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02-03-2014 , 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by JackJones
Good work amigo
Thank you Sir. Gotta love work!!
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Originally Posted by sangalla
I laughing at your note book (err...... I mean the paper book, not computer). I can't believe you really hand write it !!

You are truly inspire.
Thanks man! Yeah, I read stuff and try to take it in, then I make hand written notes whilst reading it again, and then I type it into PC notes trying to not use the book at all. And I still don't believe that is quite enough to be honest!
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02-03-2014 , 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by KP24
Hi mate, I really appreciate your input on this, thanks for taking the time to write me those thoughts. I will take that on board and when i get to stuff that, like you say, looks like it will not help I will either slow down on the note taking or at least come to you and see your opinions (assuming you don't mind please).

Thanks again amigo.
Of course, that's fine. Fwiw I got most of the way through part 2 before I stopped taking the detailed notes. I realised it was just taking way too long and felt that the benefit I was getting was completely out of proportion to the time I was spending on it. I figured having a general understanding of the whole topic by just reading through the entire book would be more efficient as I could then just go back and spend time on the part I deemed important.
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02-03-2014 , 07:43 AM
Weekly Progress Update 03.02.2014

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Nice little heater at start of week! Overall things are going extremely well!!
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02-03-2014 , 08:19 AM
Nice month Chris
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02-03-2014 , 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by dg4
Nice month Chris
Thanks amigo!! Having fries with cheeseburger this month
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02-03-2014 , 08:43 AM
I'd just like to second Ron's opinion.

GL KP
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02-03-2014 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Cangurino
I'd just like to second Ron's opinion.

GL KP
Thanks very much for your input, really appreciate it. Thx for GL too!
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02-03-2014 , 10:35 AM
02-03-2014 , 12:51 PM
New Goals List

Goal 1 - Play 60 hours in February - Reduced goal by 5 hours. Obviously 3 less days in February and I did not quite make the target last month. I don't think I need to be pushing my hours played target any harder but I do need it there to keep me managing time well.

Goal 2 - Post all marked hands to blog and/or Skype group and send link to staker - This should really be habit now but its not so it has to be a goal!

Goal 3 - Comment on all of friends' hands in Skype Group (unless day off) - As above, it seems obvious but want to keep reminded of it daily still.

Goal 4 - Comment on two HH's other than on Skype - Just would like to get back into this, its good for thought process and seeing what other players are up to!

Goal 5 - Study Janda - I will study this book for the foreseeable future. I will read each and every section and then so long as I deem it necessary for my long term improvement I will then make written notes until such point that I understand what I have written well and can type it into my blog unaided. This is going to take some time!!

Goal 6 - Post weekly review to group - Another "reminder".

On top of this I aim to write my schedule on all poker days but hopefully doing this is automatic now so I will not make it a goal as such.

My stake trial is being extended for another month. I need to push him to do reviews/sweats/HH reviews for me!!
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02-04-2014 , 06:14 AM
Schedule and Goals Update - 04.02.2014

Schedule 4th February 2014

08.00 - 10.00 = Busy at work!!
10.00 - 11.00 = Update schedule then post marked hands.
11.00 - 15.00 = Catch up with group, comment on 2 forum hands.
15.00 - 17.00 = Janda study (at work).
19.45 - 20.15 = Janda study.
20.15 - 10.30 = Set tables up and meet staker online first to be sweated and then to rail him .
10.45 - 04.00 = Powernap
04.00 - 04.30 = Train TKD.
04.40 - 06.40 = At the tables.



Goal 1 - Play 60 hours in February - Played 7.7 hours which is 12.8% of target, month is 10.7% old. Good start! Better than usual!!

Goal 2 - Post all marked hands to blog and/or Skype group and send link to staker - Did one yesterday and saved all answers.

Goal 3 - Comment on all of friends' hands in Skype Group (unless day off) - Think I did (its quiet in there...)

Goal 4 - Comment on two HH's other than on Skype - Did not even schedule this and forget. Asswipe!!

Goal 5 - Study Janda - Spent a lot of time reading yesterday but no notes made. I started on 3b/4b/5b stuff too. Should be interesting (but tough for me!).

Goal 6 - Post weekly review to group - Lol. It is mine this week so nothing to do. Will see if any replies in yet...

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5 x
1 x

Good start!! I noticed last month that I start badly on my hours goal always. This suggests some attachment to achieving the goal and maybe to results too. Need to put an end to that bad habit!

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Session



I ran bad, honest!
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02-04-2014 , 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by KP24
I am cbetting here with all the backdoor draws we have.. alsobluffing at least a k on the turn

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02-04-2014 , 09:16 AM
#259 - Your sizing is a bit off here. I know it's a monotone board and we hate life if the fourth diamond comes, but we should still size our bets the same as we always do if we're planning three streets. You can go with a smaller 3bet size (10bbs is fine) which will also help this.

#260 - As discussed in the group, I'm calling and taking a note.

#261 - Against a fish, I think a cbet is more than fine. Once he raises for this sizing, I'm calling flop and then folding to any further aggression. But you'll find he'll do this on the flop and then snap check turn a ton. Check it back and try and get to SD once he does.

#262 - Yeah, cbetting this every day. As played river is close. Probably just calling vs an unknown, even if he has bought in for 40bbs. But yeah, cbet this.

#263 - Just raise vs this fish and then bomb turn and river.

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02-04-2014 , 09:31 AM
259: yeah standard
260: as discussed, i'm folding.... (interesting hand... I'll try to do deep analysis on this hand)
261: yeah, i'm cbet here. Flop is dry. Call flop raise. OTT fold to reasonable size bet.
262: i like your line (as played). and yes raise gii river
263: if this is HU postflop, I'll raise flop. But in with TPTK + nut FD + IP .....I think its more EV to slowplayng on the flop.
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02-04-2014 , 09:39 AM
#260 is a hand that really sucks. Theoretically we're towards the top of our range and probably should be calling to avoid being exploited (ie Villain can bet his entire range and profit). However, that only matters if Villain is actually betting his entire range to exploit us. In reality, he's likely not doing that, and is actually going to show up with what he's repping (overpairs/boats). It's gonna be close either way, probably a fold if he's a reg, leaning towards a call if we can see that he's 1-tabling, or has done something bad in a previous hand.
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02-04-2014 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerRon247
#260 is a hand that really sucks. Theoretically we're towards the top of our range and probably should be calling to avoid being exploited (ie Villain can bet his entire range and profit). However, that only matters if Villain is actually betting his entire range to exploit us. In reality, he's likely not doing that, and is actually going to show up with what he's repping (overpairs/boats). It's gonna be close either way, probably a fold if he's a reg, leaning towards a call if we can see that he's 1-tabling, or has done something bad in a previous hand.
what's your tb range in villain spot? (nothing to do with the actualy hand meaning not gonna heklp if AJ is a call or not in this spot but i just wonder how other guys balance their TB ranges on this board in villain's spot)

(mine would be something like AKo KQo w/o club, low clubs, A3s, A4s [without clubs] as bluffs and KJ+ for value) but i wouldnt take this big sizing since i dont wanna polarize my range

what you think?
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02-04-2014 , 11:03 AM
I've lurked this thread for a while and am very impressed. I think you have a backing/maybe coaching? deal already so I'm not going to step on any toes, but if things change feel free to hit me up. Either way I'll be following, gl!
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02-04-2014 , 11:13 AM
I've just run the hand through crEV, and although it's simplified compared to real life, my sim seems to show that any bluffs on the river are -EV, both in overall terms and relative to checking. I think this is because BB's range is quite strong by the time it gets to the river, and is polarised between TP hands that are largely going to call (most TP hands are strong, because BB isn't calling pre with stuff like J6o), or missed draws that our range beats.

Like I said, this is simplified because I only spent about 20 mins on it, but the conclusion kinda makes sense. Of course the actual conclusion will depend on several factors such as how much Jx BB calls pre, how light BB calls flop and turn postflop, how tight he plays on the river and how he plays draws/backdoor draws on the flop and turn.
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02-04-2014 , 11:15 AM
i think not having a bluffrange somewhere where you have a betting range is -EV too :P
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02-04-2014 , 11:19 AM
re hand #260, he has nearly as many combos of KJ as he does QQ+, plus spaz factor, plus we're at top of range basically. I think we have to be calling AJ and can fold all other jacks as an exploit.

We also only need to be right 31.7% so that makes up for the other boats/trips that beat us as a guess.
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02-04-2014 , 11:23 AM
what trips?
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02-04-2014 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Deeepz
what trips?
A2s?
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02-04-2014 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Deeepz
i think not having a bluffrange somewhere where you have a betting range is -EV too :P
I disagree. In this situation, our bluffs actually beat the part of Villain's range that will fold to a bet, so we're better off checking them.

In any case, it's not going to be -EV. It might not be maximum +EV, but it's not going to be -EV. And in real-life situations where out opponents are playing very unbalanced and are not actively exploiting us, it can be absolutely fine to have no bluff range, and possibly even the best approach.

Oh and also fwiw I also now think that it's a call with AJs, as in the actual hand.
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02-04-2014 , 11:37 AM
yeah im talking its super exploitable not having a bluffrange for obvious reasons therefore its gonna be -ev if villain exploits this by folding all his bluffcatchers he's not ahead of our value range
also we have some bd clubs like 76cc that are def not ahead of his the part of his range that will fold to a bet

and def a lot more cards like if he were to call all Jx and TT and stuff its super exploitable play from him since we then could widen our valuerange ourselves
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02-04-2014 , 11:47 AM
I agree it's mega exploitable, but that's only a problem if he's exploiting us. After playing 50 hands with a guy at 25nl, I'm not worried about that and am going to play pretty much in a vacuum. In which case it comes down to whether betting a bluff hand is more +EV than checking it. In the case of 7c6c, we may never win by checking, but it may also be possible that his so strong that we're not going to get enough folds to make a bet +EV either. That's up for debate though obviously. A lot of our other bluff hands such as AcXc may find that it's more +EV to check and beat his busted draws than to bet and get called a large % of the time.

I'll start playing more balanced/unexploitable when I have more information such as Villain is exploiting my strategy, or that my very unbalanced exploitable style is not profitable against him.
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