Hi Sir!

As I said I did consider folding here because his 3b stats are so low in these positions. I thought it was close and whilst I am staked I seem more in favour of taking my chances!!

I think position is really important for me here as I can float and steal the pot quite often as I will flop decent equity a lot of the time.

Also...



I have been a nit for too long (and still am big time!)!

Calling the raise is absolutely fine vs a range where you have to defend a reasonable amount. Describing it as Jack high is pretty misleading/silly. It's a good Sc, can flop many pieces and will have robust equity often, to use an in-phrase.

To answer your question, I think there are several combos that can call the turn:
OTOH: AK, AQ (especially containing a heart,but even those without), KKh, KQ, KJ, QJ (with heart), other random **** such as his flop bluffs that have a low heart, if we let them hit the flush on river then he gets to scoop the pot often.

We're betting for protection as much as we are for value.

Oh boy, this is about an 80 hour conversation and I should have not started it. Ok, first I'm not trying to be rude only trying to help. U called a RR with J high no kicker, and please don't say cause it's suited. So ur bluffing big time. This is an advanced concept. No disrespect to dan but defending a J high hand is not even conceptual. It's so far out of theory it makes my head spin. Going over just a couple of hands I see way too many mistakes. Ur right learning poker is way hard. We have to start learning basic ABC poker first and foremost. And I'm talking about 1200 hours of study. Minimum. ask ur self this question. When I call or raise can I explain exactly why I did it. The biggest thing I see in ur hand posts is ur just gambling. i have to go, but maybe we should start a thread on ABC poker and learning how to study poker. Because learning where to start is the hardest part. Learning how to study is so much harder than advance concepts. Again only trying to help.

Hi sir. Certainly don't find you rude. I will take all the help I can get and I am not scared of hard work. I am not very intelligent either but I am working on it.

I agree with you 100% that learning how to study is harder than learning concepts, in fact I think governments are clueless on this never mind individuals.

Always looking for mentors/friends so thanks for the input, would love more please!

Isnt JT super standart pre? :O

I just want to make one point to dan then maybe later i will join back in. Real quick, defending is only raising, u can say I defended my QQ with a pot size bet. U can't say I called a raise with J high as a defensive play, that makes no sense. TJs is J high period and being suited is just a bonus. Now it's not a bad play having TJs IP HU. but that play alone is very complicated. And u kinda messed it up from the beginning. U can't just go splashing chips around with out knowing why. Thats called gambling.

JTs call is super standard. Dont know what is going on here.

Just looked at his other posts and decided not to debate.

Quick glance revealed advice such as "never 3bet from the BB" and "we flop a set 18% of the time".

This is a post that is finally hinting at KP24's problem. KP24 is getting crushed at nl50 and did not beat nl10/nl25. Discussing 3bets,c-bet %,bluffing etc etc etc is a waste of time here. Example : preflop co makes standard raise,btn calls and KP calls in the blind with 9-8o ? ( and someone posted that this was ok - really ?)

You can beat nl5 through nl50 if you play a very simple game : play tight,make hands and get paid.

my advice to KP24 would be learn basic theory. read a lot in the beginners forum(sure some of it is dated and you have to remember that the games are more aggressive today than five years ago). read a beginners book( wallace's "No Limits" is pretty decent). harrington's six max cash book would help too. an intermediate book such as Bakker's "analytical no-limit hold'em will give kp plenty to think about long before he's ready to try matthew janda's book. Books will help teach what to think about when playing. miller's small stakes no-limit uses six max as the format for teaching basic concepts and is worth a read also.

get a subscription to cardrunners and watch all of verneer's microstakes videos. also watch videos about basic math.

All this studying ? i can almost hear some 2+2 saying you have to play a lot to learn the game. Playing basically helps you learn more about villains' ranges and how the play them. The books will jump start the learning with advice from experts instead of from fellow microstakes players. The books will show you what is the best decision ( which is primarily just a math problem) for a given set of assumptions about the villain(s).

Eliminate the playing 4 tables for x hours a week. KP needs to learn how to play, not make the same mistakes over and over again. if you're breakeven over about 150,000 hands at nl10 & nl25 ( forgot the 24 bi slaughter at nl50) you really should start at the beginning.

You can't bury a three from the corner under pressure unless you've spent a lot of time learning how to make a free throw.

Nice speech, but it's not like KP is putting in HH's of him 5bet bluff jamming.

He's asking questions about every day spots and seeking advice.

Folding JT there is still bad though.

JTs in position is almost always a serious dog v. a 3bet. for any doubters, play with flopzilla a little bit.

someone who can not beat nl10/nl25 should have his mouse hoovering over the fold button whenever he is re-raised preflop or be ready to shove a premium pair. you play this way as a beginner while still learning the basics.

when KP can beat nl25 and nl50 he should know JTs has to flop lucky or H has to be ready to steal. how often is this v at these stakes going to fold to an aggressive steal ?

if calling is "super standard", it is one more example that low stakes players(whether micros online or $1/$2 live) play too many hands. think stake sizes here re suited connectors.

Please.....just stop

Perfect post stran, the 89o hand actually was the hand that made me say wow. Kp, I'm not a professional in any way so take my advice with a grain of salt. And again don't mean too beat u up. Question # 1. If I flop top pair good kicker, Can I explain mathematical, conceptionly and theoretical what to do without hesitation, and without thinking on: every street. In any position. With every type of player. HU or multi-way. And importantly with 2 players or 3 or 4 etc. With or without the lead. Dry or wet board. And not even discussing betting. If the answer is no. I'm sorry to say, but we prolly have to start all over from the very beginning. And this is just 1 ABC concept. U have, what to do when u flop a draw, a set, a bluff etc. Compair to college, ABC poker is like a 4 year degree. Professional is tossed around to lightly. How many pros have a PhD in poker. Think of every concept as 1 semester. Hundreds of hours of studying. I would suggest stop playing online and start hitting the books. U will pick up bad habits online that may or may not be fixable. If u get the itch play a tourney online. If u can get to a big tournament like the wsop. Playing 15 min. with Eric, Phil, Daniel etc. will give u a ton more experience than playing online. Think about this, full-time job, full-time family, full - time poker study. Any friends any hobbies? All that is almost impossible without your family suffering. it's alot easier if your rich. Getting lucky and binking a tourney will give u alot of lead way. So where on earth do we start? We start by first learning how to study. Then basic ABC poker. After the basics you'll be able to distinguish between the BS. And it's all up hill from there. U wouldn't ask Warren Buffet how to paint a picture. But that's what players do in poker. It all stems from how extremely complicated poker is. Oh and that's just NL Holdem. What about the rest of the games. Your not a professional poker player without being an expert in all the games. It's very overwhelming when u see the big picture. To many players are trying to build the golden gate bridge with a hammer. u might get lucky and get a few pieces together but I'm sorry to say in the long run most just give up. Like I said earlier this is really about an 80 hour conversation but I hope I kinda summed it up. Play smart and good luck.

Just wondering, can either stran or scotywynn post a graph from the past year of themselves beating 50NL or higher?

He doesn't have a graph TDA, but he once sat on the same table as Helmuth, so has way more experience!

I'm 95% sure they are just trolling.

advanced concepts, Phil Ivey and J high lol. Someone does not understand relative value methinks and doesn't realise hands cannot be ranked in a linear fashion vs a range. JTs is more valuable then low Ax. Though of course Ax is often a good hand to 3bet, but not against someone with just 5% 3bet of course.... 4years bro to beat 50nl... doable in 3motnhs or less imo... forget about WSOP KP. Keep playing and studying man. It will happen KP and if not enjoy some other **** like your family and life eh? Best of luck...

Aye aye!! What the heck is going on in here then!?

Great to see all the good advice coming in. I am totally knackered right now as just finished 16 hour shift so will reply to you guys tomorrow morning.

Really appreciate the help though, thanks.

Schedule and Short Term Goals Update - 26.07.2014


Schedule 26th July 2014

0840 - 0850 = Import hands and mark hands for study.
0850 - 0905 = Update weekly goals and set schedule.
0905 - 0935 = Catch up in Skype and update group timetable.
0935 - 1200 = Follow routine for poker habits.

No poker for rest of day working until 1700 then going out to relax! Next play Sunday evening.



Short Term Goals Week Commencing 21st July 2014

1. At the start of every session make a post-it note of two things to focus on each session. One to be strategy (such as 3betting/cbetting etc) and one to be work related (such as mark hands/make notes etc). Aim for 100% of making the post-it! - YES! Put up "CBETTING" and "MARK CBET HANDS" again. Same again!! Playing short sessions atm but seems to be helping. (Week = 5/5)

2. Post every single marked hand for the week somewhere and prove to yourself you did it! - Posted 6 hands yesterday. (Got 8 marked today....) (Week = 5/5)

3. Check a preflop range versus another player every time your trigger cue happens. Measure YES or NO and keep running total. Aim for 100% completion. - Ah damn!!! Need to get into this somehow. (Week = 2/4)

4. Post a "hand of the day" into blog. - DONE! (Week = 5/5)

5. Play 8 hours. - Played 5 hours 46 mins. 3 mins ahead!

4 x
1 x

Read lots of forum HH yesterday, getting better at commenting on hands I think.

Will have worked 82 hours this week by tonight so looking forward to having tomorrow off and spending time with family (and a few beers I reckon ).

I have decided to not comment on the above just because some people think they are trolling (whatever that means!) and I am not smart enough to get into all that stuff! (Also I still think the 89o hand linked here is a call preflop.)
Thank you Sir. Family always first and life is just about perfect so thanks again for nice comments.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $50.50 (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 20.63, 3Bet Preflop: 7.41, Hands: 66)
MP: $29.59 (VPIP: 30.41, PFR: 12.87, 3Bet Preflop: 4.92, Hands: 177)
CO: $120.08 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
BTN: $40.97 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
Hero (SB): $51.44
BB: $61.14 (VPIP: 28.20, PFR: 18.96, 3Bet Preflop: 4.68, Hands: 430)

Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has J J

fold, fold, CO raises to $1.50, fold, Hero raises to $5.00, fold, CO calls $3.50

Flop: ($10.50, 2 players) 5 8 2
Hero bets $6.25, CO raises to $18.75, Just jam here?

Call.

Anything we're beating likely folds, and anything that has us crushed sucks. (way ahead/wayyyy behind)

I'd likely call flop/turn and fold to a river bet.

not germane to my post by way of illustration - search the forums for some 2+2ers questioning ed miller's advice just because he doesn't play high stakes

the key graph is KP's ; explain to me why his fundamentals are not seriously flawed, unless he is just one of the most unlucky players ever to hit the virtual felt

not being sarcastic why would i bother making suggestions for improving KP's game if i just wanted to play troll ?