[QUOTE=Sunshine Bill Wrigly;44104957]advanced concepts, Phil Ivey and J high lol. Someone does not understand relative value methinks and doesn't realise hands cannot be ranked in a linear fashion vs a range.

partially true

if you mean a hand's value is its ability to extract $ from villains,for short stacks (20-50bb ) through medium stacks (50-200bb) a roughly linear relationship going from small offsuit trash to AA does exist. for true deep stack play, ranking individual hands would resemble a fairly flat line.

harrington's cash game book gave a good example of this and seidman in his "Easy Game" also explains how hand values are relative to stack sizes

This is trolling, saying smart ass and rude comments. Just trying to give u the big picture of how hard it is to go pro. I wish u the best.

What I'm saying is I think your advice is pretty awful and shows a complete lack of understanding of how 50NL plays in 2014, but if you can show me a graph which indicates you're in a better position to know than I am I'll happily give in to your greater knowledge.

Schedule 28th July 2014

0900 - 0910 = Set schedule.
0910 - 0920 = Import hands and mark hands for study.
0920 - 0940 = Weekly update.
0940 - 1000 = Set new weekly goals.
1000 - 1030 = Catch up in Skype and update group timetable.
1030 - 1700 = Follow routine for poker habits.

No poker this evening, working until 2200.

0515 - 0640 = Poker video then at the tables.

Weekly Progress Update 28.07.2014

Graph for week




Results For Short Term Goals Week Commencing 14th July 2014

1. At the start of every session make a post-it note of two things to focus on each session. One to be strategy (such as 3betting/cbetting etc) and one to be work related (such as mark hands/make notes etc). Aim for 100% of making the post-it! - Week = 6/6. I think this is helping me to focus both as pre-session routine and in-game.

2. Post every single marked hand for the week somewhere and prove to yourself you did it! - Week = 6/6. Posted every single hand that I marked. Probably most hands I ever posted in a week.

3. Check a preflop range versus another player every time your trigger cue happens. Measure YES or NO and keep running total. Aim for 100% completion. - Week = 2/4. This is not working for me and I still have got work to do on this. I need to work something out here...

4. Post a "hand of the day" into blog. - Week = 5/5. Did this every day. Not sure I get enough feedback on this for it to be good. Will probably give it one more week. Actually, sudden thought, some of the recent criticism is because of posting that 98o hand so maybe it can be good!

5. Play 8 hours. - Played 8 hours 18 mins. 18 mins ahead! Well I still got up to play before work each morning so am very happy to complete this even though it is a very low target! Another week or two of this though I am afraid...

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Comments:
Very productive week study wise... Posted tonnes of hands and commented on many other people's. Still need to do some work on preflop ranges so will try and do that this week.

Results ended up good due to running nicely this morning (small sample obv).

Bring it on...

Short Term Goals Week Commencing 28th July 2014

1. At the start of every session make a post-it note of two things to focus on each session. One to be strategy (such as 3betting/cbetting etc) and one to be work related (such as mark hands/make notes etc). Aim for 100% of making the post-it! - Same again, keep doing this as goal until it is habit.

2. Post every single marked hand for the week somewhere and prove to yourself you did it! - Same! Would be good to make this a habit too!

3. Check a preflop range versus another player every time your trigger cue happens. Measure YES or NO and keep running total. Aim for 100% completion. - Setting reminder to do this each day at a time I am usually fairly quiet at work. See how it goes!

4. Post a "hand of the day" into blog. - Will continue this so people can see how bad I am still...

5. Play 8 hours. - Small again due to working nuts off...

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $102.30 (VPIP: 30.43, PFR: 22.61, 3Bet Preflop: 4.44, Hands: 118)
UTG: $65.54 (VPIP: 20.43, PFR: 12.90, 3Bet Preflop: 2.27, Hands: 95)
MP: $50.00 (VPIP: 15.92, PFR: 12.44, 3Bet Preflop: 4.44, Hands: 203)
CO: $40.41 (VPIP: 72.41, PFR: 9.20, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 90)
Hero (BTN): $61.07
SB: $52.76 (VPIP: 23.02, PFR: 15.47, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 290)

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has T A

UTG raises to $1.50, fold, fold, Hero calls $1.50, fold, BB calls $1.00

Flop: ($4.75, 3 players) 2 J 5
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $3.40, BB raises to $9.50, fold, Just want to ask if calling is standard here? Got position and think he has pretty strong range for this action so call > raise.

Yeh I think calling is our only option there. Don't think raising accomplish's anything, we're ahead vs his bluffs and he'll never fold value. Also we have obv huge equity.


I think checking back 3way is also a decent option, but not to sure about that one.



edit: Pre seems to be pretty loose. Maybe you should consider putting that hand in your 3betting range...

Thanks mate. Yh pre was pretty close for me too but blinds seemed pretty passive guys. I agree now, seems pretty trivial call on the flop.

The problem I run into is when we make the obvious high equity call on the flop and the turn is a blank. He bombs turn and then we have one card to come to hit our flush and are no longer getting the odds to call. So are you folding most of the time when we miss the turn? If so do we really have tons of equity on the flop if we aren't really going to see two more cards? *I'm assuming a 3/4 to pot sized bet on the turn from villain here.*

We still have decent equity with 3/4/Q/K turns and were IP with a nut draw.

Yah. Mick is right, obv.
What you say is true SpaceHippie, but calling is still the best option available to us.

Yeah I'm not disagreeing here. It's just a spot I have trouble with when I play. I'm specifically talking about hands where I strongly suspect if I hit one of my overs on the turn I'm still not going to be ahead. In this hand it definitely does help to also be able to hit two straight draws on the turn as well.

If it was only the flush that could give us the best hand could it ever be a fold?

It very much depends on the range and barreling tendencies of the villain.

It's far from certain that we won't get to see both cards on a number of run outs.

It'd hard to imagine i'm fofling a Nut Flush draw on the flop to any reasonable sizing. If you fold it i guess you shouldn't call pre.

What if it wasn't the nut flush? Ahh deeper into the rabbit hole we go

Pretty sure I'm peeling all flush draws IP on the flop.

Fair enough . Thanks for the input guys. Goodluck OP!

Edit: it's not so much the flop decision that gives me trouble. It's the trouble I get myself into on later streets. I think I should be giving up flush draws on turn that don't improve me to other best hand draws in situation where it's more likely I need more then top pair to win the hand. (Obv the times I'm facing a big turn bet)

you would expect imo the BB to have more hands like 22/44, Jx and draws himself that he decides to raise the flop with and I don't see many 2 pairs in there unless he calls a raise with J5s or something preflop. UTG imo will be more Ax, broadway cards heavy, plus some pocket pairs and maybe some suited connector type stuff... I would expect BB to certainly be polarised here to some extent and I wouldn't rule out fold equity that you may have on the flop, but I would expect you to have some reads on this. IMO, folding the flop is pure burning money. Look at your equity in the hand vs his range and the pot odds and it's an easy call even more so given implied odds. Folding is the worse option imo and raising flop is not even a mistake especially if you think you have any fold equity and BB could even be behind you by some way if he is ever polarised here/especially draws... you should run some of this stuff through CREV... btw I don't play much 6M, more of an HU guy but this is how i see it...

Schedule and Short Term Goals Update - 29.07.2014


Schedule 29th July 2014

0850 - 0900 = Import hands and mark hands for study.
0900 - 0910 = Set schedule and update goals.
0910 - 0940 = Catch up in Skype and update group timetable.
0940 - 1700 = Follow routine for poker habits.

No play poker this evening working until 2200.

0515 - 0640 = Poker video then at the tables.



Short Term Goals Week Commencing 28th July 2014

1. At the start of every session make a post-it note of two things to focus on each session. One to be strategy (such as 3betting/cbetting etc) and one to be work related (such as mark hands/make notes etc). Aim for 100% of making the post-it! - "Cbet that mother!!" and "Mark cbet hands" is current note! (Week = 1/1)

2. Post every single marked hand for the week somewhere and prove to yourself you did it! - Posted 6 hands yesterday. (Week = 6/6)

3. Check a preflop range versus another player every time your trigger cue happens. Measure YES or NO and keep running total. Aim for 100% completion. - Checked BB v BTN 3b range. (Week = 1/1)

4. Post a "hand of the day" into blog. - Posted ATs hand. (Week = 1/1)

5. Play 8 hours. - Played 1 hour 0 mins. 9 mins behind.

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Another good day of posting and commenting on hands. Really close to 5/5 on goals so happy with that.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $52.25 (VPIP: 23.49, PFR: 20.64, 3Bet Preflop: 9.59, Hands: 576)
UTG: $52.88 (VPIP: 22.45, PFR: 17.85, 3Bet Preflop: 6.93, Hands: 1,251)
CO: $23.91 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
Hero (BTN): $50.50
SB: $39.98 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has 7 8

fold, CO raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, fold, fold

Flop: ($3.75, 2 players) 4 5 5
CO checks, Hero bets $2.68, CO calls $2.68

Turn: ($9.11, 2 players) A
CO checks, Hero bets $5.74, CO calls $5.74

River: ($20.59, 2 players) 9
CO checks, Hero gives up? Played ok to river? (I wondered about 3 betting preflop due to his stack size.)

I think you cold call to much pre :P. Think 78s is close anyway and given his shortstack I don't think it's a +EV call tbh.

Hi mate. Yh I did wonder this versus midstack but thought I still have got room to make plays postflop. Getting views so far tending to call > 3b >>>> fold but will let you know overall...

Thanks for help!

Hi mate ! So what are your mid-term goals until the end of the year in terms of stakes ? Do you plan to continue playing NL50 or lower or higher ? What's your strategy ?

Just wrote long answer about medium term goals then saw you only asked about "stakes"!!!

My only strategy is to be as aggressive as my staker and I agree is reasonable.


Schedule and Short Term Goals Update - 30.07.2014


Schedule 30th July 2014
1030 - 1100 = Catch up in Skype and update group timetable.
1100 - 1700 = Follow routine for poker habits.

No play poker this evening working until 2200.

0515 - 0640 = Poker video then at the tables.



Short Term Goals Week Commencing 28th July 2014

1. At the start of every session make a post-it note of two things to focus on each session. One to be strategy (such as 3betting/cbetting etc) and one to be work related (such as mark hands/make notes etc). Aim for 100% of making the post-it! - No change. (Week = 1/1)

2. Post every single marked hand for the week somewhere and prove to yourself you did it! - Posted 6 hands yesterday. (Week = 12/12)

3. Check a preflop range versus another player every time your trigger cue happens. Measure YES or NO and keep running total. Aim for 100% completion. - Checked some BTN v CO. (Week = 2/2)

4. Post a "hand of the day" into blog. - Posted 87s hand. (Week = 2/2)

5. Play 8 hours. - Played 1 hour 0 mins. 1 hour 17 mins behind.

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Another good day of posting and commenting on hands. No play though. Had to get a house ready to hand over this morning and worked really late. Actually slept for 7.5 hours last night so must be totally wrecked!!

Schedule and Short Term Goals Update - 31.07.2014


Schedule 31st July 2014

0940 - 0950 = Import and mark hands in PT4.
0950 - 1010 = Set schedule and update goals.
1010 - 1040 = Catch up in Skype and update group timetable.
1040 - 1700 = Follow routine for poker habits.

Not playing poker this evening working until 2100.

0515 - 0640 = Poker video then at the tables.



Short Term Goals Week Commencing 28th July 2014

1. At the start of every session make a post-it note of two things to focus on each session. One to be strategy (such as 3betting/cbetting etc) and one to be work related (such as mark hands/make notes etc). Aim for 100% of making the post-it! - Had !Cbet that mother!" and "Mark cbet hands" again, think it helps. (Week = 2/2)

2. Post every single marked hand for the week somewhere and prove to yourself you did it! - No change as did not play previous day. (Week = 12/12)

3. Check a preflop range versus another player every time your trigger cue happens. Measure YES or NO and keep running total. Aim for 100% completion. - Checked some more BTN v CO. (Week = 3/3)

4. Post a "hand of the day" into blog. - None to post as did not play previous day. (Week = 2/2)

5. Play 8 hours. - Played 2 hours 14 mins. 1 hour 12 mins behind.

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Was a bit lost yesterday without hands to post but looked at lots of forum hands and had good poker chat. Decent session at tables this morning but not much time. Houses going really well so should be back for better hours soon!