206: think you can fold turn without a dimond vs a nit
207: you can call pre, 4b offsuit Ax. his sizing is pretty small so you can peel fairly wide
208: $3

In that hand analysis above Sangalla, I think your problem is that you expect villain (and it seems this is what you would do so something to think about) to raise flop with everything that is a value hand including over pairs and call with speculative hands only.

That seems unrealistic to me for a few reasons.

And that is why your analysis is left with a very weak range on the turn that we can get plenty of folds from (and that is why you believe it to be EV0 or slightly EV+) when in actual fact if he calls some of the hands that you suggested he raises on the flop (I would in fact call almost all of the hands you mentioned being IP) then his range when the turn hits is far too strong for us to barrel against.

If my analysis is then true not only should we not bet the turn (I do not expect villain to even fold TT-77 on the turn btw even though some would) then maybe we should not even bet the flop - but that seems to be a matter for another discussion!!

yeah that's true. And I prefer b/f than x/c the botton of my calling range.


flop play suggestion accepted. Thanks.
if we should not bet this flop, then we should not open 67s from this position

For sure some people don't open 76s from this position.

A good reason not to do so is if you are burning money postflop due to lack of skills.

Another option is to strengthen your BRM and get into these spots and try to find out the best way to play it.

A good reason to open 76s is that it can flop lots of equity and we can put pressure on weak players with that equity, but yeah if we are going to be a nit or a spewtard post flop then don't open it!

There are many flops to have a check/folding range on although I don't think we should check fold here.

I think there are some villains we can cbet the flop against (high fold to cbet and zero fold to cbet) and there are some players who we can check/call or check/raise against (players who stab every flop and give up).

I am not good enough to work all this out yet but I am damn sure that one day I will be!!

LMAO!!!! I saw this earlier and thought "oh, cool a new person replying".

Just brought the hands up to relate your opinions to and then I realised!!

Thanks for this dg, hope you can do more!!

Thanks Dz!!

Regarding #208 - You think many NL25 regs are betting this river for me? What range does this?

Schedule and goals progress - 9.10.2014

Schedule 9th January 2014

04.45 - 06.40 = At the tables - Lost one hour due to daughter (she is ill in night)!!
08.00 - 10.00 = Talk about success/motivation in group IT JUST HAPPENED!
10.00 - 17.00 = Keep up with group, post marked hands, read more of MGOP2 (at work)! Ask around about thin value/bluffing
19.40 - 23.00 = At the tables (need to make up time badly now).

Goal 1 - Play 65 hours in January - Played 14.7 hours (disgusted) which is 22.6%, month is 27.4% old, 3.1 hours behind!!

Goal 2 - Post weekly review to group -Tony's is up and ready to do, need to plan in!

Goal 3 - Post all marked hands to blog and Skype group - Done! Lots more replies again, thanks.

Goal 4 - Comment on all of friends' hands in Skype Group (unless day off) - Done!

Goal 5 - Get No Bulls**t Six Max Poker to level of unconscious competence - Only one to look up in this session (but then hardly played!).

Goal 6 - Read The Mental Game Of Poker 2 - Getting addicted to this stuff!! Page 58 of 191 (30.4%).

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(Think I levelled myself, good hands to look at later... )

HH Work - 9.1.2014

Mine...

Mine #209 - AKs SB v UTG and BB hits TPTK and NFD, call or raise? (WT)
Mine #210 - 45s RFI sb v bb is ok? XF otf, delay cb ott with FD? (WT)
Mine #211 - QQ otb seeing MP 3b v UTG open, bad position? (WT)
Mine #212 - ATo btn v sb, cb J95tt (OEBDSD)?, call T (completes flush) ott? C or F river? (WT)
Mine #213 - QQ BTN v SB. Cbet AT7r? Turn blank bet or XC? Plan for river? (WT)
Mine #214 - Preflop mistake to call QJo in BB v CO and SB fishes? As played can XC XC XF?

209: 3b and get it in pre given he has 28bbs, call if he had 100bb. call flop
210: not cbetting flop is fine. bet turn, re-evaluate river if he calls. note he shouldn't have too many Kx in his range
211: pretty annoying spot. without much of a sample on these guys i would go ahead and fold
212: played fine til river, any stats would help on a river decision. looks like a call with the amount of stuff that bricked off and decent pot odds (provided villain is capable)
213: cbetting is fine otf but i prefer checking because of the exact spot you are in on the turn. you can also check flop with some low Axs you open to protect your range since you won't get 3 streets of value from them anyway. as played check turn
214: if sb is a whale you can 3b this pre to isolate him. calling is okay too, definitely don't fold. call turn and re-evaluate rivers as played.

Schedule and Goal Progress Update - 10.01.2014

Schedule 10th January 2014

04.30 - 05.00 = Train, do poker warm-up, read goals etc. - DONE!
05.00 - 06.40 = At the tables - DONE!
08.00 - 14.00 = Keep up with group, post marked hands.. Will be tough very busy day at work!
14.00 - 17.00 = Review answers to yesterdays hands.
20.30 - 23.00 = At the tables (still need to make up time).

Goal 1 - Play 65 hours in January - Played 19.1 hours which is 29.4% of target, month is 30.6% old, 48 mins behind!! Good catch-up but still a

Goal 2 - Post weekly review to group -Tony's is up and ready to do, need to plan in! (Shift your butt!!!)

Goal 3 - Post all marked hands to blog and Skype group - Done! Thanks for replies!!

Goal 4 - Comment on all of friends' hands in Skype Group (unless day off) - Done!

Goal 5 - Get No Bulls**t Six Max Poker to level of unconscious competence - Played a lot and hardly looked up any!

Goal 6 - Read The Mental Game Of Poker 2 - Page 63 of 191 (33.0%) Read this folks (after MGOP1).

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Great catch-up on the hours but not quite the full six!!
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(Got good 4 hours of play in, everything went well first half then second half card dead.)

HH Work - 10.01.2014

Mine

Mine #215 - Fish min XR my TPTK multiway on J42tt. Plan? (WT)
Mine #216 - QcQh - 3b BB v BTN on KJ7tt. Bet or XC? (WT)
Mine #217 - 88 hits set CO v SB on J98tt (190bb deep)... (WT)
Mine #218 - KQ - CO v BTN on T76tt w BDFD and BDSD... (WT)
Mine #219 - T9s - CO v BTN on A86r, cbet flop and different turn plans... (WT)

Once again, massive thanks to people replying. I get all the replies together the next day and try to improve!!

Update - 11.01.2014

Won't do full update with goals and schedule as weekend affects too much (two kids parties, TKD, work Saturday morning, bla bla) but I will still get work in you will see!!

Need to find time to....
1. Do Tony's review (although still have Monday night for this if needed).
2. Post hands from last 24 hours (about to do hopefully!).
3. Read some of MGOP 2.
4. Look at replies to yesterday's hands (although not seen any/many yet!)

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215: I am not folding.. but if he starts to bomb later streets we gotta prepare to foldhis raise flop given his pos i strong tho)
216: i would bet fold(he calls with worse) I would check turn, since ppl dont bet worse than Kx here.. (hence they xback alot)
217:given how deep you are.. he never has you beat here.! i would 3bet here.. an never expect a 4bet!
218:i am betting here.. 2overs and BDFD and BDSD.. he folds enough also to the flop cbet
219: turn just xback.. they cant fold weak aces,, even tho they prob should

HH Work - 11.01.2014

Mine...

Mine #220 - KJs - co v sb 3b (too loose?), C on J97tt, probe on 2 (now 2 x FD), river? (WT)
Mine #221 - ATs BB v SB and UTG, should sqz? AS played bet ott v fish but XB v reg? (WT)

Weekly Progress Update 13.01.2014

Profit/loss for week = + $49.97


Graph for week



Comments:
First up, obviously the sample size is tiny so cannot take anything from these results (at least they are positive though!).

What I always try to measure somehow is my thought process. This is really hard to explain and put into measurable terms but I post a lot of hands and read a lot of other people's hands. When you do this you can get a feeling for how your thought process is improving.

I am starting to find it easier to help people with their hands and also to discuss the concepts involved in mine. Also in the hands I post I am starting to get more replies like "well its close between X and Y", whereas I used to get replies like "why the hell did you bet there!?!?!?". So this is all encouraging and hopefully means I am making the improvements necessary to get better.

It has been a great week regarding hand posting, Skype group, hours played and general progress so very happy all round.

#220: not folding pre vs potential fish. as played turn bet is good and now shovel river and get herocalled by A high soemtimes. sometimes fish will have AJ or QQ or something but I dont think this is near being too thin. hes a fish and draws missed
#221: I dont mind the call pre. if fish was 80bb+ deep this would def be a squeeze but vs ss fish in pot i prefer flatting and playing mw pot ip with good mw hand. bet bigger OTF on this board vs fish. and now b/f turn like 4$. still lot of value from pairs+draws, naked FDs, Tx

Whoops, had not imported last session so results very slightly incorrect.

Here is that session and new totals...

Schedule and Goals Update - 13.01.2013

Schedule 13th January 2014

04.30 - 05.00 = Train, do poker warm-up, read goals etc. - DONE!
05.00 - 06.40 = At the tables - DONE!
08.00 - 14.00 = Keep up with group, post marked hands, GET FEEDBACK RE GROUP SESSION!
14.00 - 17.00 = Review answers to Saturday's hands.
19.45 - 23.00 = Finish Tony's review (then play if time).

Goal 1 - Play 65 hours in January - Played 24.0 hours which is 36.9% of target, month is 40.3% old, 2.2 hours behind!! Damn weekends!

Goal 2 - Post weekly review to group -Done 33% of this and planned in to finish tonight.

Goal 3 - Post all marked hands to blog and Skype group - Done!

Goal 4 - Comment on all of friends' hands in Skype Group (unless day off) - Done!

Goal 5 - Get No Bulls**t Six Max Poker to level of unconscious competence - Really happy with this. I am hardly using it now and not only are my ranges better than they were but my brain is freed up to work on the new things I am learning (three barrel bluffs FTW!!)!

Goal 6 - Read The Mental Game Of Poker 2 - Page 80 of 191 (41.9%). Great stuff on "learning" at the moment, loving it!

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Lost some play time but also had our first video review session together in the group which went very well for the first one (I think!). Some things to work on in there but it all looks very promising.

Schedule and Goals Update - 15.01.2013

Schedule 15th January 2014

04.00 - 04.30 = Train, do poker warm-up, read goals etc. - DONE!
04.30 - 06.40 = At the tables - DONE!
10.00 - 12.00 = Study MGOP 2.
12.00 - 17.00 = Keep up with group, post marked hands.
19.45 - 20.45 = Start Iron's review.
20.45 - 22.30 = At the tables.

Goal 1 - Play 65 hours in January - Played 30.1 hours which is 46.3% of target, month is 46.8% old, 18 mins behind!! Balla comeback!

Goal 2 - Post weekly review to group -New video (Iron) is posted will start on this tonight...

Goal 3 - Post all marked hands to blog and Skype group - Done!

Goal 4 - Comment on all of friends' hands in Skype Group (unless day off) - Done!

Goal 5 - Get No Bulls**t Six Max Poker to level of unconscious competence - I think I looked up one in 6 hours of play! Some people might think this is a weird goal but freeing your brain capacity to work on other more advanced things is an essential part of learning (inchworm).

Goal 6 - Read The Mental Game Of Poker 2 - Page 80 of 191 (41.9%). Fell behind on this but no worries.

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Looks bad but actually had massive catch up on goal 1 (hours). Had a bit of a life/work crisis yesterday but it has turned out quite positive (I actually did a very bad thing but no need to go further into this imo). This has affected goal 6 but I am going to work on that right now!!

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Run goot!!!

HH Work - 15.01.2014

Mine...

Mine #222 - Another cbet and barrels question KT on Q32r w BDFD, btn v bb

Something strange is going on. I actively look for hands to ask about and don't seem to be getting many. Their is a chance I am not focussed enough I guess.

Schedule and Goals Update - 16.01.2013


Schedule 16th January 2014

04.00 - 04.30 = Train, do poker warm-up, read goals etc. - DONE!
04.30 - 06.40 = At the tables - DONE!
10.00 - 17.00 = Keep up with group, post marked hands, comment on TPSP hands.
19.45 - 20.45 = Start Iron's review.
20.45 - 22.30 = At the tables.

Goal 1 - Play 65 hours in January - Played 33.3 hours which is 51.2% of target, month is 50.0% old, 48 mins ahead!! Smell that sweet (mini) success!

Goal 2 - Post weekly review to group -Will start on Iron's tonight. Was planned for yesterday but had to put a massive Ikea unit together for wife and kids to store all their crap!!

Goal 3 - Post all marked hands to blog and Skype group - Done!

Goal 4 - Comment on all of friends' hands in Skype Group (unless day off) - Done!

Goal 5 - Get No Bulls**t Six Max Poker to level of unconscious competence - Couple of looks today but confirmed my thoughts both times.

Goal 6 - Read The Mental Game Of Poker 2 - Page 101 of 191 (52.9%). Back on track. Just finished the section on learning and it was mega!!

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Its tough but back on track with all goals, just got to keep going. All these small successes go to make the whole process a success.

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Seriously card dead sessions! Was a good mental exercise to try and stay focussed and keep just playing as EV+ as possible. Just one of those where they floated every cbet on dry, called every 3 bet bluff, flopped zero equity and looked down at 92o each hand!! All good practice and standard as it comes.

Hardworking boss

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HH Work - 16.01.2014

Mine...

Mine #223 - AQs iso CO v UTG & MP, flop NFD + 2ndPTK on KQTtt, played ok? River call or raise? (WT)
Mine #224 - 88 BTN v SB 3b, flop AQ9tt and villain goes XXX OOP, turn into bluff? (WT)
Mine #225 - KK versus likely fish, Ace on turn XB and call otr is ok? (WT)
Mine #226 - A8s - Turn action with FD and TP after KK5tt goes XXX 3 way... (WT)

Yeah baby, we going all the way!!!

I will reply when i get home

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Schedule and Goals Update - 17.01.2013

Schedule 17th January 2014

04.00 - 04.30 = Train, do poker warm-up, read goals etc. - DONE!
04.30 - 06.40 = At the tables - DONE!
10.00 - 17.00 = Keep up with group, post marked hands, comment on TPSP hands.
Probably will not play this evening...

Goal 1 - Play 65 hours in January - Played 36.0 hours which is 55.3% of target, month is 53.2% old, 1 hour 24 mins ahead!! Can you feel that baby!?

Goal 2 - Post weekly review to group -The cheeky monkey has only gone and posted a zoom video, could take a while!!

Goal 3 - Post all marked hands to blog and Skype group - Done!

Goal 4 - Comment on all of friends' hands in Skype Group (unless day off) - Done!

Goal 5 - Get No Bulls**t Six Max Poker to level of unconscious competence - No need to look these sessions!

Goal 6 - Read The Mental Game Of Poker 2 - Page 105 of 191 (55.0%). Learning about Instinct v Thinking v Intuition, orgasmic stuff!!

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Loverly jubberly!! Weekend could mess it up but will see...

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