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Old 05-17-2017, 06:51 AM   #2576
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Re: WARNING!!! Turning pro is HARD ****ING WORK!! And you will see this ITT...

Poker Update! Two Days!

On Monday night Stars went down for me so lost an hour there and posted some hands. Last night I also lost a bit of time as kids were playing up at bedtime and then wife had a crisis but did not lose more than an hour...

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I was hoping to get 3000 hands in but the gods said no.

Also I have not been sleeping well over the last week or so so I don't want to stay up any longer to catch time up as it is EV- imo.

I only slept 4 or 5 hours the last few nights which I can live with but don't want to go any less!

We had some excitement as some construction workers found an unexploded bomb from World War II near my work! (News link here​)

It totally destroyed the traffic in the city and made my drive to and from work more like 2 hours each way instead of one hour! On two days too!

Fortunately I live 25 miles from the bomb but my kids were still scared we are going to be blown to bits!!!

I did manage to fit in a legs workout last night but it was not a very good one as my kids wanted to be involved but it was already bedtime! We video recorded it so will show soon as should be a bit funny at least!

I have not got any muscle soreness this morning and that makes me sad! Maybe it will come tomorrow!!!

Help on hands would be great please amigos...

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $12.14 (121.4 bb)
    BB: $9.69 (96.9 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $10 (100 bb)
    MP: $10.83 (108.3 bb)
    CO: $10.60 (106 bb)
    BTN: $26.99 (269.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q T
    Hero raises to $0.25, MP folds, CO calls $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, 2 folds

    Flop: ($0.90) J Q T (3 players)
    Hero bets $0.65, CO calls $0.65, BTN calls $0.65

    Turn: ($2.85) 6 (3 players)
    Hero bets $1.80, CO calls $1.80, BTN folds

    River: ($6.45) 4 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $3.10, Hero calls $3.10

    Spoiler:


    I really don't like this flop as my two pair feels a bit weak and I cannot get 3 streets of value, especially 3-way when I will rep a strong range by betting. Maybe I could XC flop?

    Anyway I bet because there are some draws there especially pair + draw like AQ, AJs, ATs, KQ, KJs, KTs, T9s and 99 might call too. Also JT I beat. Maybe sometimes CO has KK???

    Turn I felt similar. I can get some value again and feel that they would have raised some sets on flop and T9 too. I think all those hands could call again but probably not 99.

    River I cannot get value. Only JT might call a small bet.

    I don't think there are enough missed draws to XC, probably not any as they will not turn AT into bluff at micros.

    He did bet only 0.5x so I need to be good 1 in 4 times. In game I was thinking "he would have raised sets and straights but he has QT and TJ that might bet small so call!!!".

    Can you rip that apart for me please amigos!?

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      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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      SB: $10.51 (105.1 bb)
      BB: $12.05 (120.5 bb)
      UTG: $29.55 (295.5 bb)
      MP: $10 (100 bb)
      Hero (CO): $10 (100 bb)
      BTN: $17.25 (172.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with A Q
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.95, BB folds, Hero calls $0.70

      Flop: ($2) 3 K Q (2 players)
      SB bets $1, Hero calls $1

      Turn: ($4) 4 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($4) K (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero ???

      Do you think I could make a small bet here (0.6x) to get value from Qx (although not many in range)?

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      AJ I'd start out by cbet flop, we have a good TP and backdoor clubs so I prefer to build the pot early on. People will call with less than TP on this board, and you listed many of those hands so not sure why you are checking this hand As played river is prob lol-exploit fold vs NL10 population.
      T9 is perfect, raising accomplishes nothing good for our hand. nh wp
      T5s is just gonna be a fold pre 3way, yeah it's good odds but T5s is a really weak hand. I'd draw the line at T8s prob. As played also don't think we should put any more chips into the pot.
      Really appreciate this, thanks PL! I am calling all suited in BB MW so need to cut that out!
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      Old 05-17-2017, 07:44 AM   #2577
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      Re: WARNING!!! Turning pro is HARD ****ING WORK!! And you will see this ITT...

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      I have not got any muscle soreness this morning and that makes me sad! Maybe it will come tomorrow!!!
      It's a pretty big myth that muscle soreness (DOMS) is a desirable thing after exercise. It's not necessarily good or bad, but it's certainly not true that the only workouts where you ache the day afterwards are the good workouts. Google something like "is DOMS good and you'll find some good reading.

      If you have any health and fitness questions, the beginners thread in the h&f forum here on 2p2 is excellent for getting straightforward, no bull**** advice from people who really know their stuff. At the risk of invalidating my advice.... pretty much any thread on 2p2 outside of the h&f forum is awful for receiving advice on the matter.
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      Old 05-18-2017, 05:43 AM   #2578
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        Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

        SB: $11.61 (116.1 bb)
        BB: $11.23 (112.3 bb)
        UTG: $17.05 (170.5 bb)
        MP: $12.22 (122.2 bb)
        Hero (CO): $11.26 (112.6 bb)
        BTN: $15.14 (151.4 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is CO with Q A
        2 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, BTN folds, SB raises to $1, BB folds, Hero calls $0.75

        Flop: ($2.10) 6 4 3 (2 players)
        SB checks, Hero bets $1.21, SB raises to $3.43, Hero raises to $10.26, SB calls $6.83

        Turn: ($22.62) 4 (2 players)
        River: ($22.62) J (2 players)

        I really don't know how to work this hand out!

        When he X flop I think he does not have an overpair as most guys at 10nlz are value betting here. He can have AK, AQ though that I would like to make fold and I have tonnes of equity so I bet with plan to bet 2 or 3 streets, probably 3.

        Then he XR me and I doubt he has sets just because I don't see guys 3b low pp's in SB very often so now I am thinking he can have like JJ+ and he always has a value hand imo (at these games).

        As the pot is already $6.70ish and I have $9 behind with $2.20 to call it just seems to me easy to jam now while my equity is at its highest. Folding is not an option and if I call I might lose action on a spade or my equity decreases if I miss.

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          Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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          SB: $11.05 (110.5 bb)
          Hero (BB): $10 (100 bb)
          UTG: $11.16 (111.6 bb)
          MP: $10.53 (105.3 bb)
          CO: $10.30 (103 bb)
          BTN: $11.42 (114.2 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BB with T Q
          2 folds, CO raises to $0.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.15

          Flop: ($0.55) T 5 A (2 players)
          Hero checks, CO bets $0.39, Hero calls $0.39

          Turn: ($1.33) 9 (2 players)
          Hero checks, CO bets $0.94, Hero calls $0.94

          River: ($3.21) 3 (2 players)
          Hero checks, CO bets $1.95, Hero raises to $5...

          ​​She has $6.44 behind here so I should have just XRAI right???​ Like looking back this looks pretty bad to me to go $5?

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          It's a pretty big myth that muscle soreness (DOMS) is a desirable thing after exercise. It's not necessarily good or bad, but it's certainly not true that the only workouts where you ache the day afterwards are the good workouts. Google something like "is DOMS good and you'll find some good reading.

          If you have any health and fitness questions, the beginners thread in the h&f forum here on 2p2 is excellent for getting straightforward, no bull**** advice from people who really know their stuff. At the risk of invalidating my advice.... pretty much any thread on 2p2 outside of the h&f forum is awful for receiving advice on the matter.
          Hi mate.

          Hope I did not suggest anywhere that "only the workouts where you ache the next day are the good workouts" (for everyone) as that is pretty ridiculous if I did.

          I just like them that way as it motivates me to get to that point and it also serves as feedback that I achieved what I set out to achieve in the workout.

          Fitness/strength is not yet understood by the world's greatest scientists so reading anything about it at all has to be taken with a pinch of salt imo.

          I am not sore again today in my legs so for me that work out did not achieve what I wanted. Kids!

          Thanks for input as always Ron.
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          Old 05-18-2017, 06:18 AM   #2579
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          H1. Standard and nothing to worry abt this. Shove flop much better then call.
          H2. Raise/shove the rest of your stack cuz you can rep missed draw and she gonna call you with any Ax
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          Old 05-18-2017, 08:31 AM   #2580
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          Re: WARNING!!! Turning pro is HARD ****ING WORK!! And you will see this ITT...

          Hey again Chris.

          Look, i think you've been getting caught up in the same fuss most people get.

          "Trying to play way to advance for their skillset"

          Meaning they try and play 25/19/9 and have no idea how to proceed postflop.

          My best advice to you, if you want to make money. While its still possible in poker( say 2-4 years ).

          Is to go down and play a much much tighter range, and just chase the fish. Expand your ranges when facing fish but tighten up ALOT when facing regs.

          Theres plenty of fish at NL10z, i mean hello so just relax and let them donate.

          Dont get caught up trying to shoot 3 pointers all the time when ur tall enough to just dunk.

          GO EASY GL
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          Old 05-18-2017, 09:14 AM   #2581
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          AQs is fine

          QTs river sizing is bad and just leaving money at the table, let's pretend that we were 300bb deep this should've been a much bigger raise than $5, so it's an easy jam with 100bb stacks. Default should be like 9-ish imo with the current river potsize plus facing this betsize.
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          Old 05-19-2017, 06:22 AM   #2582
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          ​Week Summary

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          I was hoping for 8000+ hands this week but circumstances prevented it. Also I am playing a little bit slower preflop, as I think I can auto-pilot there too much.

          Confidence is pretty low at the moment mostly as I seem to have dropped in stakes rather than moved up.

          Still my redline is terrible and my BB win rate is terrible. Only my SB win rate improved over the last 6 months, every other situation dropped.

          This is because I am in way more pots now than I was 6 months ago and my postflop play is terrible.

          I will need to improve this to move up though so it is, hopefully, better that I get into these postflop situations and learn rather than avoiding them altogether.

          I have not had much coaching over the last couple of months (for good reasons) but hopefully once June arrives we will get back into it and get my game moving forward.

          Net profit (week) = +$5.62
          Rakeback (week) = +$10.00

          Total Profit (week) = +$15.62

          500 day challenge total profit = +$31.95

          Current Bankroll = $1048.75

          At least it is some positive numbers eh amigos!

          Have a great weekend!

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          H1. Standard and nothing to worry abt this. Shove flop much better then call.
          H2. Raise/shove the rest of your stack cuz you can rep missed draw and she gonna call you with any Ax
          TY ty ty!

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          Hey again Chris.
          Look, i think you've been getting caught up in the same fuss most people get.
          "Trying to play way to advance for their skillset"
          Meaning they try and play 25/19/9 and have no idea how to proceed postflop.
          My best advice to you, if you want to make money. While its still possible in poker( say 2-4 years ).
          Is to go down and play a much much tighter range, and just chase the fish. Expand your ranges when facing fish but tighten up ALOT when facing regs.
          Theres plenty of fish at NL10z, i mean hello so just relax and let them donate.
          Dont get caught up trying to shoot 3 pointers all the time when ur tall enough to just dunk.
          GO EASY GL
          Ty mate, fair advice!


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          AQs is fine

          QTs river sizing is bad and just leaving money at the table, let's pretend that we were 300bb deep this should've been a much bigger raise than $5, so it's an easy jam with 100bb stacks. Default should be like 9-ish imo with the current river potsize plus facing this betsize.
          TY PL, that is a good way to think about it, appreciate it.
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          Old 05-19-2017, 04:16 PM   #2583
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          nice work dude keep at it. imo u started far behind the curve imo, but you're slowly catching up in the metacognitive area and ur poker skills even faster.

          goes to show that hard work pays off
          Stop giving false hope. This thread is a train-wreck. How has hard work payed off here? He's still meh at bottom micro's in 5 years.
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          Old 05-22-2017, 11:12 AM   #2584
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          ​Hi guys!

          That was some weekend!

          Had a stag party on Saturday night and although it was nothing special the alcohol consumption was well over the top!!!

          Resulted in a wasted Sunday!

          Looking forward to the wedding next Sunday. #notdrinking

          I played a couple of sessions over the weekend...

          Saturday



          Sunday



          ​So yeah, more break even shenanigans. Which is actually better than the whole story for May...

          May graph so far



          Gross. I shouldn't even be playing 10nlz never mind getting my ass kicked!!!

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          40000 HANDS IN MAY

          This challenge will be ended today as I am going to be working late all week this week. Something came up totally unexpected so I don't know whether I will play any hands at all!

          I will still be able to a little bit of study though but not much.

          I was at 24739 hands with 21 of 31 days gone (67.7%) so I was 2357 hands behind. #feeble

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          Have a good week amigos! I will pop in if something awesome happens!

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          Stop giving false hope. This thread is a train-wreck. How has hard work payed off here? He's still meh at bottom micro's in 5 years.
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          Old 05-22-2017, 04:59 PM   #2585
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          Re: WARNING!!! Turning pro is HARD ****ING WORK!! And you will see this ITT...

          You said it yourself, but its incredibly obvious that you struggle postflop. Which is kinda strange considering you have experience playing & winning @ HU.

          Your redline tanks constantly which suggests you constantly get blown off pots when you dont hit big, regardless of opponent. This should only really be happening if you're playing against a lot of maniacs.

          Skimming through these pages & saw a few videos you've posted of hands, & was surprised how lost you sounded tbh. You painstakingly assigned villain's a range & calculated your resulting equity, but then had no idea how to go about playing your hand. These numbers are kinda useless unless you have plan for the hand.

          Another hand I just saw from way back... the flop got checked through multiway when you had AQ on Q88 or something. Villain bet blank turn, you called, but ended up folding the river. This is worrying because it's a simple game theory mistake that even most beginners wouldnt make...you should know that having underepped your hand like this, you now have to call.

          Watch any training video or any good player play, & they all follow a though process:

          "I'm betting to get called by X, or to fold out Y, or to represent Z".
          "I'm checking to make my hand look like...".
          "When he calls he probably has...so I should continue betting on these cards.... or bluff catch this river,etc".

          They also have a strategy for the hand. Eg)) "If I raise KJ UTG & he calls out of the BB, & the board comes 228 then I plan to double/triple barrel because I can represent overpairs & his range is capped at weak/middle pairs".
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          Old Yesterday, 02:46 PM   #2586
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          You said it yourself, but its incredibly obvious that you struggle postflop. Which is kinda strange considering you have experience playing & winning @ HU.

          Your redline tanks constantly which suggests you constantly get blown off pots when you dont hit big, regardless of opponent. This should only really be happening if you're playing against a lot of maniacs.

          Skimming through these pages & saw a few videos you've posted of hands, & was surprised how lost you sounded tbh. You painstakingly assigned villain's a range & calculated your resulting equity, but then had no idea how to go about playing your hand. These numbers are kinda useless unless you have plan for the hand.

          Another hand I just saw from way back... the flop got checked through multiway when you had AQ on Q88 or something. Villain bet blank turn, you called, but ended up folding the river. This is worrying because it's a simple game theory mistake that even most beginners wouldnt make...you should know that having underepped your hand like this, you now have to call.

          Watch any training video or any good player play, & they all follow a though process:

          "I'm betting to get called by X, or to fold out Y, or to represent Z".
          "I'm checking to make my hand look like...".
          "When he calls he probably has...so I should continue betting on these cards.... or bluff catch this river,etc".

          They also have a strategy for the hand. Eg)) "If I raise KJ UTG & he calls out of the BB, & the board comes 228 then I plan to double/triple barrel because I can represent overpairs & his range is capped at weak/middle pairs".
          Thank you for this post.

          You are exactly correct. I will be working on all the things you mentioned here and appreciate you pointing out these huge leaks to me.
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