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03-02-2015 , 06:29 AM
I agree, bet fold is way better than check / call.

I just think you get way more calls from worse hands compared to the amount of times your going to get raised.

Just do not think players bluff raise the river as often as people presume... just check how many times this player or any player raises the river ...

I think 28% WTSD is a touch high ( won at SD % ? ) so im betting this river like always.
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03-02-2015 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Husker
What if he had been a decent reg instead ?
Since your range is uncapped and can hold all combos of flush draws, it would be a suicide raise as a bluff without some sort of history,or rock solid read from villain.

I would bet fold this vs almost anyone on this texture in these positions, but vs a really good reg it could be a bet/call but I would need some history or some reads that he can bluff raise river with air here and the majority of the population is not doing this. Even if you were exploited by folding a set here and bluffed off of the best hand you can be pretty confident that the other 9/10 times it happens it's the nuts.

Last edited by TheFunBegins; 03-02-2015 at 03:19 PM.
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03-02-2015 , 05:36 PM
Had my worst session for a while today.



Fortunately I didn't flop anything strong in the las 1/3rd of the session or I'd probably be down another couple of buy ins

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03-03-2015 , 03:44 PM
Things continue to be rather frustrating today. Following on from yesterday I seem to have caught 3bet pot aids

1) Villain is very aggro and plays 23/20/11.2

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

UTG+1 ($26.33)
MP1 ($9.90)
MP2 ($53.17)
Hero (CO) ($25)
Button ($19.20)
SB ($27.26)
BB ($35.23)
UTG ($25.45)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 10, J
3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.60, 3 folds, MP2 calls $1.85

Flop: ($5.55) 6, 7, 10 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $3, MP2 calls $3

Turn: ($11.55) 9 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks

River: ($11.55) K (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $8.08, MP2 raises to $47.57 (All-In), Hero calls $11.32 (All-In)

Total pot: $50.35 | Rake: $2.51

Spoiler:

MP2 had 8, A (flush, Ace high).
Hero had 10, J (flush, King high).
Outcome: MP2 won $47.84



2) Villain is 39/26/9 over 197 hands

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

BB ($18.11)
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($25)
Hero (MP1) ($25.45)
MP2 ($25)
CO ($20.52)
Button ($34.82)
SB ($35.48)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 7, 7
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, CO raises to $1.25, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.85) 5, 8, 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($2.85) A (2 players)
Hero bets $1.99, CO raises to $3.98, Hero raises to $7.50, CO raises to $19.27 (All-In), Hero calls $11.77

River: ($41.39) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $41.39 | Rake: $2.06

Spoiler:

Hero had 7, 7 (three of a kind, sevens).
CO had 8, 8 (three of a kind, eights).
Outcome: CO won $39.33
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03-03-2015 , 03:50 PM
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03-03-2015 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TheFunBegins
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I hope that's not in anticipation of a meltdown
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03-03-2015 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Husker
Things continue to be rather frustrating today. Following on from yesterday I seem to have caught 3bet pot aids

1) Villain is very aggro and plays 23/20/11.2

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

UTG+1 ($26.33)
MP1 ($9.90)
MP2 ($53.17)
Hero (CO) ($25)
Button ($19.20)
SB ($27.26)
BB ($35.23)
UTG ($25.45)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 10, J
3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.60, 3 folds, MP2 calls $1.85

Flop: ($5.55) 6, 7, 10 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $3, MP2 calls $3

Turn: ($11.55) 9 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks

River: ($11.55) K (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $8.08, MP2 raises to $47.57 (All-In), Hero calls $11.32 (All-In)

Total pot: $50.35 | Rake: $2.51

Spoiler:

MP2 had 8, A (flush, Ace high).
Hero had 10, J (flush, King high).
Outcome: MP2 won $47.84


Really dislike the 3bet with JTs


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Originally Posted by Husker
I hope that's not in anticipation of a meltdown
lol no, It will turn around don't worry
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03-03-2015 , 05:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFunBegins
Really dislike the 3bet with JTs
Villain is really tricky to play against, even when he's oop, so I preferred going for the 3bet instead of calling
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03-03-2015 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Husker
Villain is really tricky to play against, even when he's oop, so I preferred going for the 3bet instead of calling

I dont like the 3Bet with JTs either. If the villain is tricky to play against and he is also aggressive, then arent we expecting him to fight hard for the pot? and with JTs are we not just making life difficult for ourself.

If there was a couple of big fish behind I could understand calling but otherwise im happy enough to fold JTs here.
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03-04-2015 , 05:18 AM
I was mainly basing my decision on the fact he only folds 38% to 3bets but he's folding 60% to cbets in a 3 bet pot in this spot.
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03-04-2015 , 06:04 AM
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03-04-2015 , 07:37 AM
I dislike the whole hand. 3betting is not great but probably not as big a mistake as betting the flop or your sizing on the river. Your opponent smashes this board so you'll get raised a lot and have to fold your hand, plus you have really good showdown value. On the river you have the nuts besides an occasional AQ or A8 flush, and you can also have lots of really good bluffs like AQ or AJ with the blocker so you can shove, or if you think he's really crazy and will call you with 2 pair or turn a pair into a bluff then you should bet smaller.
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03-04-2015 , 08:33 AM
What hands do you guys prefer as a 3bet here then? And you gonna flat JTs?
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03-04-2015 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by qwertz1
What hands do you guys prefer as a 3bet here then? And you gonna flat JTs?


3 betting ranges will change depending on villain's tendencies & who is behind me
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03-07-2015 , 07:44 AM
Had a good session yesterday. I tend to find Fridays are a day of extremes, you either win a fair bit or lose a fair bit. There is no in between. Anyway, here's some hands

1) This is versus the 23/29/11 villain who stacked me in the flush over flush hand in a 3bet pot I posted a few days ago so I felt fairly satisfied with the outcome of this. I thought of squeezing but I wanted the BTN in the hand.


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

Button ($30.58)
SB ($30.74)
Hero (BB) ($34.56)
UTG ($20.77)
UTG+1 ($14.39)
MP1 ($23.66)
MP2 ($39.91)
MP3 ($15.73)
CO ($4.29)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, J
3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Button calls $0.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.35) K, Q, 10 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $2, Button calls $2, Hero raises to $7, MP2 calls $5, 1 fold

Turn: ($18.35) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $9, MP2 calls $9

River: ($36.35) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $17.81 (All-In), MP2 calls $17.81

Total pot: $71.97 | Rake: $3

Spoiler:

Hero had A, J (straight, Ace high).
MP2 had 9, J (straight, King high).
Outcome: Hero won $68.97



2) This hand played itself. Does anyone else not look at a table when they're all in or is it just me? Sometimes I minimise the table before it shows the villains cards, other times I check their cards and then just minimise but I never know the result until the table pops up for the next hand and then I immediately look at my chip stack. Anyone else have this particular quirk or is it just me?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (BB) ($25.25)
UTG ($23.65)
UTG+1 ($8.19)
MP1 ($25.50)
MP2 ($23.65)
MP3 ($30.30)
CO ($16.34)
Button ($41.67)
SB ($27.54)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, J
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, 1 fold, CO calls $0.25, Button raises to $1.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.25, MP2 calls $1.25, CO calls $1.25

Flop: ($6.10) 9, 2, J (4 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets $14.84 (All-In), Button raises to $40.17 (All-In), Hero calls $23.75 (All-In), 1 fold

Turn: ($68.44) 9 (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: ($68.44) 3 (3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: $68.44 | Rake: $3

Spoiler:

Button had Q, Q (two pair, Queens and nines).
Hero had J, J (full house, Jacks over nines).
CO had 5, J (flush, Jack high).
Outcome: Hero won $65.44



3) Villain is 48/36/12 over 111 hands

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

UTG+1 ($24.23)
MP1 ($13.86)
MP2 ($18.75)
MP3 ($25.06)
CO ($25.50)
Button ($10)
Hero (SB) ($32.07)
BB ($25)
UTG ($26.18)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K
UTG raises to $1, 5 folds, Button calls $1, Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $2.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($8.25) 9, 8, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $4.50, UTG calls $4.50

Turn: ($17.25) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $10.35, UTG calls $10.35

River: ($37.95) K (2 players)
Hero bets $13.72 (All-In), UTG calls $7.83 (All-In)

Total pot: $53.61 | Rake: $2.68

Spoiler:

Hero had K, K (full house, Kings over nines).
UTG had Q, Q (full house, nines over Queens).
Outcome: Hero won $50.93



4) Versus a fish. I really should bet more on this flop versus this villain.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

UTG ($16.94)
UTG+1 ($21.68)
MP1 ($30.17)
MP2 ($20.48)
CO ($10.96)
Button ($25.75)
Hero (SB) ($29.65)
BB ($25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $2.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($5.75) 2, 9, 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.20, UTG calls $3.20

Turn: ($12.15) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $12.15, UTG calls $11.24 (All-In)

River: ($34.63) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $34.63 | Rake: $1.73

Spoiler:

Hero had K, K (one pair, Kings).
UTG had J, Q (one pair, Jacks).
Outcome: Hero won $32.90




5) Villain is 38/25 over 52 hands. I thought there was a good chance he had a Queen here but I'm assuming he hadn't or he'd have called the river after my turn check

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

MP1 ($32.49)
MP2 ($13.30)
CO ($12.90)
Button ($50.55)
Hero (SB) ($31.69)
BB ($23.35)
UTG ($27.18)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, K
UTG raises to $1, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, MP2 calls $2.50, Button calls $2.50

Flop: ($11.75) K, 5, Q (3 players)
Hero bets $7, 1 fold, Button calls $7

Turn: ($25.75) K (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

River: ($25.75) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $21.19 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: $25.75 | Rake: $1.28

Spoiler:

Hero didn't show A, K (full house, Kings over Queens).
Outcome: Hero won $24.47



6) Only had 15 hands on this villain. I really really wanted to check-shove the river but I thought the pot was too small.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

Button ($43.30)
SB ($25)
Hero (BB) ($25)
UTG ($64.80)
MP ($25)
CO ($30.23)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10, A
3 folds, Button raises to $0.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.60) A, A, 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($3.60) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $2, Hero calls $2

River: ($7.60) A (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $3, Hero raises to $11, Button calls $8

Total pot: $29.60 | Rake: $1.48

Spoiler:

Button had 10, Q (full house, Aces over Queens).
Hero had 10, A (four of a kind, Aces).
Outcome: Hero won $28.12



I posted a graph earlier in the week where I lost 6 buy ins and this one is pretty much the polar opposite:

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03-07-2015 , 03:08 PM
not much to say about hands but in 6 I think you can shove given his smallish bet, looks like he goes for value and if he goes for value (i.e. not bluff) he will level himself into calling enough..one of those "i bet so small I look weak" calls..I would probably go 15 to leave ~8 behind so it doesn't look too suspicious but a bit bigger..can't really say which is best, 11 is fine I guess.

When I am all in I stare at villains cards until hand is over most often..I want to know what they do stuff with.
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03-07-2015 , 05:46 PM
I'd just jam hand 6. Dude will sigh-call his Qx like every time and he probably folds all his smaller boats when you raise to $11 anyways so might as well just get it all-in and get max-value from his Qx.
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03-08-2015 , 04:13 PM
Kinda awkward hand from yesterday. I'm not bothered by the villain behind me who is 47/20 over 15 hands but I'm concerned about the BB who is a 17/13/4.2 reg (squeezes 5%). What's your thoughts on the River here? I felt I may be valuetowning myself if I bet it

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

MP3 ($41.69)
CO ($25)
Button ($19.17)
SB ($36.21)
BB ($73.21)
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($25.82)
MP1 ($26.55)
Hero (MP2) ($25)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, Q
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Button calls $0.75, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.35) J, 5, 10 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.60, Button calls $1.60, BB calls $1.60

Turn: ($7.15) 7 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, Button calls $4, BB calls $4

River: ($19.15) 5 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $7.10, BB calls $7.10, Hero ?
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03-08-2015 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Husker
Kinda awkward hand from yesterday. I'm not bothered by the villain behind me who is 47/20 over 15 hands but I'm concerned about the BB who is a 17/13/4.2 reg (squeezes 5%). What's your thoughts on the River here? I felt I may be valuetowning myself if I bet it

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

MP3 ($41.69)
CO ($25)
Button ($19.17)
SB ($36.21)
BB ($73.21)
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($25.82)
MP1 ($26.55)
Hero (MP2) ($25)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, Q
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Button calls $0.75, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.35) J, 5, 10 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.60, Button calls $1.60, BB calls $1.60

Turn: ($7.15) 7 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, Button calls $4, BB calls $4

River: ($19.15) 5 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $7.10, BB calls $7.10, Hero ?


Raise, any competent isn't flatting JJ/TT here if btn is a fish. (and stack size tells all even if he has zero hands)

I would bet river, but as played you have to x-raise as you are losing to much value here not to because I would expect any competent reg to raise River after you X if he has a straight vs the fish as fish only has about $6 behind
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03-08-2015 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TheFunBegins
Raise, any competent isn't flatting JJ/TT here if btn is a fish. (and stack size tells all even if he has zero hands)

I would bet river, but as played you have to x-raise as you are losing to much value here not to because I would expect any competent reg to raise River after you X if he has a straight vs the fish as fish only has about $6 behind
I don't know what we are folding out here with a raise, we have a fish and a reg in a three way pot.

The reg must have a reason for calling all the way down to river when you clearly show strength.
He could have been on 89{s) with the fish giving him good odds to call, but then the river call is a bit weird, he must see it's a fish and 89 is pretty close to the nuts in this spot, with this turn action, if he doesn't want to blow you out of the pot though and get raised by fish if he happens to hold the odd FH, this play is rather good.

Anyway, what can BB have here? He is never bluffing that's for sure, so he must have very decent showdown value.
With this hand I really don't see any other combo other than,
89, 77, JT and in some cases, AJ, which might have enough showdown value for him to keep calling, but it's very close.

89 is raising on the river.
77 would be raising river if fishes raises.
AJ, JT you beat.

Conclusion, I'm not raising here with my 2 pair QQ and 55, pot is 34$, we are risking too much on a raise.
Am I calling?
I don't think my QQ55J is the best hand here., I think one of these guys has at least a straight.

I am probably reluctantly folding and kicking myself for not value-betting River (we want to get value from Jx hands, although, in this spot, I might have checked myself after getting called down all the way to river.

Interesting hand, thanks for sharing.
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03-09-2015 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by amapro
I don't know what we are folding out here with a raise, we have a fish and a reg in a three way pot.

The reg must have a reason for calling all the way down to river when you clearly show strength.
He could have been on 89{s) with the fish giving him good odds to call, but then the river call is a bit weird, he must see it's a fish and 89 is pretty close to the nuts in this spot, with this turn action, if he doesn't want to blow you out of the pot though and get raised by fish if he happens to hold the odd FH, this play is rather good.

Anyway, what can BB have here? He is never bluffing that's for sure, so he must have very decent showdown value.
With this hand I really don't see any other combo other than,
89, 77, JT and in some cases, AJ, which might have enough showdown value for him to keep calling, but it's very close.

89 is raising on the river.
77 would be raising river if fishes raises.
AJ, JT you beat.

Conclusion, I'm not raising here with my 2 pair QQ and 55, pot is 34$, we are risking too much on a raise.
Am I calling?
I don't think my QQ55J is the best hand here., I think one of these guys has at least a straight.

I am probably reluctantly folding and kicking myself for not value-betting River (we want to get value from Jx hands, although, in this spot, I might have checked myself after getting called down all the way to river.

Interesting hand, thanks for sharing.
Your not raising to fold out anything, your raising for value vs the fish fully expecting the reg to fold his Jx which you beating anyways.

The reg would be raising 89 and all his boats here on the river vs the fish not calling, so BB range here is going to be Jx a lot. Yes BB can call the turn to keep hero in the pot with a boat or a straight but he's not calling the river with it, he's raising after hero checks the river as it looks like hero is giving up here a lot.

Yes the raise is on the thin side and doing this vs 2 regs would be bad, but Btn is a fish and a raise here is perfectly fine after this river action.
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03-09-2015 , 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by TheFunBegins
Your not raising to fold out anything, your raising for value vs the fish fully expecting the reg to fold his Jx which you beating anyways.

The reg would be raising 89 and all his boats here on the river vs the fish not calling, so BB range here is going to be Jx a lot. Yes BB can call the turn to keep hero in the pot with a boat or a straight but he's not calling the river with it, he's raising after hero checks the river as it looks like hero is giving up here a lot.

Yes the raise is on the thin side and doing this vs 2 regs would be bad, but Btn is a fish and a raise here is perfectly fine after this river action.
Thanks for your insight.
This hand just shows how deep of a thinking game NLHE is.
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03-09-2015 , 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by TheFunBegins
Raise, any competent isn't flatting JJ/TT here if btn is a fish. (and stack size tells all even if he has zero hands)

I would bet river, but as played you have to x-raise as you are losing to much value here not to because I would expect any competent reg to raise River after you X if he has a straight vs the fish as fish only has about $6 behind
Also, even if they had JT the board paired to counterfeit. Given stack size of hero (~$18 behind and ~$34 pot) i think i just get it in and if they have a 5 they have a 5..
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03-09-2015 , 11:49 AM
I agree reg should raise all better so shove for max value vs fish..Calling is ok though and I would never fold.
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03-09-2015 , 02:16 PM
The button had AJ which is pretty much what I expected him to show up with. I thought the BB possibly had 55/98/JT but the river made 55 less likely. I was working on the basis that he was probably putting me on an overpair at the least. However, when he just called on the river I had to call and he had 98s. A strange one.

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