Tough river card. I like it how he played his hand. Think id be folding an Overpair vs most villains.

Question, what do you think villains range is to shove that river?

Indeed.

You like or dislike? Are you saying you would have folded in his spot prior to the river?

To be fair, I don't think he played it badly, but his reasoning left me thinking wtf

Started quoting my tight stats and saying against my range he's always calling. I would have thought my range here to a thinking player, as he seemed to be, was AA-22, AK - and that's about it.

Based on that and on betting 3 streets I actually can't understand why he is calling as the large % of my range has him crushed.

Would that be a reasonable assumption for a competant player to make to a very nitty player's utg open and flop and turn cbet?


To be honest, it didn't really matter. Flopping a set and turning a boat I was always all in and for the most part once you have a hand nutted or so close to nutted, then putting villain on a range doesn't matter all that much anymore.

However, I was thinking something random like A4 that flopped a pair with a straight draw and turned trips or perhaps A2s or 67s that flopped straights. If he had 44 or 55 that out flopped me then so be it but I was surprised by the rivered boat.

Time for me to take a stock now and finish the month strongly. Just lost my way the past few weeks. Nothing serious and no major BR hit, just a flat spot where I'm letting bad beats get to me a bit more than I had been previously and probably spewed 1 or 2 BI on top with some plays I wouldn't normally make (but always seem to work against me ). Won't bother posting them - they weren't played well on my part. I know it.

Have withdrawn what was left on Poker Room (approx $50ish) and will transfer to Stars and cut out these lunch time sessions that are starting to tilt me.


As for the training for the fun run - all is going well. Did my first 7km run last night and handled it pretty comfortably, although ran within myself. Less than 4 weeks now and looking forward to it and enjoying the running in general.

Just read back throught the past few pages and realise it's basically bad beat complaints. Time to stop that and get back to interesting HHs.

Had a good session last night where I made my first attempt at 6 tabling 10NL 6 max and it went quite well. Handled it better than I thought I would. Will start making 4 tabling the norm from now on (rather than 2) and mix in 6 tabling if I think I am playing well enough and switched on - which we should always try to be anyway. A few extra tables with the action coming around quicker tended to keep me from stewing over any bad beats as you have to move on and focus on your next decision. Sounds like a positive to me - as well as accumulating VPPs quicker and hopefully just moving the BR along a bit quicker.

Have withdrawn Poker Room funds and will transfer to Stars when they clear to the Neteller account. I think total funds are around $350 (pretty much break even between the 2 sites this month).

Plan now is to keep 4-6 tabling at 10NL and with any luck hopefully get the account to between $450-$500 by end of June and start making some plays at 16NL again.


Wish me some run good and let it bounce back your way.

GLGLGL.

Sounds like you must have done well while i was away if you'd stepped up to 16nl mate. what was your roll when you started taking shots? if your 16nl experience was anything like mine, you've found it's full of fish who somehow have god like powers of rivering you when you have them crushed! Still scarred from my last shot!

How are you finding 6 tabling? i remember when i stepped up from 2 to 4 tables and felt on the verge of panic, it was so hard to keep up. but within a couple of days, 4 seemed to slow. i think the key is to keep pushing the tables up until you find the point at which you no longer have time to make optimal decisions due to lack of time. until that point, the more tables you add, the more you'll win in real terms if you're beating a particular stake.

Glad to hear the training is going well too. i hope you've got a hoodie and rocky on your ipod to go for the full effect!

Yeah, just building steadily. No massive rush or anything. Just chiping away. I think over the 2 sites I had probably $350-$375 when I had a crack at 16NL. Still floating around that mark now as I haven't got too much going last week or so. Like I said, will chip away at 4-6 tabling 10NL until I get to $450-$500 and will then make the move to 16NL again.


Definitely find it a weird level. Plays quite differently to both 10NL and 25NL. I have a feeling the aggro donks and stations from 2NL and 5NL move straight here while the regs progressing through the limits must go straight from 10NL to 25NL. Did see some horribe play. It can be highly profitable and highly tilting at the same time.


Better than I thought I would actually. Keeps you making decisions reasonably regularly so reduces time to stew on lost pots. I think, for now, I'm tending to play better. Even today, run quite bad, but it hasn't affected my play. You know AA gets outflopped all in v KK, set of 7s hits the underset.....

My mindset in general has improved out of sight over the past 4-5 weeks but I think adding some tables helps in focussing on just playing.

I absolutely do actually. just knocked over 7km earlier today in a pretty good time when I actually felt I was labouring during the run. Was pleasing to see the result.

Mainly had the ipod with Metallica live in Mexico 1992 but added quite a few extra tunes today, including these.







AND OF COURSE....

Haven't posted graphs or bankroll update for 2 weeks so will do that tomorrow. Hopefully between now and then will stick my nose in front as I'm sitting down about 4 BI at 10NL over that period. Mind you, I've taken some absolutely horrible wtf beats that have left me teetering on the edge of tilting pretty hard and it has taken what little self control I have to not lose it.

You know, not coolers, not "I can understand why he played that" type hands....just absolute how the f*** can he play that, like that, with little to no equity, and some****enhow win that pot.


Anyway, I'm going to post some of these big pot losses for you to take a look. A little therapy for me to rant and if there is anything you see there in my play I'm happy to hear it. If I've done something wrong let me know - are they all horrible beats or could I have saved some $ somewhere along the line?


Anyhoo.....


HAND 1

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $8.00
BTN: $14.33
SB: $10.34
BB: $8.11
Hero (UTG): $11.14
MP: $10.00

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10, CO posts DB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.25) Hero has Q Q

Hero raises to $0.45, fold, CO calls $0.35, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($1.05, 2 players) 7 2 9
Hero bets $0.80, CO raises to $1.70, Hero calls $0.90

Turn: ($4.45, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, CO bets $3.18, Hero raises to $8.99 and is all-in, CO calls $2.67 and is all-in

River: ($16.15, 2 players) J

Hero shows Q Q (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 68%, Flop 78%, Turn 73%)
CO shows 8 A (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 32%, Flop 22%, Turn 27%)
CO wins $15.42




HAND 2

Fairly standard on his part but is anyone ever considering folding his KK here when an extremely tight opponent 3bets from the BB and then 5bets small after the small 4bet? Fairly sure my hand is defined right there??

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $11.75
SB: $10.62
Hero (BB): $10.10
UTG: $9.36
MP: $10.39
CO: $12.13

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has A A

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.30, fold, Hero raises to $0.95, BTN raises to $2.50, Hero raises to $4.20, BTN raises to $11.75 and is all-in, Hero calls $5.90 and is all-in

Flop: ($20.25, 2 players) 8 J K

Turn: ($20.25, 2 players) 9

River: ($20.25, 2 players) 6

Hero shows A A (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 82%, Flop 11%, Turn 5%)
BTN shows K K (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 18%, Flop 89%, Turn 95%)
BTN wins $19.34




HAND 3

wtf


PokerStars - $0.16 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $16.28
Hero (UTG): $19.87
MP: $13.23
CO: $14.48
BTN: $18.10
SB: $21.85

SB posts SB $0.08, BB posts BB $0.16

Pre Flop: ($0.24) Hero has 8 8

Hero raises to $0.48, fold, CO calls $0.48, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($1.20, 2 players) 2 8 4
Hero bets $0.86, CO calls $0.86

Turn: ($2.92, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, CO bets $1.28, Hero raises to $5.60, CO calls $4.32

River: ($14.12, 2 players) 5
Hero bets $12.93 and is all-in, CO calls $7.54 and is all-in

Hero shows 8 8 (Three of a Kind, Eights) (Pre 55%, Flop 95%, Turn 91%)
CO shows A Q (Straight, Five High) (Pre 45%, Flop 5%, Turn 9%)
CO wins $27.89




HAND 4

Posted above. Reckon my range to bet utg and then keep firing has JJ crushed.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $11.72
SB: $10.31
BB: $10.05
Hero (UTG): $10.42
CO: $15.18

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 3 3

Hero raises to $0.30, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65, 2 players) 3 4 5
BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.65, 2 players) 4
BB checks, Hero bets $1.00, BB calls $1.00

River: ($3.65, 2 players) J
BB checks, Hero bets $2.80, BB raises to $8.25 and is all-in, Hero calls $5.45

BB shows J J (Full House, Jacks full of Fours) (Pre 82%, Flop 15%, Turn 9%)
Hero mucks 3 3 (Full House, Threes full of Fours) (Pre 18%, Flop 85%, Turn 91%)
BB wins $19.24




HAND 5

OnGame - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $12.18
CO: $9.15
Hero (BTN): $9.40
SB: $3.77
BB: $15.77

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has K Q

fold, CO raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, fold, BB raises to $1.25, fold, Hero calls $0.95

Flop: ($2.85, 2 players) 4 J 7
BB bets $2.15, Hero raises to $8.15 and is all-in, BB calls $6.00

Turn: ($19.15, 2 players) J

River: ($19.15, 2 players) 9

Hero shows K Q (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 66%, Flop 81%, Turn 86%)
BB shows 6 9 (Two Pair, Jacks and Nines) (Pre 34%, Flop 19%, Turn 14%)
BB wins $17.88



HAND 6

Aggro donk. Tried giving him a chance to fire the flop. Should I have jammed river myself? As played against these villains are we always calling?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $3.18
UTG: $9.85
CO: $6.07
BTN: $8.23
Hero (SB): $10.00

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has K A

fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1.10, fold, BTN calls $0.80

Flop: ($2.30, 2 players) 6 A 5
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($2.30, 2 players) J
Hero bets $1.65, BTN calls $1.65

River: ($5.60, 2 players) J
Hero checks, BTN bets $5.48 and is all-in, Hero calls $5.48

BTN shows 9 J (Three of a Kind, Jacks) (Pre 39%, Flop 3%, Turn 11%)
Hero shows K A (Two Pair, Aces and Jacks) (Pre 61%, Flop 97%, Turn 89%)
BTN wins $15.81

Hallo hawk, just started reading your thread. I play 10nl @ starts atm too but I have also tons of hands @ 25nl and 50nl. There is something weird going on with 10nl, it's just hard to move up from there for undefined reasons Anyway i wish you gl and I think u can make it.
I dont agree with checking otf at the last hand^^^ I assume you are betting there 100% with air or anything<Ax. The fact that he's aggro makes him more propable to float and try to steal ott. I wouldn't cbet only if villain was very weak tight with a high fcbet%.

Hi bebius, thanks for popping in. Stop by any time and give your thoughts. Most welcome.

I agree. In hindsight I should have bet flop and if he wanted to get out of line then we probably end all in on flop or turn. Would have got stacked anyway if that was the case but would have gotten it in good which is the main thing. My thoughts were that he wouldn't check behind as he'd shown no sign of that type of play previously. Obviously hoping to c/r flop

This was the last update 2 weeks ago.

Would like to say I've gone forward but have hit a flat spot these past 2 weeks. Have managed to get plenty of hands in for me but have not got a thing going. As mentioned previously, I'd cashed out the Poker Room funds as I seemed to be pushing those short lunch sessions too hard, especially trying to chase if I took a bad beat early. Decided better to let those sessions go. Was travelling quite well at the main Stars account which had kept me break even over the period despite the Poker Room sessions but the past 3 days have all been losses and the overall loss for the 2 weeks equates to about the past 3 days losses. Felt like I was playing reasonably well without luck for the most part but definitely played below par these last few days. As such, thought it was a good time as any for a reality check and post some results down for accountability and then hopefully clear the mind and forge ahead for hopefully a good final week of the month.


12,964 hands @ -2.02 ptBB/100 or 4.04 bb/100 = -$56.54


Graph - Both Sites Combined





Poker Stars Graph

Was going well but plumetted the last few days.





Poker Room Graph

Final one. All play on Stars from now on.





Positional Stats







Bank Roll now:-

Bankroll - Poker Stars $ 262.34
Bankroll - PokerRoom $ 0.00
Bankroll - Neteller $103.00*

* Had to use Neteller to cash out from PokerRoom but had to deposit some $ before I used it to withdraw. As such, the $53 I had left in PokerRoom has been withdraw along with the $50 deposit, meaning I have $103 to transfer to Poker Stars.

Combined $ 365.34

Loss over two week period = -$56.54

Hand 1: Pretty gross. Maybe 3bet OTF? I guess I'm worried about sets, but such a weak flop raise. Any reads on villain?

Hand 2: Standard, really. I don't think anyone folds KK pre for 100bb. I've seen people min-5bet hands worse than AA, so just one of those things. I think the small-5bet looks stronger than a shove, really. Perhaps you lose more value from hands that won't shove over your 5bet, but would call a shove, e.g. JJ-TT if villain makes a mistake. I guess if villain is aggro then maybe he'll happily make a mistake by 6bet-shoving, anyway?

Hand 3: I really don't like the river shove. Regardless of what hand he shows up with OTR, he can have random Ax hands. Granted, it's scary he can call OTT with AQ, but that's how we make our money.

Hand 4: Difficult to fold a fullhouse. I don't think I could fold OTR. Although, if we assume villain is never bluffing OTR, what hands can he suddenly be value betting? Oh, and don't forget we want him to be making a mistake by calling 2 streets with an overpair here.

Hand 5: Pretty gross. You suspect him of squeezing to flat pre? I think the flop shove is fine, although you probably don't get him to fold the stronger part of his range as he's getting about 2:1.

Hand 6: I cbet flop. As bebius mentioned, you're usually cbetting 100% of your range here. I think, given the action, you can fold to his river shove, unless you have some read that he's really aggro and would turn a weak Ax hand into a bluff.

Raising the flop was an option but I find so often I push too hard too early that I don't get enough value from my monsters. I either stack myself off when I'm beat or fold out the worse hands. Thought I'd let him bet the turn and then push him in. Obviously the play worked, just a crap result. I can't recall the villains exact stats but was very fishy and I was comfortable enough that while a set was possible, he could have shown up with plenty worse.

Yeah, you're right and I realise that. I would never have folded. Just another result that went against me and I still reckon based on my play he must have suspected very strongly still that what he saw was what he thought he would see. Just tough luck.

His stats and play had all been between NIT and TAGish to this point. Just couldn't give him credit for a hand. We're all in prior to this if he has AA and AQ and AK should never EVER still be there. Just couldn't see an Ace at all. Perhaps 7c6c gets there or he has been slow playing a set himself, but it was 1/2 psb to have him all in there and I hated c/f so decided to shove myself.

I know it seems gross shoving into a 4 to the board possible straight but how could he even get there? Just couldn't see it.

Another tough luck one I guess but in his spot I am always worried I am crushed against myself as the villain and pretty much always am when I make a stand.

He was an absolute maniac. He was 3betting every open or opening himself 100% and showed up with plenty of trashy (winning) hands. Plan was to take a flop and go hard with any equity. I did. I lost.

Was about the only flop he'd checked until that point. Obviously plan was to c/r and CAI on flop if req'd. Was very hard to give him credit for a hand.



I guess all these aren't that bad. A few bad beat coolers and a few just horrible beats. These are only some of the 100bb losses over this period though. The frustration builds too because all of the 30-60bb losses where they have no business and find their lucky card too.

Anyway, clear head tonight and go again.

Hello mate, here’s my two cents on the hands. If it’s any consolation I’ve had a few of these over the weekend. The best one being when a villain called my flop bet (I had tptk) with two random undercards – no draw, no nothing – turned a gutshot, called again, then proceeded to hit a straight on a river that gave me 2p. it’s a good job it wasn’t a live hand – I might have been looking at an assault charge

Hand 1

I’d be tempted to fold the flop here unless you know he’s agro and can do this with draws/worse one pair hands. You’ll be oop on the turn and will hate half the deck, and a lot of the time he’ll a set. If you think he can be full of it here, make the hand easier to play and reraise him on the flop. Equally, I wouldn’t c/r the turn. If you think you’re ahead, bet so he can’t check back and take a free card. I’d probably bet/fold. I know you got brutally sucked out on but I think you ran into the very bottom of his range here (on the flop) and generally he’ll have you crushed on the flop a lot.

Hand 2

Once he 4bets, don’t get fancy – just ship. I doubt he’s folding AK/KK/QQ etc to a shove after 4betting, and if he’s 4bet bluffing he’s not calling the 5bet anyway.

Hand 3

Obviously disgusting. Villain should be taken outside and shot. Let’s just hope he’s a nice guy who gave your money to charity.

Having said that, I wouldn’t ever c/r the turn here. Just bet again. The turn changed nothing (apart from the unlikely A5), so all the draws/one pair hands he had on the flop, he’ll still call with on the turn. If u check u risk him checking behind. On the river … I agree he ‘shouldn’t’ have Ax here ever. I had a very similar hand recently and also shoved thinking he ‘can’t’ have the straight and of course he did. I think by shoving, u narrow his range down to a straight – everything else will fold. I don’t see him having many 2p/sets to call here, as those would probably have raised earlier in the hand. So he’s limited to busted draws, Ax and maybe the occasional middle pair. Busted draws and mp don’t call the shove. So I think you have to check and give him a chance to bluff. If he then shoves, it’s a question of whether you think he is capable of bluffing here or not.

Hand 4

Had almost the identical hand a little while ago. Sighed, said to myself, ‘you lucky f***, you’re just rivered a set of jacks’, and called. And lost.

I don’t agree that your range on the flop/turn is stronger than JJ here. If this was a 3bet pot, yes, but it’s a single raise pot, so you can be barreling 66-1010, straight draws, flushdraws, two overs, 5x, etc. he’s entitled to call with JJ here – I think I would, particularly as the turn cuts down the combos of monsters you can have. As played, I’d bet bigger on the turn to charge his draws or weaker made hands - $1.20+. on the river, let’s be honest we’re never folding, but there aren’t actually many worse hands you beat – just hope he’s doing this with a straight.

Hand 5

Fold pre when you get 3bet. Yes you’ll be ip, yes it’s a hand that can flop well, but it’s also a hand that can flop dominated against villain’s 3bet range. And you’re hand is pretty face up as a pp or an sc because of the way you played it pre. As played, the ship is fine – if you play the hand, this is the sort of flop you hope to hit. But it will be high variance as you probably don’t have much fold equity.

Hand 6

Definitely bet the flop – it’s wet enough that you don’t want to give a free turn that outdraws you or kills your action. As played, if you check the river to induce you can’t fold – just another unlucky one.

I'll see you in a week or two poker because at the moment I'm ****ing sick of you.

It's honestly amazing I'm only down 1 BI today considering the **** you've put me through.

AK < AJ all in pre flop.
AK < AQ all in pre flop.
AT < A5 all in on flop v 50bb fish .....Axx5x
QQ obv < AA
Turned straight < rivered flush.

Why can AJ type hands call my shove and get there often but whenever I make a retarded call (which would never be this bad) I don't.....even when I turn out to have the better hand?

Why does every gut shot chase down v my sets/TPTK but I can't seem to win a hand when I have a pr+flush draw+gutshot combo?

It's not like it's costing me a huge chuck of my roll but it's stopping me forging ahead. Just can't move forward. 2 steps forward, 3 back, 3 forward, 2 back........


I'm so frustrated. Can't put together more than a few weeks moving forward before I hit a stretch like this that just brings everything to a halt.

No play for the rest of June and if I can't come back and get it right in July then that's it.

Hang on in there Hawk. You are a good poker player, its just a downswing. I know its easy for me to say that, but I have been through hell in May and it seemed there was no end to it. June, I am hitting 30.2 bb/100. Its sick.

I defo think a break every so often is great for the mind. I would love to have the discipline to do it when I am ahead. It always seems to take a downswing to make you take a break.

Chin up.