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07-27-2016 , 03:48 AM
V confirmed fish, I value bet flop and take it from there.

edit pretty much what CnC just said
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07-27-2016 , 03:56 AM
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Some could argue that AJ is literally the top of our range tho, probably why my red line suffers lol
I find that using "loltopofourrange" logic in these games mostly ends in losing a pot knowing we should have folded. :')
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07-27-2016 , 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by meale
Xjam Neva good vs unk. I like fold. V has AQ/AK errday and like wut bluffs?
Kq qj

xjam good vs the FD KQ QJ part of his range imo. Still dunno tho. Will do math latee
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07-27-2016 , 05:42 AM
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I find that using "loltopofourrange" logic in these games mostly ends in losing a pot knowing we should have folded. :')
I tend to agree. It's more the regs leveling themselves into a bads call rather than anything imo.
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07-27-2016 , 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps
Some could argue that AJ is literally the top of our range tho, probably why my red line suffers lol
Top of our folding range, yes.
We can jam flushes for AJs/A9s/A8s/A5s/A4s in hearts, and sometimes x-jam (or just call) AQ/AJ with the nut blocker. Call with A2s (rivered 2 pr). Sigh-call with all combos of AQ that didn't bet the flop and probably sigh-call AJ with the Jh too. Without a heart, we should fold AJ.
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07-27-2016 , 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
Top of our folding range, yes.
We can jam flushes for AJs/A9s/A8s/A5s/A4s in hearts, and sometimes x-jam (or just call) AQ/AJ with the nut blocker. Call with A2s (rivered 2 pr). Sigh-call with all combos of AQ that didn't bet the flop and probably sigh-call AJ with the Jh too. Without a heart, we should fold AJ.
Great analysis. I'd put AxJh into my folding range too I think
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07-27-2016 , 05:30 PM


    Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37402115

    BTN: $50.50 (101 bb)
    SB: $86.32 (172.6 bb)
    Hero (BB): $59.42 (118.8 bb)
    UTG: $103.73 (207.5 bb)
    MP: $57.76 (115.5 bb)
    CO: $92.18 (184.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 9
    2 folds, CO raises to $1.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $1

    Flop: ($3.25) 2 3 9 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $2.75, Hero raises to $8.16, CO calls $5.41

    Turn: ($19.57) 4 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $15.05, Hero calls $15.05

    River: ($49.67) 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets $13.50, CO raises to $67.47 and is all-in, Hero calls $21.21 and is all-in

    Spoiler:
    Results: $119.09 pot ($2 rake)
    Final Board: 2 3 9 4 9
    Hero showed 9 9 and lost (-$59.42 net)
    CO showed 5 A and won $117.09 ($57.67 net)



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    07-27-2016 , 06:33 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps
    I 3barrel good runout vs fish
    Take the ch/call line vs. Aggro fish

    Vs unknown and reg I play it the same as you, don't see many bluffs in v's range by the river.

    Some could argue that AJ is literally the top of our range tho, probably why my red line suffers lol
    Well you can fold and let your red line suffer or you can call and let your blue line suffer which will hurt your winrate more in the long run imo.

    Villains bluffs otr are like KQ QJ type hands with flush blockers I suppose.


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    Originally Posted by Clanty


      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37402115

      BTN: $50.50 (101 bb)
      SB: $86.32 (172.6 bb)
      Hero (BB): $59.42 (118.8 bb)
      UTG: $103.73 (207.5 bb)
      MP: $57.76 (115.5 bb)
      CO: $92.18 (184.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 9
      2 folds, CO raises to $1.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $1

      Flop: ($3.25) 2 3 9 (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $2.75, Hero raises to $8.16, CO calls $5.41

      Turn: ($19.57) 4 (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $15.05, Hero calls $15.05

      River: ($49.67) 9 (2 players)
      Hero bets $13.50, CO raises to $67.47 and is all-in, Hero calls $21.21 and is all-in

      Spoiler:
      Results: $119.09 pot ($2 rake)
      Final Board: 2 3 9 4 9
      Hero showed 9 9 and lost (-$59.42 net)
      CO showed 5 A and won $117.09 ($57.67 net)



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      ***** donk you should knoe dat quads is no good there.
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      07-27-2016 , 06:41 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by mahsjdi
      ***** donk you should knoe dat quads is no good there.
      Haha ffs wasn't it you I said that to? If that ain't karma then idk what is lol
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      07-28-2016 , 01:21 AM
      lmao gg. reminds me of when I lost quad kings to a royal. You gotta laugh.
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      07-28-2016 , 05:00 AM
      aha, i laughed sorry bro
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      07-28-2016 , 06:05 AM
      Aha dont worry bro I laughed too after snapping him off :P
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      07-28-2016 , 06:41 AM
      Hard to move up when this **** happens lol
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      07-28-2016 , 07:16 AM
      Jeez. The quads<straight flush is ridiculous. I'm yet to experience a beat like that. *tempts fate*
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      07-28-2016 , 11:31 AM
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      reminds me of when I lost quad kings to a royal
      Stop playing with a deck with five kings in it then
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      07-28-2016 , 11:39 AM
      What the hell is that river sizing about
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      07-28-2016 , 12:21 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Fatboy54
      Stop playing with a deck with five kings in it then
      Deck wouldn't need 5 kings
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      07-28-2016 , 12:45 PM
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      Originally Posted by Kelvis
      What the hell is that river sizing about
      It's pretty meh. If you look at my range it's exclusively fh/quads/SF so flushes should xb
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      08-02-2016 , 02:39 PM
      Hey guys,

      Hope you're all good.

      I have decided to drop down to just the 1 table of ZOOM following on from my decision to initially drop down in tables from 4 to 2. It might sound boring, and at times it can border on the tedious side of things, but the end result in regards to my performance is clearly a lot better. The amount of "fundamental minors" (that's what I've named them) that I missed when multi-tabling is huge and it only becomes evident when you drop down in tables and/or look deeply into your game.

      Moving on from the nitty gritty, I've been really happy with my play and couldn't really ask for much more. Very happy with how things are going both on the tables and in real life, so yea just in a good place atm .

      Some hands:
      1. Vs a suspected reg 4 tabling. Had no hands on him but I presumed he was a reg from his play up until his call lol. As for mine, I think my hand is perfect to bluff with when we block KT (not that he should have KT, but the average reg will have it occasionally ), TT and nfd's + we don't block missed QJ draws.
        Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37407652

        BTN: $26.81 (107.2 bb)
        SB: $11.11 (44.4 bb)
        BB: $60.30 (241.2 bb)
        Hero (UTG): $25.21 (100.8 bb)
        MP: $38.43 (153.7 bb)
        CO: $27.66 (110.6 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is UTG with A T
        Hero raises to $0.54, MP folds, CO calls $0.54, 3 folds

        Flop: ($1.43) T K 3 (2 players)
        Hero checks, CO bets $1.08, Hero calls $1.08

        Turn: ($3.59) 2 (2 players)
        Hero checks, CO bets $2.70, Hero calls $2.70

        River: ($8.99) 3 (2 players)
        Hero checks, CO bets $4.38, Hero raises to $20.89 and is all-in, CO calls $16.51

        Spoiler:
        Results: $50.77 pot ($2.00 rake)
        Final Board: T K 3 2 3
        Hero showed A T and lost (-$25.21 net)
        CO showed 8 K and won $48.77 ($23.56 net)



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        2. ?
          Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37407653

          BTN: $25.36 (101.4 bb)
          SB: $24.41 (97.6 bb)
          BB: $17.30 (69.2 bb)
          UTG: $180.27 (721.1 bb)
          MP: $94.23 (376.9 bb)
          Hero (CO): $25 (100 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is CO with Q K
          2 folds, Hero raises to $0.54, BTN raises to $1.97, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.43

          Flop: ($4.29) 3 7 5 (2 players)
          Hero checks, BTN bets $23.39 and is all-in, Hero calls $23.03 and is all-in

          Turn: ($50.35) 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
          River: ($50.35) 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

          Spoiler:
          Results: $50.35 pot ($2 rake)
          Final Board: 3 7 5 3 3
          BTN showed 8 8 and won $48.35 ($23.35 net)
          Hero showed Q K and lost (-$25 net)



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          3. What a setup for the BB.
            Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37407654

            BTN: $27.43 (109.7 bb)
            Hero (SB): $25.57 (102.3 bb)
            BB: $10.68 (42.7 bb)
            UTG: $21.08 (84.3 bb)
            MP: $25.25 (101 bb)
            CO: $30.98 (123.9 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is SB with K A
            UTG raises to $0.75, MP folds, CO raises to $2.25, BTN folds, Hero raises to $6.42, BB raises to $10.68 and is all-in, 2 folds, Hero calls $4.26

            Flop: ($24.36) 3 9 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
            Turn: ($24.36) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
            River: ($24.36) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)

            Spoiler:
            Results: $24.36 pot ($1.10 rake)
            Final Board: 3 9 2 8 K
            Hero showed K A and lost (-$10.68 net)
            BB showed A A and won $23.26 ($12.58 net)



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            4. I don't see what we beat when the A hits otr. Unsure on the bluff sizing. Think I just pressed 2/3 otr and hoped for the best, prob fine.
              Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37407656

              Hero (BTN): $26.59 (106.4 bb)
              SB: $28.06 (112.2 bb)
              BB: $29.18 (116.7 bb)
              UTG: $33.55 (134.2 bb)
              MP: $49.05 (196.2 bb)
              CO: $46.96 (187.8 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6 6
              2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, 2 folds

              Flop: ($1.85) 5 7 4 (2 players)
              CO bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

              Turn: ($4.25) K (2 players)
              CO checks, Hero checks

              River: ($4.25) A (2 players)
              CO checks, Hero bets $2.70, CO calls $2.70

              Spoiler:
              Results: $9.65 pot ($0.43 rake)
              Final Board: 5 7 4 K A
              Hero showed 6 6 and lost (-$4.65 net)
              CO showed Q Q and won $9.22 ($4.57 net)



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              5. *Reg tag dismissed* --> *Fish Reg tag applied*
                Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37407657

                BTN: $18.61 (74.4 bb)
                Hero (SB): $25.35 (101.4 bb)
                BB: $23.37 (93.5 bb)
                UTG: $35.70 (142.8 bb)
                MP: $37.34 (149.4 bb)
                CO: $45.64 (182.6 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is SB with A A
                UTG folds, MP raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.66, BB folds, MP calls $1.91

                Flop: ($5.57) 5 8 Q (2 players)
                Hero bets $2.66, MP raises to $7.98, Hero raises to $22.69 and is all-in, MP calls $14.71

                Turn: ($50.95) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                River: ($50.95) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                Spoiler:
                Results: $50.95 pot ($2 rake)
                Final Board: 5 8 Q 6 Q
                Hero showed A A and won $48.95 ($23.60 net)
                MP showed 9 9 and lost (-$25.35 net)



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                5. Lol?
                  Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                  Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37407658

                  BTN: $22.73 (90.9 bb)
                  SB: $34.71 (138.8 bb)
                  BB: $37.07 (148.3 bb)
                  UTG: $25 (100 bb)
                  Hero (MP): $25.66 (102.6 bb)
                  CO: $25 (100 bb)

                  Preflop: Hero is MP with 8 A
                  UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.54, CO folds, BTN raises to $1, SB folds, BB calls $0.75, Hero calls $0.46

                  Flop: ($3.10) 9 4 3 (3 players)
                  BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $2.96, BB folds, Hero calls $2.96

                  Turn: ($9.02) 7 (2 players)
                  Hero checks, BTN bets $18.77 and is all-in, Hero calls $18.77

                  River: ($46.56) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                  Spoiler:
                  Results: $46.56 pot ($2 rake)
                  Final Board: 9 4 3 7 A
                  BTN showed J 3 and lost (-$22.73 net)
                  Hero showed 8 A and won $44.56 ($21.83 net)



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                  6. ****ty River. Nothing calls worse so just gotta xc and bluffcatch his busted FD's imo
                    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37407659

                    BTN: $46.54 (186.2 bb)
                    SB: $59.98 (239.9 bb)
                    Hero (BB): $28.87 (115.5 bb)
                    UTG: $26.57 (106.3 bb)
                    MP: $67.34 (269.4 bb)
                    CO: $11.78 (47.1 bb)

                    Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 8
                    UTG raises to $0.75, MP calls $0.75, CO calls $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, SB folds, Hero calls $0.50

                    Flop: ($3.85) 7 6 5 (5 players)
                    Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets $1.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.34, UTG folds, MP calls $3.09

                    Turn: ($12.53) A (2 players)
                    Hero bets $6.60, MP calls $6.60

                    River: ($25.73) 6 (2 players)
                    Hero checks, MP checks

                    Spoiler:
                    Results: $25.73 pot ($1.16 rake)
                    Final Board: 7 6 5 A 6
                    Hero showed 9 8 and won $24.57 ($12.88 net)
                    MP mucked 6 9 and lost (-$11.69 net)



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                    7. Vs reg.
                      Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37407660

                      BTN: $7.51 (30 bb)
                      Hero (SB): $51.91 (207.6 bb)
                      BB: $33.15 (132.6 bb)
                      UTG: $21.03 (84.1 bb)
                      MP: $26.30 (105.2 bb)
                      CO: $25.67 (102.7 bb)

                      Preflop: Hero is SB with J J
                      4 folds, Hero raises to $0.70, BB calls $0.45

                      Flop: ($1.40) 4 9 T (2 players)
                      Hero bets $0.84, BB calls $0.84

                      Turn: ($3.08) 5 (2 players)
                      Hero bets $2.90, BB calls $2.90

                      River: ($8.88) 9 (2 players)
                      Hero checks, BB bets $5.75, Hero calls $5.75

                      Spoiler:
                      Results: $20.38 pot ($0.92 rake)
                      Final Board: 4 9 T 5 9
                      Hero showed J J and won $19.46 ($9.27 net)
                      BB showed Q J and lost (-$10.19 net)



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                      08-02-2016 , 04:58 PM
                      Lines here? Can we ever fold river after betting 2/3?

                      Vs unknown 1 tabler. He snap 3b almost like he misclicked and snap checked back turn. FYI River is 3.64:1, or 22%.
                        Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37407681

                        BTN: $29.55 (118.2 bb)
                        SB: $25.70 (102.8 bb)
                        Hero (BB): $47.58 (190.3 bb)
                        UTG: $25 (100 bb)
                        MP: $26.58 (106.3 bb)
                        CO: $25 (100 bb)

                        Preflop: Hero is BB with J 8
                        3 folds, BTN raises to $0.50, SB folds, Hero calls $0.25

                        Flop: ($1.10) J J T (2 players)
                        Hero checks, BTN bets $0.52, Hero raises to $1.91, BTN raises to $3.30, Hero calls $1.39

                        Turn: ($7.70) 7 (2 players)
                        Hero checks, BTN checks

                        River: ($7.70) 3 (2 players)
                        Hero bets $4.89, BTN raises to $12, Hero calls $7.11

                        Spoiler:
                        Results: $31.70 pot ($1.43 rake)
                        Final Board: J J T 7 3
                        BTN showed 9 8 and won $30.27 ($14.47 net)
                        Hero mucked J 8 and lost (-$15.80 net)



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                        08-02-2016 , 09:17 PM
                        Hand 1:

                        Opening this from EP on a lot of tables won't be netting you much. I'd only do it if there was a fishy. But since you're 2x'ing, it's good. Think the river shove is good. You can see why I abstain from bluffing a lot, when **** like this happens you feel horrrible. :\

                        Hand 2:

                        Weird spot. Vs his actual hand, it's a call. But vs AA, it's a fold. So if we assume he has TT-JJ here most of the time, I think it's okay.

                        Hand 3:



                        Hand 4:

                        Raise flop. ~40% equity vs AA and plenty of fold equity too.

                        Hand 5:

                        Just raise flop when you're last to act. He ain't gon wan fold. And maybe he even calls w J3hh

                        Hand 6:

                        Are you planning on check folding? If so, x is fine. If you're planning on xc, you needa shove river urself.

                        Hand 7:

                        wp
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                        08-02-2016 , 09:20 PM
                        unlucky lol. ur basically ded always otr but dno how to fold vs 1 tabler
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                        08-03-2016 , 01:49 AM
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                        Originally Posted by meale
                        Hand 1:

                        Opening this from EP on a lot of tables won't be netting you much. I'd only do it if there was a fishy. But since you're 2x'ing, it's good. Think the river shove is good. You can see why I abstain from bluffing a lot, when **** like this happens you feel horrrible. :\

                        Hand 2:

                        Weird spot. Vs his actual hand, it's a call. But vs AA, it's a fold. So if we assume he has TT-JJ here most of the time, I think it's okay.

                        Hand 3:



                        Hand 4:

                        Raise flop. ~40% equity vs AA and plenty of fold equity too.

                        Hand 5:

                        Just raise flop when you're last to act. He ain't gon wan fold. And maybe he even calls w J3hh

                        Hand 6:

                        Are you planning on check folding? If so, x is fine. If you're planning on xc, you needa shove river urself.

                        Hand 7:

                        wp
                        H1 - yes it is an adjusted open when there are fish on the table, same with KJo

                        H4 - raising flop seems ok but we are IP and always realise our 40% anyway so we are bloating the pot a lot for some FE and we will get owned by his sets some of the time, too

                        H5 - I'd prob raise without the A but don't think I should be raising with it, rather let him spaz out lol

                        H6 - shoving is the worst option, what calls worse? When we check we allow him to bluff all fd combo's
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                        08-03-2016 , 02:30 AM
                        well done on results

                        care to elaborate why 1-2 tables is now much better?
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                        08-03-2016 , 03:46 AM
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                        Originally Posted by max85
                        well done on results

                        care to elaborate why 1-2 tables is now much better?
                        Thanks a lot

                        Well it is just my opinion, but I believe that every micro grinder out there 4 tabling zoom is making a bunch of mistakes specifically down to autopiloting/not putting enough time into decisions that is induced by playing too many tables. Whilst playing 4 tables will give you a better hourly and seem comfortable, you end up getting into some bad habits and make things harder for yourself when moving up. A key indicator would be a plummeting red line meaning you are probably giving up too easily in small 6bb pots.

                        Just my opinion but it has proven to be true with me and a mate of mine who were both winning whilst 4 tabling.
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