTN: 1,455 (48.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q Q
    3 folds, Hero raises to 60, CO raises to 150, 3 folds, Hero raises to 300, CO calls 150

    Flop: (645) T A 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets 90, CO calls 90

    Turn: (825) 5 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO checks

    River: (825) 8 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets 240, Hero calls 240

    Results: 1,305 pot
    Final Board: T A 4 5 8
    Hero mucked Q Q and lost (-630 net)
    CO showed 3 A and won 1,305 (675 net)



    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


    was 4am and tired and i decided to fold the river but i misclicked call instead. after much shouting and banging of the desk i took a 45min break. manged to cash for $230ish in the remaining ones.

    Came back then shiped 2 $30's out of the last 3 that ran, and won / high finishes in a bunch of $15's saw the session through v nicely

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    Rest of the month

    so i going to stick to the 45s until the end of march. Even if my $/hour is higher playing bigger mtts and $15/180s i cant keep going busto so need to keep the variance low. After a small cashout, my roll will remain at $1139 until i've paid off my uncles debt and my business settlement. In march i plan to try to play 5000 games at $2 a game which should provide me all the money that i need to get myself back on track and start roll building, moving up again, so i can start making good $ and get back to working on sports again.

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    Ok tl:dr

    Heres the last graph for my 45mans since i started playing again.



    Going to start a session soon its 21:41pm here and the first $30/45 of the day has got 34/45 players reg'd so dont wanna missed it.

    I will try to update the thread often but i'm really crap at posting on 2+2, its normally just long posts every now and again.

    GL with poker and life all.

    JayPez
    02-22-2012 , 10:06 AM
    Subbed, good luck.
    02-22-2012 , 10:58 AM
    You're a sicko, subb'd, looks like it will be a good read.

    But wait, so youve gone busto twice from sports betting and want to build up another sports roll to eventually go busto again?? Degens gunna degen.
    02-22-2012 , 11:01 AM
    GL!
    02-22-2012 , 11:09 AM
    glgl
    how many tables you play at once? seems to be alot
    QQ- 90 seems to be a pretty pointless bet imo either bet like 1/3 pot or just c/c one street also 4b could be more since were oop but not a big deal either way imo
    02-22-2012 , 11:16 AM
    GL dude hope you crush
    02-22-2012 , 11:43 AM
    GL sir, would luv to check out the bar someday!
    02-22-2012 , 11:47 AM
    GL yo
    02-22-2012 , 11:55 AM
    Jeez, i would be out of my mind having to grind back up so often, props.

    Hope you get out of it, so you can GTFO of my games!
    02-22-2012 , 02:15 PM
    GL Jaypez.
    Don't think I've loaded a single session this year without you being in every single one of my games, lol. Good effort on the volume.
    Looks like you've got 1st on the leaderboard locked, you're a long way out of reach. Congrats so far and all the best for the future.
    R
    02-22-2012 , 02:15 PM
    gl!
    02-22-2012 , 02:49 PM
    gl man.

    how many hours a day are u putting? and how many tables you play?

    go, go.
    02-22-2012 , 03:50 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Syker12
    But wait, so youve gone busto twice from sports betting and want to build up another sports roll to eventually go busto again?? Degens gunna degen.
    over 18months using a $30k roll. i'm up about $50k on betfair, didn't keep acurate records on my initial bets from the start so not sure about the bookies but prob up about $15k. just my life more expensive then that. right now i just need to be on the grind build up my poker roll.

    EG. once i got $10k or so i can leave like $7k on the exchanges/bookies rest on poker sites, work on my sports stuff, leave the bots running, place few bets with the bookies. As i've only been betting on golf there arn't that many betting opportunities since theres only really 2 events per week to bet on with any liquidity. so hard for that to be my only income. the rest of the time i will play poker. Poker income gonna decline over time so i gotta diversify or i fail and have to go back to england and get a JOB

    also i'm not true busto just cash busto, i own a lot of land here (to build a house) worth about $85k, and a couple of small houses. i dont wanna borrow or get staked or anything so i'll grind it up. this is forcing me to stop spending money and realise its value

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by D33P
    gl man.

    how many hours a day are u putting? and how many tables you play?

    go, go.
    i tile over a 24" and my laptop, i dont like to go over 18 as the tables go really small on my laptop, i also play **** also when i play more then 18, always timing out and stuff. too old to try stacking, i'd lose a lot of my edge if i did anyway i think.

    at the moment i'm playing around 7 - 12 hours a day 6 days a week. at the moment i'm playing through the night to play the 30s, but i'll switch my body clock round, prob have early 4am starts and play 8 hours a day next month, try and get 200 games in a day. i might add a couple of deepstack mtt and bigs when i do that to force me to play long sessions.

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    anywho heres couple of pics of the bar, kept it small at first so i can sort out all the teething problems. Good thing i did with all the **** thats already gone down! by december next it will be moving to new location, maybe out into a provincial town as this area is already oversaturated with bars/restaurants. right now still sorting out all the inventories, accounts, operational procedures, menus, trialing marketing techniques blah blah blah. whole thing now its like a trial/learning how to getting involved with business that doesn't involve gambling.





    thanks for the encouragement!
    02-22-2012 , 04:21 PM
    Thats cleared it up a bit, your OP made it sound like you were a degen :-)

    Bar looks sweet, carry on crushing!!!
    02-22-2012 , 10:23 PM
    glgl sir!
    02-22-2012 , 10:25 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Robinho2611
    GL Jaypez.
    Looks like you've got 1st on the leaderboard locked, you're a long way out of reach. Congrats so far and all the best for the future.
    R
    not at all, i gotta build up a lead now cause prob wont be putting much volume at them later on this year.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by j00hndayton
    GL sir, would luv to check out the bar someday!
    you will have to come to Philippines then!



    great session

    feeling confident after yesterdays win and continued my hot streak despite not cashing a $30, only played 8 tho.

    think i might be done with 3's besides a few at the start and the end of sessions. cant seem to take them seriously anymore, prefering the 6 reg speeds as fillers right now.

    the bar had its first fight in there last night no harm done tho. was no other customers in there expect the ones involved at the time. guy who started it was drunk, went off with a bloody nose and went crying to the police, they already know him and ignored him as hes had lots of complaints made against him.

    02-23-2012 , 03:38 AM
    glglgl sir. Impressive how u beat these things!
    02-23-2012 , 04:50 AM
    gl sir, u r always one of those guys i dont wanna see at the tables.

    btw, how many tables u play at a time? 30+?
    02-23-2012 , 08:09 AM
    Nice read!
    02-23-2012 , 09:36 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by crazittle
    gl sir, u r always one of those guys i dont wanna see at the tables.

    btw, how many tables u play at a time? 30+?
    read above.. he already answered this
    02-23-2012 , 11:59 PM
    tired so quick update,

    good session, shipped a $15 in the 400/800 level which is my quickest 45man win ever! 2 4ths in the 30's. the 1st one my ajo > kk, with 9 left, then ran my stack up to 43k or so 4 handed, and proceded to lose 6 showdowns in a row to bust 4th, still ran good to get there tho.

    Still toying around with playing around with how passive/aggressive i should be short handed at final tables. The thing i love about 45s is how each final table is completely different, depending on the regs/recs, positions, stack sizes, blinds etc etc. This current run good is giving me more freedom/confidence to try new things on final tables. instead of just shove shove, flatting bb, min raising, small 3bets etc etc. some of its working some of its not, fun finding out tho.

    session




    month

    02-25-2012 , 06:04 AM
    this is probably boring and tl:dr but i'm posting it anway, this thread is kinda becoming a work blog/diary, where i actually have a chance to think about stuff. its also giving me a motivation to grind.

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    my bodyclock still all over the place, woke up 1:30am, started session at 2:30am. my goal was to get my total profit over $10k on the sharkscope leaderboard. there were loads of games running and the 45s looked as tough as i'd seen them. i actually really enjoy it when the games play harder, makes it a lot more interesting then just stack a donk.

    as lots of 15s and 30s running, i wanted to make sure i played well and made good individual decisions on each hand, so i made sure that i didn't go above 18 tables, and 12-18 table most of the session. i thought i played really well, with just a few mistakes creeping in near the end so i decided to take a break.

    i've taken to not looking at the cashier at all until i've only got a couple of tables left before i goto quit.

    (got that from this excellent thread)
    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...-tl-dr-947149/ )

    pretty shocked to see the the downswong.



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    random ramblings
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    what i want to remember from this day is the attitude i had towards it during my break, how it differs from just playing 45's instead of mixing in 180s and mtts.

    still as of now i need to keep my roll to $1139. once it goes over i need to make a withdrawal to save towards paying off my debts. i dont want to make any deposits, if it goes down too low to buyin for everything i'll just grind it up from the $3's.

    during this month i've been playing as high as 20rs, 30 1r1a, 82 hypers etc off my $1139, buying in for whatever i could to get the tables up. i feel i am still +ev in the games despite my long absense from mid/high stakes mtts.

    having that $1139 and exclusively playing 45s allows me not to have to check the cashier while i'm playing or spend time working out which buyins i can afford to play to get 18 tables up.

    i spoke with my gf on one of the breaks, i said i'm not getting lucky, but theres loads of games running and i'm playing well, she said its good you sound like your enjoying it.

    its true, i am enjoying poker much more since now since exclusively playing the 45's. i hope this lasts!

    not having to deal with the variance of busto'in my account by playing 180's and mtt's, and spending my whole time working out what i can afford to play is NOT the way to go about it. its still really frustrating knowing that i could be playing higher and making more money but taking the low variance path for another month is the way to go for me and my sanity right now.

    the thought of completely busto'ing my roll doesn't even cross my mind right now as playing just 45's forces me to play reg speed 6's and 3's. as my roi in these is higher it massively reduces my variance. i feel like i'm so stupid its taken me so long to really realise that less risk = long term higher $ev. not just in poker, but in sports and life too i guess. i always just look at straight up $ev and think about risk later. i've always just thought "hey i'm professional gambler i can handle the variance" which is true, i can handle it like other people in the world cannot, but it is not the longer term $ev for me.

    the reason i overbet my sports betting roll before was because my life was getting to expensive for my current earning capacity on that income on such a small roll. its easy to think that i'm betting fractional kelly i can never go broke! but my whole roll was in play each week betting fractional kelly on multiple scenarios, possibly overestimating my edge, having huge exposure on certain golfs not to win the tournament. the black swan had to occur at some point i guess

    --golf off topic.
    the thing that really screwed me was justin rose winning the tour championship of a 30 runner event. he form previously had been awful, but he took the commanding lead from day 1 and because it was a limited field event i had little/no oppertunities to reduce my exposure as no one came close to catching him as the field was so small. it was also a week where there was no european golf so i had double the exposure on that market then usual. i was also in singapore that weekend working on my new model with a friend there and was not able to monitor my bets. thing to note, keep exposure lower on small field events

    however live and learn and come back stronger!

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    theres a great thread in hsnl

    [url]http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19/high-stakes-pl-nl/how-do-you-get-over-massive-losses-1159531/[url]

    for me been a long process of frustration off getting over the fact that in 2008 i had over $200k sitting on the pokersites (before i realised that they were probably not the safest places to keep my entire net worth!) to go to having a $1k online roll playing $10 tournaments for a living. i got berated in the chat by a reg stating the fall off "JayPez" grinding micros for a living after this crazy hand. (he later told me he was just joking around, nps )

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    PokerStars Game #72941707819: Tournament #491326970, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIII (6000/12000) - 2011/12/29 16:37:43 CCT [2011/12/29 3:37:43 ET]
    Table '491326970 5' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 3: xxxxxxxx (493912 in chips)
    Seat 5: scheppse (36000 in chips)
    Seat 6: JayPez (214200 in chips)
    Seat 8: Shouganaine (264888 in chips)
    xxxxxxxxx: posts the ante 1200
    scheppse: posts the ante 1200
    JayPez: posts the ante 1200
    Shouganaine: posts the ante 1200
    Shouganaine: posts small blind 6000
    xxxxxxxxx: posts big blind 12000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to JayPez [Ah 9c]
    scheppse: folds
    JayPez: raises 12000 to 24000
    Shouganaine: folds
    xxxxxxxxx: raises 468712 to 492712 and is all-in
    JayPez: calls 189000 and is all-in

    he had 26o. i'll stand by raise call play even with the icm implications, i wrote him a long strat post in a pm if people are interested to read it will post it

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    one of the posts i like in that "how do you get over massive losses thread" is

    "We are where we are today... work with what you've got."

    where am i today with regards to my work? i'm making very steady solid money grinding a low variance game which require very little capital to play. I think with the amount of volume i'm putting in in these games i could become the best at the format then out of everybody who plays them. sure, i'm not making as much as i was 3-4 years ago in poker but then there are very few players who played then that still are. So i am very thankful that i still have the opportunity to still make money at this game, as black friday shows it could all be taken away in an instance, so i will make the most of it while its there.

    this is why i am glad to make this thread as it makes me think for a bit, and actually post on 2+2 because before i was ashamed. i'm no longer the baller that plays $1ks and $5/10nl, but right now i'm contented. i hope this feeling lasts!


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    so anyway back to 45's, i tried to work out if it was possible for me to grind as many of them as possible to get my to my expectation of $1219 to get me to that $10k on the leaderboard. at $2 a game (probably less since its off peak, and no $30s and few $15s running) that 600 games which would probably take me a good 24hours to do, so i gave up on that idea and just decided to play another block of games until they really die (about 3am est) where i struggle to even get 12 tables of $3s+ running.

    so anyway i smashed it after i got nearly all of it back with a 100% roi over 67 3's which i'm especially happy with as i havn't been making the correct adjustments for all the fishies in them.





    anyway long emo post.

    i'm out!
    02-25-2012 , 06:08 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by crazittle
    gl sir, u r always one of those guys i dont wanna see at the tables.
    thanks, thats good, thats part of my overall gameplan, metagame.
    02-25-2012 , 06:31 AM
    glad i got all that off my chest! all that **** done now.

    my goals for march will be

    [] 5k games 45 mans
    [] $20k on sharkscope leaderboard for total 2012 profit 4-6 table
    [] gym twice a week
    [] swimming once a week

    last post until march.
    02-25-2012 , 06:50 AM
    I have subscribed to ur thread...so keep posting ur ramblings ..good stuff..

    btw i'm getting sick/bored of 45s and getting exploited so gonna grind the mtts for a bit until i bust my roll.

          
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