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Old 06-04-2012, 12:54 PM   #691
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GG! we had such a fishy FT...
Ty, u too. It was pretty fishy yeah, believe it or not the guy I got HU with was the guy who was just endlessly folding and flatting the BB bvb with like 10bb stacks...he flatted 64o on 12bb and managed to double up on a board of 66262 lol
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I am quite proud of my super hero knowledge for the most part, but idk who your avatar is? Who da fuq is that?
Nice day yesterday! I'm sure the ego needed the boost a long with the bankroll
My avatar is Banshee, minor X-Men character and the only ginger superhero I could find! There are plenty of redheaded female ones, but they don't really count.

Always good to get a confidence boost yeah, but wrt bankroll I'm backed, so I'm set. Once again I recommend any low stakes players looking to progress in the game, get yourself a backing deal. Unless you're rolling in cash, you don't have the bankroll you need for your stakes.
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Old 06-04-2012, 01:42 PM   #692
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He is a redhead (super)hero as far as I know. Rorschach is one of my favourites.
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Old 06-04-2012, 02:37 PM   #693
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He is a redhead (super)hero as far as I know. Rorschach is one of my favourites.
Meh, doesn't count, you rarely see his face.

Plus, I haaaated the Watchmen movie.
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Old 06-04-2012, 03:47 PM   #694
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Meh, doesn't count, you rarely see his face.
haha yes, that's true

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I still think he is a total bad ass
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Old 06-04-2012, 05:29 PM   #695
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I still think he is a total bad ass
He is, but I'm a huge Marvel mark. Only DC guys worth bothering with are Batman and Green Lantern.
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Old 06-04-2012, 06:48 PM   #696
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He is, but I'm a huge Marvel mark. Only DC guys worth bothering with are Batman and Green Lantern.
I would certainly add Wonder Woman to that list, I love her when it comes to Marvel then pretty much all of the X Men, Iron Man and Hulk (I just love when **** blows up)
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Old 06-04-2012, 07:15 PM   #697
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i think what i liked most when i was grinding MTTs is the instructors plugging in hands from a deep MTT run they had and discussing the whole thing from start to finish as videos like that automatically include a LOT of very crucial concepts that are important for up and coming players. gl with that, would like to watch one of ur upcoming vids sir
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Old 06-04-2012, 11:05 PM   #698
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nice weekend ginger
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Old 06-05-2012, 12:29 AM   #699
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hit me up if you'd like coaching
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:37 AM   #700
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Always good to get a confidence boost yeah, but wrt bankroll I'm backed, so I'm set. Once again I recommend any low stakes players looking to progress in the game, get yourself a backing deal. Unless you're rolling in cash, you don't have the bankroll you need for your stakes.

Why?
I always like to think that i rather be playing a bit lower and have a higher ROI but can keep all the money for myself then play twice as high, have a lower ROI and have to give away a lot of that money.

Just wondering why you think being backed is best.
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Old 06-05-2012, 07:27 AM   #701
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Why?
I always like to think that i rather be playing a bit lower and have a higher ROI but can keep all the money for myself then play twice as high, have a lower ROI and have to give away a lot of that money.

Just wondering why you think being backed is best.
I understand that it probably appears that simple to most people, as I've heard that opinion before. It's perfectly valid, but it usually comes from people who've never had a big downswing.

I'm a huge believer that unless you're playing the absolute lowest possible stakes, you need a huge bankroll to ensure not going broke, especially if playing turbos. At a $10 ABI, I believe you'd need a $10k bankroll at minimum. I had a 1300ABI downswing in March at a $13 ABI or so. Most micro- or low-stakes players simply don't have the bankroll to play their stakes with no risk of ruin. If you have $10k lying around then by all means, go ahead, but almost no-one does when they first get into poker.

Additionally, being backed (on a good deal anyway) will get you coaching from more experienced players, connections within the poker community and opportunities to talk hands with guys playing your stakes, usually over Skype etc. It forces you to take poker seriously, work on your game, not tilt so much, manage your ABI, and not get sloppy.

It's not really the case that you're giving money away, either. Attachment to money is a hugely detrimental thing to your poker game in the long term - whether you're backed or not, you should try to see the money that you use to buy into XYZ tournament as an investment in your edge, and not money in itself. Having the correct mindset before being backed doesn't present any problems when 'giving money away', because money is just a tool that you use to win.

Finally, there's nothing to say that having a lower ABI at higher stakes and being able to get more volume/play more tables while only taking 50% of your profits won't actually make you more money. The math is pretty complicated but for example, a 30% ROI over 2,000 2.50/180s in a month will make you $1,500, all of which you'd keep for yourself. A 15% ROI in 4,000 8/180s over the same period (accounting for a rise in volume, tables, stakes and ability after receiving coaching from backers) would make you $4,800, of which you'd keep $2,400. This thread wouldn't exist if I wasn't backed - I'd never be able to play 18k games in 5 months or whatever it is.

I should add as a caveat to all this that it really only applies to experienced backers who run teams or stables, and not to random individuals who might offer really sketchy deals because they suck at poker and want someone else to play for them. It's important to pick your backer well. If you want info about my backing deal, happy to discuss it via PM if anyone's looking for a similar one.
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Old 06-05-2012, 08:07 AM   #702
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Why?
I always like to think that i rather be playing a bit lower and have a higher ROI but can keep all the money for myself then play twice as high, have a lower ROI and have to give away a lot of that money.

Just wondering why you think being backed is best.
+ infinite, I think backing is bad for the player the majority of the time, and deffo bad for the poker economy all of the time.
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Old 06-05-2012, 08:09 AM   #703
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haha we all knew chillin would have somthing to say about this
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Old 06-05-2012, 09:04 AM   #704
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+ infinite, I think backing is bad for the player the majority of the time, and deffo bad for the poker economy all of the time.
I'm not going to argue about it inside of Ginger's thread, but the first statement is only true if everyone out there has a bankroll/knowledge to play, and since that's not true in like 95% of circumstances, it makes the statement itself pretty absurd.

The decision most of the time is either:

A) Play for a living, backed.
or
B) Don't play at all.

Under those circumstances, I don't see how it's bad for the player the majority of the time. And of course, that doesn't even count the fact that they can get poker coaching, schedule coaching, and improve their game and move up in stakes if their backer is worth anything.

I have absolutely no issue saying that if you have the money to play, and the knowledge required to make a schedule that will offer you enough profitability to pay your bills, and the mental strength/support group to take on the ups and downs, there is no reason for you to be backed. But I don't know hardly anyone who meets all of those criteria.

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Old 06-05-2012, 09:37 AM   #705
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+ infinite, I think backing is bad for the player the majority of the time, and deffo bad for the poker economy all of the time.

lol

it's so great how you are soooooo sure of this
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