Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC

02-21-2017 , 02:52 AM
This will be my 3rd PGC thread. To everyone who has followed before, thank you for your continued support. For all of the newcomers, welcome and I hope you can find something in this thread that can help you out.

My first thread can be found here:



I'd say it's the better and more well-received on the 2 threads. I was bound and determined to turn my downswing around, and I did, right before everyone's eyes, detailing every step along the way

My next thread was here:



And while it was interesting and I think I was able to provide some content, I don't think it served much of a point. Primarily, I think what it made it so uninteresting was the clear lack of a goal. Even when I was winning, nobody wants to read a brag thread where everything is going right. Nor is there much interesting to talk about when things are looking up.

People need some drama, action, struggle, content, or at least some kind of incentive to keep them reading and engaged as a community.

Alas, I've been doing a lot of thinking about where I wanted to head with my next thread, my interaction with the community, what I wanted to accomplish with my extra time outside of playing , and what my goals within poker were (both short/long term). After many hours of pondering how I could align these in a synergistic way, I came up with a crazy plan that I will experiment with using this thread, and it will require the interaction of all of YOU reading this

PGC has long been my favorite community on TwoPlusTwo. It's one of the few "communities" that seems to have not totally stagnated within this site. There's an abundance of helpful posts from poker players of all levels, and wide audiences following people on their journey. It is the best place to find motivation, or realize that your situation or current misfortune isn't unique. It is a good equalizer and helps keep a level head.

Having a thread gives you many benefits. It is a good place to vent, post results, or answer questions. It is also a great place to network and meet like-minded people. So in thinking where to head with this thread, my goal was to incentivize involvement to increase these benefits for all parties involved (me, thread contribuors, and the pgc community as a whole). I am a firm believer in creating value in your transactions

So here is what I plan to do, let me know what you think

Each Sunday/Monday night, I will post 15-20 HHs that I had from the week before. They will either be close spots, spots I don't know what to do, or general questions that I might have. I will post my own thoughts along with the hands as well.

I will accept responses/discussion in the thread until the following Sunday morning. I encourage everyone to post and help in any way you can. You can choose to answer/not answer any of the questions you want to. This will all be publicly in the thread for everyone to read. You can be honest, troll, or even give bad responses, that's really up to you and how you want to spend your time.

I'm really hoping to get quality responses though, and that's why I will be offering a weekly bounty for the top contributor. This is entirely subjective and my choice of who I feel has helped me the most. You'll have to trust that I will make an unbiased decision. My intention is to reward people for quality responses and build a community within this small sub-forum where information can be exchanged. With this setup, it benefits me to have a thread, directly rewards the contributors, and brings greater exposure to my thread from the information presented. I think using thread freerolls are a pretty lousy way to drive incentives and I want to try something new.

So my plan for the weekly incentive bonus for the top contributor is this. I will freeroll the top contributor x% of my Sunday action (<$500 games as those are the only ones I play entirely on my own) that will be announced ahead of time. I plan to give away at least 5% of my profit each week, and for any weeks I don't profit, to donate $150 to a charity of the winner's choice. If I do profit, you will be given the 5% or profit without stipulation (though certainly feel free to give it to charity as well, I'd love to turn this into an effective way to raise funds, but I realize not everyone's priorities are aligned that way). In the event I don't profit for that session though, the $150 can only be used as a charitable donation. If I profit, but it is less than $3000, you can choose to either take your cash, or have $150 donated. I feel this gives everyone some kind of decent hourly for wanting to post. If at anytime, I feel the idea isn't working out or the parties aren't getting enough from it, I will discontinue the idea (but never after having posted a round of questions with an offer).

To take a closer look at how this works, I will use yesterday's session as an example

In games $500 and under, I put in:

155 games
$67~ average buyin
$10400 buyins
$24332.50 in cashes
$13935.5 profit

Yesterday's top contributor would have received: $13935.5 (.05) = $696.62 for answering some questions in my thread, with a minimum of $150 going to a charity of their choice had I not made money by winning my last table:

Spoiler:



Given that I will be playing the LAPC Main Event this weekend and skipping Sunday, and would like to give the thread sometime to get on its feet. I will be offering a special bonus to get the ball rolling. I will post hands this week, since I used my Monday night to start this thread, and allow responses through the end of Saturday March 4th EST. The top contributor will receive a 10% freeroll of my Sunday profit March 5th (<$500 games), or $300 to a charity of their choice if I am unable to turn a profit

Looking forward to gathering all of the hands, my thoughts, and reading all of the responses. I'm excited for another year of poker, improvement and optimization.

Don't be shy, subscribe, be sure to post, become involved, improve, engage, enact, give, study, laugh, grind, win
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC Quote
02-21-2017 , 03:28 AM
Forst
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC Quote
02-21-2017 , 04:46 AM
Here are the hands for the week:

By the way, I'm not sure what the best way to post the hands should be. Should I post full converted HHs in the thread, or link to an outside source like weaktight? Thanks for any feedback. I just want to make it easy to view and interact within the thread.


Hand 1:

PokerStars - 40/80 Ante 10 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 52.86 BB (VPIP: 37.31, PFR: 27.48, 3Bet Preflop: 21.82, Hands: 135)
UTG+1: 51.9 BB (VPIP: 24.18, PFR: 19.78, 3Bet Preflop: 7.59, Hands: 183)
MP: 68.45 BB (VPIP: 22.47, PFR: 15.07, 3Bet Preflop: 7.30, Hands: 1,872)
MP+1: 59.99 BB (VPIP: 23.14, PFR: 16.15, 3Bet Preflop: 5.69, Hands: 503)
Hero (CO): 97.24 BB
BTN: 62.06 BB (VPIP: 16.68, PFR: 11.58, 3Bet Preflop: 5.31, Hands: 930)
SB: 101.2 BB (VPIP: 16.38, PFR: 11.28, 3Bet Preflop: 5.44, Hands: 350)
BB: 35.2 BB (VPIP: 30.91, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 13.04, Hands: 56)

8 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has J J

fold, UTG+1 raises to 2.25 BB, fold, MP+1 calls 2.25 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, SB raises to 20.31 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 11.31 BB

Flop: (47.13 BB, 2 players) 6 8 9
SB bets 16.56 BB, fold

SB wins 47.13 BB

Preflop we make a standard squeeze and get 4b by a TAG reg. I feel due to odds we have to continue pre with our pairs, and and most suited hands we squeeze (AQss/AKss). Is this correct? These spots are always tough for me since people are rarely getting out of line. Then when the flop comes, what is our plan? When he bets flop, turn is < 1:! SPR. I could see peeling deeper as I'm able to do a lot of things with Jacks and my club on later streets, but being so effectively shallow, is it fine to just fold?


Hand #2


888 Poker - 500/1000 Ante 125 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 45.22 BB (VPIP: 22.50, PFR: 12.17, 3Bet Preflop: 5.13, Hands: 121)
SB: 14.76 BB (VPIP: 16.25, PFR: 10.86, 3Bet Preflop: 2.70, Hands: 363)
BB: 23.73 BB (VPIP: 20.62, PFR: 16.75, 3Bet Preflop: 12.42, Hands: 427)
UTG: 9.87 BB (VPIP: 25.71, PFR: 21.21, 3Bet Preflop: 22.22, Hands: 35)
UTG+1: 4.82 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 15.22, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 48)
Hero (MP): 63.39 BB
MP+1: 35.1 BB (VPIP: 12.94, PFR: 11.00, 3Bet Preflop: 7.32, Hands: 201)
MP+2: 43.4 BB (VPIP: 11.76, PFR: 2.94, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
CO: 5.4 BB (VPIP: 10.14, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 69)

9 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.63 BB) Hero has 7 8

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.2 BB, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 2.2 BB, fold, BB calls 1.2 BB

Flop: (8.23 BB, 3 players) 6 9 K
BB checks, Hero bets 4.11 BB, BTN calls 4.11 BB, fold

Turn: (16.45 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero bets 8.22 BB, BTN calls 8.22 BB

River: (32.9 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero bets 48.73 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 30.56 BB and is all-in

BTN shows T J (Straight, King High)
(Pre 63%, Flop 57%, Turn 23%)
Hero shows 7 8 (One Pair, Sevens)
(Pre 37%, Flop 43%, Turn 77%)
BTN wins 94.01 BB

Sometimes I am pretty uncertain in regards to my hand selection for triple barreling. Here I improve my draw to a pair on the turn, but still feel bet is way better than check. The river comes completing all of my draws and made hands outside of A5cc and maybe A8cc (not sure if I should bet or c/shove a8cc). At the same time, I feel like the river really strengthens his range as well. I will still have sets, QK, TJ and possibly t8ss though and I think I need to bluff, but wanted to make sure. This is probably a very easy hand



Hand 3:

PokerStars - 25/50 Ante 6 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 109.6 BB (VPIP: 15.94, PFR: 11.68, 3Bet Preflop: 8.39, Hands: 669)
SB: 84.84 BB (VPIP: 56.25, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
BB: 102.82 BB (VPIP: 17.51, PFR: 14.25, 3Bet Preflop: 7.94, Hands: 458)
UTG: 74.8 BB (VPIP: 17.67, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 5.45, Hands: 482)
UTG+1: 99.96 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
Hero (MP): 98.08 BB
MP+1: 89.3 BB (VPIP: 24.34, PFR: 17.59, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 613)
MP+2: 117.08 BB (VPIP: 30.58, PFR: 21.67, 3Bet Preflop: 6.38, Hands: 122)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 29.55, PFR: 13.77, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 265)

9 players post ante of 0.12 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.58 BB) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 2.5 BB, fold, SB calls 2 BB, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (11.08 BB, 4 players) 8 6 3
SB bets 5.54 BB, fold, Hero raises to 15.5 BB, fold, SB calls 9.96 BB

Turn: (42.08 BB, 2 players) 4
SB checks, Hero bets 28 BB, SB calls 28 BB

River: (98.08 BB, 2 players) 8
SB bets 38.72 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 38.72 BB

SB shows 8 9 (Three of a Kind, Eights)
(Pre 22%, Flop 52%, Turn 32%)
Hero shows Q Q (Two Pair, Queens and Eights)
(Pre 78%, Flop 48%, Turn 68%)
SB wins 175.52 BB

This was a pretty wild one. I get led into on a 4 way flop by the big blind on a low board and elect to raise my overpair which I think is standard. I continue to barrel turn, and then the top pair pairs on the river. What kind of assumptions would you use here to discern between call or fold?


Hand 4

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 20,000/40,000 NL - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 43.95 BB (VPIP: 25.82, PFR: 19.60, 3Bet Preflop: 11.89, Hands: 1,046)
Hero (SB): 44.55 BB

2 players post ante of 0.1 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.7 BB) Hero has K Q

Hero raises to 2.22 BB, BB calls 1.22 BB

Flop: (4.64 BB, 2 players) 2 K 3
BB checks, Hero bets 1.94 BB, BB raises to 4.59 BB, Hero calls 2.65 BB

Turn: (13.83 BB, 2 players) 6
BB bets 5.96 BB, Hero calls 5.96 BB

River: (25.74 BB, 2 players) J
BB checks, Hero checks

BB shows 9 5 (Flush, King High)
(Pre 34%, Flop 9%, Turn 27%)
Hero shows K Q (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 66%, Flop 91%, Turn 73%)
BB wins 25.74 BB

About 30 minutes into a HU match. Villain has been checkraising more than he should. What are your thoughts on how to continue here? Does it make sense to 3b flop as he wont have many 2p/sets? Or do we prefer to just call as equity wont shift as much on this board and we can keep his weaker range in? I prefer the latter but can see merits for applying pressure with another bet. I think call is clearly my only option on the turn. When we reach the river and the spade hits, how do you want to start picking our bluffs? We will definitely have spades we want to bet for value, and not many worse hands than Kx other than 56 no spade



Hand 5

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 25,000/50,000 NL - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 42.81 BB (VPIP: 26.34, PFR: 19.50, 3Bet Preflop: 11.75, Hands: 1,056)
Hero (SB): 27.99 BB

2 players post ante of 0.1 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.7 BB) Hero has 8 9

Hero calls 0.5 BB, BB checks

Flop: (2.2 BB, 2 players) T J T
BB checks, Hero bets 1 BB, BB raises to 2.26 BB, Hero calls 1.26 BB

Turn: (6.71 BB, 2 players) 2
BB bets 2.77 BB, Hero raises to 8.12 BB, fold

Hero wins 12.24 BB

Here I am HU versus same villain who has shown to be checkrasing pretty wide in our match. He goes for it again and I have the bottom end of my draw to continue to the turn with. Do you think there are merits to shoving our worst high equity draw on flop versus someone who has many more bluffs than Tx? When we reach the turn and face another bet, I felt this way a great raise for bluff as I'm in position and can check back heart rivers, pairing up, bluff unimproved, or shove straights. I also get a good price


Hand 6


PokerStars - 1200/2400 Ante 240 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: 65.54 BB (VPIP: 34.38, PFR: 17.74, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 65)
MP: 21.34 BB (VPIP: 22.87, PFR: 17.10, 3Bet Preflop: 10.85, Hands: 991)
MP+1: 102.22 BB (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 24.07, 3Bet Preflop: 5.13, Hands: 111)
CO: 42.19 BB (VPIP: 20.72, PFR: 12.62, 3Bet Preflop: 7.59, Hands: 335)
BTN: 24.76 BB (VPIP: 13.85, PFR: 8.66, 3Bet Preflop: 2.04, Hands: 130)
SB: 19.31 BB (VPIP: 21.78, PFR: 18.32, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 203)
Hero (BB): 26.96 BB
UTG: 20.33 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 4)

8 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.3 BB) Hero has J 9

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (5.3 BB, 2 players) 8 9 8
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

Turn: (11.3 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 6 BB, fold

MP+1 wins 11.3 BB


Maybe this is another simple one. I defend and face a turn barrel after flop cbet. My J blocks some of his draws, and SPR is low. I often times always called here and found myself lost on rivers. I've definitely found myself playing tighter on the turn in general, since it is so often followed up by a third street of aggression versus capable players. Sometimes I feel like I'm just getting run over in these spots, but it could be a slight recall bias. Anyways, what does your turn continuing range look like here (both check/call and check/jam if you have one)

Hand 7

PokerStars - 1400/2800 Ante 350 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 33.78 BB (VPIP: 18.45, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 7.50, Hands: 104)
BB: 40.7 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
UTG: 49.49 BB (VPIP: 22.12, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 114)
Hero (MP): 46.62 BB
CO: 24.11 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 55)
BTN: 66.84 BB (VPIP: 21.64, PFR: 16.01, 3Bet Preflop: 6.76, Hands: 347)

6 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.25 BB) Hero has T T

fold, Hero raises to 2.2 BB, fold, BTN calls 2.2 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (6.65 BB, 2 players) Q Q J
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (6.65 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, BTN bets 3.99 BB, Hero calls 3.99 BB

River: (14.63 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BTN bets 8.78 BB, Hero raises to 40.31 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 32.19 BB

This was f2t of a small tournament versus a pretty capable Spin reg. I'm pretty sure TT is the only hand I bluff here, but do we think it's necessary to have a bluffing range at all as my value range doesnt really make a lot of sense. Even if I'm checking AA on flop, I'd have certainly bet it by the turn. I guess I can have some QJ and maybe AQ type hands but I don't know how often people expect you to check those 2x and fold a real hand later

Hand 8

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 1,750/3,500 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 21.65 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
CO: 111.5 BB (VPIP: 22.69, PFR: 18.56, 3Bet Preflop: 12.10, Hands: 405)
BTN: 21.87 BB (VPIP: 19.82, PFR: 14.35, 3Bet Preflop: 7.56, Hands: 446)
SB: 21.45 BB (VPIP: 20.58, PFR: 16.77, 3Bet Preflop: 7.61, Hands: 1,221)
Hero (BB): 38.83 BB

5 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2 BB) Hero has 7 3

UTG raises to 2.19 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1.19 BB

Flop: (5.39 BB, 2 players) 5 7 2
Hero checks, UTG bets 1.8 BB, Hero calls 1.8 BB

Turn: (8.98 BB, 2 players) K
Hero checks, UTG bets 5.05 BB, Hero calls 5.05 BB

River: (19.08 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, UTG bets 12.51 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 12.51 BB

UTG shows J K (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 62%, Flop 20%, Turn 68%)
Hero shows 7 3 (One Pair, Sevens)
(Pre 38%, Flop 80%, Turn 32%)
UTG wins 44.11 BB

f2t of a 6max tournament with 10 left. I generally hate these close bluffcatcher spots, and really find myself guessing on rivers. how would you construct your call down range?

Hand 9


PokerStars - 3000/6000 Ante 600 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 46.87 BB (VPIP: 14.71, PFR: 12.90, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)
BB: 20.91 BB (VPIP: 20.41, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 49)
UTG: 30.9 BB (VPIP: 19.02, PFR: 13.50, 3Bet Preflop: 7.00, Hands: 990)
Hero (UTG+1): 56.11 BB
MP: 38.78 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
MP+1: 41.15 BB (VPIP: 18.22, PFR: 13.03, 3Bet Preflop: 4.33, Hands: 543)
CO: 15.22 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 13.70, 3Bet Preflop: 7.94, Hands: 155)
BTN: 16.83 BB (VPIP: 23.27, PFR: 15.51, 3Bet Preflop: 8.80, Hands: 512)

8 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.3 BB) Hero has K 2

fold, Hero raises to 2.2 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 1.7 BB, fold

Flop: (6.2 BB, 2 players) A 4 3
SB checks, Hero bets 2.5 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB

Turn: (11.2 BB, 2 players) 6
SB checks, Hero bets 8.29 BB, SB calls 8.29 BB

River: (27.78 BB, 2 players) 9
SB checks, Hero bets 43.02 BB and is all-in, SB calls 33.78 BB and is all-in

Hero shows K 2 (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 37%, Flop 41%, Turn 25%)
SB shows A Q (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 63%, Flop 59%, Turn 75%)
SB wins 95.34 BB

This was 3 from ITM in the $700 PKO where I have villain covered. I normally don't open this wide, but I think given the bubble, and the fact people won't reshove light or call as much given I have a lot of incentive to bust them makes it fine to open. On the flop I really discount his range of 44/33 a4/a3 and think by the river he is pretty capped to just one pair hands with some occasional sets. It seemed like a slamdunk shove at the time, but wanted to make sure

Hand 10:

PokerStars - 1800/3600 Ante 360 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+2: 21.59 BB (VPIP: 18.78, PFR: 11.28, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 475)
CO: 19.16 BB (VPIP: 15.79, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 38)
BTN: 23.98 BB (VPIP: 20.40, PFR: 13.91, 3Bet Preflop: 8.53, Hands: 506)
SB: 40.45 BB (VPIP: 25.49, PFR: 18.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 51)
BB: 40.86 BB (VPIP: 24.56, PFR: 14.99, 3Bet Preflop: 6.73, Hands: 569)
UTG: 18.57 BB (VPIP: 21.70, PFR: 15.76, 3Bet Preflop: 8.42, Hands: 212)
Hero (UTG+1): 60.73 BB
MP: 31.57 BB (VPIP: 22.59, PFR: 15.09, 3Bet Preflop: 8.47, Hands: 427)
MP+1: 15 BB (VPIP: 25.66, PFR: 17.64, 3Bet Preflop: 7.95, Hands: 1,106)

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has K Q

fold, Hero raises to 2.2 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 1.7 BB, BB calls 1.2 BB

Flop: (7.5 BB, 3 players) 2 K 3
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 3.5 BB, fold, BB calls 3.5 BB

Turn: (14.5 BB, 2 players) 3
BB bets 6.16 BB, Hero calls 6.16 BB

River: (26.82 BB, 2 players) 7
BB bets 28.9 BB and is all-in, fold

BB wins 26.82 BB


Another hand from earlier in the 700pko. Villain is a top reg IMO, very capable and creative. I think he will lead some, but not all of his range on this turn card as it pairs the middle card. Though I don't think he has tons of 3x in his PF range, he certainly has some. Now it is trying to decipher what his river shoving range will be and how he will pick his bluffs. That is where I need your help. If he leads a hand like A4 I am certain he'd shove as a bluff, same goes for any 45 and 56 (assuming he doesnt c/r). But I really don't know how often he will float a hand like ATss (maybe never since I cbet 3 ways?), lead turn as a bluff, and decide to shove river as a bluff. He reps a very narrow range but really puts me in the cage. Maybe I am out of touch with how often people bluff here, as I folded one of my best hands. It doesn't seem like all that bad of a spot to take our floats and lead/shove them if I don't even know what I'd call with. Even if I have AK, does he ever do this with worse for value? Where do you draw the line for calling? Any thoughts appreciated


Hand 11

PokerStars - 30/60 Ante 8 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: 91.02 BB (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 13.66, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 211)
MP: 82.82 BB (VPIP: 25.29, PFR: 16.97, 3Bet Preflop: 12.05, Hands: 171)
MP+1: 62.23 BB (VPIP: 22.47, PFR: 15.63, 3Bet Preflop: 7.37, Hands: 460)
CO: 88.63 BB (VPIP: 21.23, PFR: 16.04, 3Bet Preflop: 12.68, Hands: 1,131)
BTN: 127.22 BB (VPIP: 18.52, PFR: 12.15, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 108)
SB: 72.25 BB (VPIP: 21.42, PFR: 15.73, 3Bet Preflop: 6.70, Hands: 1,120)
Hero (BB): 76.58 BB
UTG: 152.77 BB (VPIP: 19.39, PFR: 10.55, 3Bet Preflop: 7.77, Hands: 497)

8 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.57 BB) Hero has A Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, BTN raises to 20 BB, fold, Hero raises to 76.45 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 56.45 BB

Flop: (156.97 BB, 2 players) 3 9 K

Turn: (156.97 BB, 2 players) 2

River: (156.97 BB, 2 players) Q

Hero shows A Q (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 7%, Flop 2%, Turn 0%)
BTN shows A A (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 93%, Flop 98%, Turn 100%)
BTN wins 156.97 BB


I have to say, I feel like I monkey this spot in more than I should. I squeeze versus BTN open and SB flat like a hand like AQ and face a 4bet. How do you perceive these 4bets in general? What reasons would you use to build your 5b bluff range, 5b value range, as well as flat range


Hand 12

PokerStars - 300/600 Ante 60 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 12.03 BB (VPIP: 23.50, PFR: 14.09, 3Bet Preflop: 5.19, Hands: 1,474)
Hero (BTN): 102.69 BB
SB: 141.45 BB (VPIP: 19.72, PFR: 14.71, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 71)
BB: 108.16 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 8.57, Hands: 153)
UTG: 32.75 BB (VPIP: 24.93, PFR: 15.41, 3Bet Preflop: 8.71, Hands: 762)
UTG+1: 32.65 BB (VPIP: 11.98, PFR: 10.80, 3Bet Preflop: 9.30, Hands: 192)
MP: 73.29 BB (VPIP: 20.76, PFR: 13.32, 3Bet Preflop: 6.49, Hands: 663)
MP+1: 67.03 BB (VPIP: 22.08, PFR: 16.22, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 956)
MP+2: 101.81 BB (VPIP: 19.00, PFR: 13.36, 3Bet Preflop: 8.04, Hands: 503)

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has T A

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.2 BB, SB calls 1.7 BB, fold

Flop: (6.3 BB, 2 players) Q 2 T
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (6.3 BB, 2 players) 2
SB bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

River: (14.3 BB, 2 players) J
SB bets 9.33 BB, Hero raises to 33.73 BB, fold

Hero wins 32.97 BB


Picking bluffs. A very smart and capable HS reg flats my BTN open from SB, which I feel really caps him moreso than most people given the way he's played SB in my sample over the years. Do we want to continue turn with all of our Tx here, or only KT/AT/t9? River seems like our best bluff and probably a spot we should bluff more than usual since he has no 2x, no boats, and no AK. How wide do you guys like to raise here? I really don't like his river bet, but thats another story

Hand 13

PokerStars - 25/50 Ante 6 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 105.96 BB (VPIP: 22.73, PFR: 15.61, 3Bet Preflop: 5.06, Hands: 199)
BB: 97.14 BB (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 12.84, 3Bet Preflop: 6.49, Hands: 301)
UTG: 91.08 BB (VPIP: 22.07, PFR: 15.33, 3Bet Preflop: 10.29, Hands: 427)
UTG+1: 113.84 BB (VPIP: 18.60, PFR: 13.58, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 86)
MP: 105.24 BB (VPIP: 13.79, PFR: 6.90, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
MP+1: 78.64 BB (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 12.84, 3Bet Preflop: 6.42, Hands: 531)
Hero (MP+2): 99.88 BB
CO: 105.88 BB (VPIP: 25.97, PFR: 17.33, 3Bet Preflop: 14.63, Hands: 77)
BTN: 103.86 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)

9 players post ante of 0.12 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.58 BB) Hero has A 8

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (6.58 BB, 2 players) T J 3
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (6.58 BB, 2 players) Q
BB bets 3.3 BB, Hero calls 3.3 BB

River: (13.18 BB, 2 players) J
BB bets 6.6 BB, Hero raises to 26.12 BB, BB calls 19.52 BB

Hero shows A 8 (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 59%, Flop 66%, Turn 23%)
BB shows Q K (Two Pair, Queens and Jacks)
(Pre 41%, Flop 34%, Turn 77%)
BB wins 65.42 BB

Another hand where someone's river bet doesn't really make sense and we decide to go for it. I think T9 and KT would obviously be better, but do you think we can get away with bluffing more than usual here?


Hand 14

PokerStars - 25/50 Ante 5 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 206.1 BB
SB: 182.5 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
BB: 236.5 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
UTG: 213.9 BB (VPIP: 21.81, PFR: 14.89, 3Bet Preflop: 6.88, Hands: 866)
UTG+1: 180.84 BB (VPIP: 16.39, PFR: 12.07, 3Bet Preflop: 5.94, Hands: 244)
MP: 215.66 BB (VPIP: 21.49, PFR: 13.40, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 338)
MP+1: 167.3 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
CO: 192 BB (VPIP: 21.66, PFR: 13.25, 3Bet Preflop: 5.93, Hands: 318)

8 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.3 BB) Hero has K A

fold, fold, MP raises to 2.5 BB, fold, CO raises to 8 BB, Hero raises to 22.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 14.5 BB

Flop: (49.8 BB, 2 players) 5 6 5
CO checks, Hero bets 22.22 BB, CO calls 22.22 BB

Turn: (94.24 BB, 2 players) 7
CO checks, Hero checks

River: (94.24 BB, 2 players) 9
CO checks, Hero bets 161.28 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 94.24 BB


I admit, I'm not very good with these 200bb spots. This was from mini ST versus a pretty decent 2p2er. I feel both 4b and overflat pre are good, but it seems nice to deny equity versus 2 people and use my hand as a "bluff" by 4betting. Flop I also feel unsure, but I think after my action pre, this is my only "bluff" and he's unlikely to raise, and I'm able to realize my equity versus his JJ/QQ without issue (plus I'm able to check back turns). Turn was a brick and I decided to just give up unimproved. River brought 4 to a straight and flush. I don't think either of us have any boats or straights in our range. When I have the As, it is impossible for him to have flushes, while I could have at least 1 (though AKss might be a good overflat). I really just played this in a vacuum though, not thinking much about how I'd construct my range for value throughout the hand (KK/AA/AKss/Maybe a5ss, but doubt it). Though I'm sure he thinks I probably have more 78ss/89ss type hands than I do (some versus none)

Hand 15

PokerStars - 20/40 Ante 5 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 114.03 BB (VPIP: 34.65, PFR: 23.02, 3Bet Preflop: 12.00, Hands: 127)
CO: 74.6 BB (VPIP: 28.88, PFR: 17.93, 3Bet Preflop: 6.88, Hands: 381)
Hero (BTN): 72.48 BB
SB: 79.13 BB (VPIP: 25.54, PFR: 15.08, 3Bet Preflop: 6.51, Hands: 369)
BB: 73.13 BB (VPIP: 24.79, PFR: 19.82, 3Bet Preflop: 14.61, Hands: 235)

5 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.13 BB) Hero has A Q

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 6 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 4 BB

Flop: (14.13 BB, 2 players) A T 7
UTG checks, Hero bets 6.5 BB, UTG raises to 13 BB, Hero calls 6.5 BB

Turn: (40.13 BB, 2 players) 6
UTG bets 11 BB, Hero calls 11 BB

River: (62.13 BB, 2 players) A
UTG bets 83.9 BB and is all-in, fold

UTG wins 62.13 BB


Villain is a another reg who is decent at poker IMO. I thought this was a pretty tricky spot but maybe i'm overcomplicating things. To be honest I'm really unsure about how to construct my continuing ranges on every street. Turn price feels so damn good...But do people ever bluff like this?

Hand 16

PokerStars - 250/500 Ante 60 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 25.5 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 3.85, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
BTN: 16.02 BB (VPIP: 17.76, PFR: 11.37, 3Bet Preflop: 3.53, Hands: 216)
SB: 28.55 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BB: 18.14 BB (VPIP: 19.73, PFR: 12.44, 3Bet Preflop: 5.20, Hands: 1,021)
UTG: 34.64 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 14)
UTG+1: 10.2 BB (VPIP: 21.11, PFR: 13.29, 3Bet Preflop: 3.95, Hands: 180)
Hero (MP): 31.95 BB
MP+1: 44.8 BB (VPIP: 48.91, PFR: 26.97, 3Bet Preflop: 10.81, Hands: 93)
MP+2: 22.5 BB (VPIP: 12.70, PFR: 4.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 126)

9 players post ante of 0.12 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.58 BB) Hero has 6 A

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.2 BB, MP+1 calls 2.2 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (6.98 BB, 2 players) J 4 8
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

Turn: (12.98 BB, 2 players) T
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

River: (18.98 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, MP+1 checks

Hero shows 6 A (One Pair, Sixes)
(Pre 59%, Flop 78%, Turn 27%)
MP+1 shows Q T (One Pair, Tens)
(Pre 42%, Flop 22%, Turn 73%)
MP+1 wins 18.98 BB


Here my question is how do we like to play flop versus someone overly peely on a weird'ish SPR. I was torn between bet/barrel, or check/call or check raise. I feel like I played the hand pretty passive and let him realize equity, and I could have checkraised as PFR very effectively on these stacks. Still I was given a pretty good price on each street, but want to know what you guys consider best.

Hand 17

PokerStars - 100/200 Ante 20 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 140.9 BB (VPIP: 24.67, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 7.01, Hands: 542)
Hero (BB): 116.64 BB
UTG: 130.81 BB (VPIP: 22.72, PFR: 17.68, 3Bet Preflop: 11.63, Hands: 430)
UTG+1: 126.27 BB (VPIP: 21.56, PFR: 14.37, 3Bet Preflop: 9.47, Hands: 543)
MP: 138.37 BB (VPIP: 24.89, PFR: 16.63, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 443)
MP+1: 273.97 BB (VPIP: 16.59, PFR: 12.09, 3Bet Preflop: 6.57, Hands: 466)
CO: 108.67 BB (VPIP: 17.07, PFR: 13.16, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 41)
BTN: 87.3 BB (VPIP: 23.19, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 2.50, Hands: 278)

8 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.3 BB) Hero has 7 A

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (5.3 BB, 2 players) 4 3 2
Hero checks, MP+1 checks

Turn: (5.3 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero bets 4 BB, MP+1 raises to 17.3 BB, Hero calls 13.3 BB

River: (39.9 BB, 2 players) K
Hero checks, MP+1 checks

Hero shows 7 A (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 58%, Flop 79%, Turn 32%)
MP+1 shows K Q (Two Pair, Kings and Queens)
(Pre 42%, Flop 21%, Turn 68%)
MP+1 wins 39.9 BB


Pretty interesting spot versus a decent mid reg in the ST. I definitely don't want to be leading all of my bare AdXx hands on the turn. But I think Ad7x is particularly good as bluffs maybe Ad7x one of my better leading combos as less overcards to improve on if I check call. I can c/r Ad6x as I can make better straights, maybe lead Ad8x. I really just wanted to shove it in his face as he never has the nuts or a hand he can call with. Think I just got a little gunshy as it was a bigger buyin. But if I'm going to lead the turn with both NFs and NFDs some of the time (as well as check/calling them and maybe c/r a combo as well), I should be able to rep the NF credibly here. Plus him being in position gives him the opportunity to check back exactly like he did not allowing me to c/r river. I'm pretty sure I butchered this one, so advice is appreciated!

Hand 18: (Sorry only had this on Skype, and can't convert it, it will be the last one though)

Hand History for Game 15826927447
NL Texas Hold'em $215 USD Buy-in Trny:134498508 Level:17 Blinds-Antes(4,000/8,000 -800) - Sunday, January 22, 17:22:51 PST 2017
Table Powerfest #016 - $300,000 Gtd (134498508) Table #82 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 8/9
Seat 4: Algorhytm ( 322,248 )
Seat 7: Aspartam1967 ( 568,760 )
Seat 3: BamBamPoGubam ( 237,933 )
Seat 1: Jeff7010 ( 123,735 )
Seat 5: KrillleR ( 279,211 )
Seat 9: TJXOLOSFAN1 ( 348,962 )
Seat 6: TanteErch ( 287,172 )
Seat 8: jayser1337 ( 44,987 )
Trny:134498508 Level:17
Blinds-Antes(4,000/8,000 -800)
Jeff7010 posts ante [800]
BamBamPoGubam posts ante [800]
Algorhytm posts ante [800]
KrillleR posts ante [800]
TanteErch posts ante [800]
Aspartam1967 posts ante [800]
jayser1337 posts ante [800]
TJXOLOSFAN1 posts ante [800]
jayser1337 posts small blind [4,000].
TJXOLOSFAN1 posts big blind [8,000].
Dealing down cards
Dealt to TJXOLOSFAN1 [ 6s 5s ]
Jeff7010 folds
BamBamPoGubam folds
Algorhytm folds
KrillleR folds
TanteErch folds
Aspartam1967 raises [16,000]
jayser1337 folds
TJXOLOSFAN1 calls [8,000]
Dealing Flop [ Js, Ts, 8d ]
TJXOLOSFAN1 checks
Aspartam1967 bets [14,840]
TJXOLOSFAN1 raises [33,333]
Scouts326 has joined the table.
Player Scouts326 has been moved from table 101 to this table
Aspartam1967 calls [18,493]
Dealing Turn [ Tc ]
TJXOLOSFAN1 checks
Aspartam1967 bets [36,000]
Your time bank will be activated in 6 secs. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
TJXOLOSFAN1 raises [99,999]
Aspartam1967 calls [63,999]
Dealing River [ 8h ]
Your time bank will be activated in 6 secs. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
TJXOLOSFAN1 will be using their time bank for this hand.
TJXOLOSFAN1 is all-In [198,830]


Thoughts here? I like the flop c/r, and he makes it so small on the turn and has so few Tx that I feel I want to continue. River seems great for me as well, but maybe I should just be giving up turn? What do you do with your flop c/r range on that turn versus a small bet?



Anyways, I am looking forward to everyone's responses. You can address as many or as few of the hands as you'd like. And you can do so in any way you deem necessary. I will be active and engage if you have further questions. Remember the top prize for responses will be 10% of Sunday March 5th profits. So don't be lazy with your ranges, math work, and solvers! Bring it on
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC Quote
02-21-2017 , 05:33 AM
hey man, nice thread! Last time I played mtts kinda seriously was 2011, so I don't really feel competent to comment on the hands, just wanted to point one (imo) flaw in your logic in hand #4:

Quote:
Does it make sense to 3b flop as he wont have many 2p/sets?
actually, if villian is anywhere near competent in hu, he will have literally all 2 pairs here (with possible exception of 23o, but many players, including me, will peel that as well with the ante), and 2/3 sets, so this flop is NOT the example of btns (big) range advantage, as you both have almost all nutted hands.

The only way this x/r spot changes in your favor is when he starts x/raising top pairs - then 3betting flop might start being resonable. But, assuming you only use one cbet size per spot, this shouldn't be assumed in the vacuum. If you used, say, 1/4 and 3/4 cbets across similar boards throughout the match, then it's more reasonable to think he would be checkraising top pairs versus lower sizing.

Just 2 cents from a hu cash player
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC Quote
02-21-2017 , 06:43 AM
hell yeah, I'm in. Should be good. Will take a look at all the hands later.
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC Quote
02-21-2017 , 09:06 AM
I'll kick off with a few.

Jacks standard squeeze ofcourse. Once we get 4bet by a TAG (who plays 16/11/5) I sometimes just fold as it gets very dicy postflop as well.
In general, population just doesn't bluff this spot often if at all. As played, I don't think we can fold yet vs that size. I think he will shut down a reasonable amount with AK & AQ (if he 4bets that) unimproved & even queens might check. I mean, we are not super capped, and could def flat KK+ pre as well. I guess peel flop and fold most turns vs a shove and proceed to call KK+ something like that.

78s I would start by checking flop, I think it makes the hand much more easy to play and equities will be fairly close between you and button on this board anyway. However, ofcourse don't really hate this combo since you have the backdoor flushdraw as well. I'm not sure about turn and river. Maybe turn is ok to shove on blanks, however don't think this is really a blank and rather feels like a punt now.
I don't think blocking 7x or 8x is very relevant (to the contrary actually, think it's quite bad to block 98s & 78s). I'm not sure what an ideal bluffcombo would be on the river, something with a queen seems fairly good at first sight, however you do have some sd value against some hands then, so might be not necessary to turn them into a bluf. Preferably QJ or QT then I guess. Also think you should use a bigger turn sizing if you bet. Not really a river you are looking to bet thin ofcourse, so should pick bluffs very carefully I guess.

QQ seems fine. River calldown criteria 56/12 player and not blocking spades seems pretty good.

KQ looks fine as well, your hand has heaps of equity vs a lot of his potential blufs, and doesn't really gain a lot from 3betting the flop. Turn you seem to have a very clear call. River i'm not sure, I'm trying to think about it. Depends with what range you end up on river I guess. If you also have 44 and 77-QQ without a spade, can start bluffing those first. Think you have just enough showdown value to check it back, but exploitably might not be the worst river bet either. If I would bet, I would pick rather small'ish size, since I think he's not capped at all, and should check river with a ton of hands here.

J9 I think fairly clear x/r on the flop, even in GTO but definitely vs population. As played, I think i'm calling turns and calling down blank rivers, since I expect population to check back Ax more often (or not bet for that size on flop) even though I realize having a Jack in your hand is pretty meh.

Last edited by LittleGoliath; 02-21-2017 at 09:16 AM.
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC Quote
02-21-2017 , 09:27 AM
Should I post full converted HHs in the thread, or link to an outside source like weaktight?

post a link aswell i hate those converted hands
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC Quote
02-21-2017 , 11:17 AM
in for this. don't play online MTTs anymore but share your enjoyment of the PGC subforums and admire your goals. GL GL!
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC Quote
02-21-2017 , 04:15 PM
in.

i think posting less hands/less per post will be easier for people to give input and easier for people to follow. Hard to see remember what hand is being spoken about and you to scroll though a bunch to find it.

People see a wall of text and HH and skip the post
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC Quote
02-22-2017 , 07:24 AM
subbed
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC Quote
02-22-2017 , 11:26 AM
Snapsub, gl! Will try to contribute some later
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC Quote
02-22-2017 , 12:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tutejszy
hey man, nice thread! Last time I played mtts kinda seriously was 2011, so I don't really feel competent to comment on the hands, just wanted to point one (imo) flaw in your logic in hand #4:



actually, if villian is anywhere near competent in hu, he will have literally all 2 pairs here (with possible exception of 23o, but many players, including me, will peel that as well with the ante), and 2/3 sets, so this flop is NOT the example of btns (big) range advantage, as you both have almost all nutted hands.

The only way this x/r spot changes in your favor is when he starts x/raising top pairs - then 3betting flop might start being resonable. But, assuming you only use one cbet size per spot, this shouldn't be assumed in the vacuum. If you used, say, 1/4 and 3/4 cbets across similar boards throughout the match, then it's more reasonable to think he would be checkraising top pairs versus lower sizing.

Just 2 cents from a hu cash player
Thanks. I obviously get he can have K3/K2, but since I more than minraised and he had folded earlier, that eliminates 23. He's also reshoved 30+bb 2x so far and I feel 22/33 are likely choices. Then I have a K which reduces his 2p combos

Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGoliath
I'll kick off with a few.

Jacks standard squeeze ofcourse. Once we get 4bet by a TAG (who plays 16/11/5) I sometimes just fold as it gets very dicy postflop as well.
In general, population just doesn't bluff this spot often if at all. As played, I don't think we can fold yet vs that size. I think he will shut down a reasonable amount with AK & AQ (if he 4bets that) unimproved & even queens might check. I mean, we are not super capped, and could def flat KK+ pre as well. I guess peel flop and fold most turns vs a shove and proceed to call KK+ something like that.

78s I would start by checking flop, I think it makes the hand much more easy to play and equities will be fairly close between you and button on this board anyway. However, ofcourse don't really hate this combo since you have the backdoor flushdraw as well. I'm not sure about turn and river. Maybe turn is ok to shove on blanks, however don't think this is really a blank and rather feels like a punt now.
I don't think blocking 7x or 8x is very relevant (to the contrary actually, think it's quite bad to block 98s & 78s). I'm not sure what an ideal bluffcombo would be on the river, something with a queen seems fairly good at first sight, however you do have some sd value against some hands then, so might be not necessary to turn them into a bluf. Preferably QJ or QT then I guess. Also think you should use a bigger turn sizing if you bet. Not really a river you are looking to bet thin ofcourse, so should pick bluffs very carefully I guess.

QQ seems fine. River calldown criteria 56/12 player and not blocking spades seems pretty good.

KQ looks fine as well, your hand has heaps of equity vs a lot of his potential blufs, and doesn't really gain a lot from 3betting the flop. Turn you seem to have a very clear call. River i'm not sure, I'm trying to think about it. Depends with what range you end up on river I guess. If you also have 44 and 77-QQ without a spade, can start bluffing those first. Think you have just enough showdown value to check it back, but exploitably might not be the worst river bet either. If I would bet, I would pick rather small'ish size, since I think he's not capped at all, and should check river with a ton of hands here.

J9 I think fairly clear x/r on the flop, even in GTO but definitely vs population. As played, I think i'm calling turns and calling down blank rivers, since I expect population to check back Ax more often (or not bet for that size on flop) even though I realize having a Jack in your hand is pretty meh.
Interesting you'd rather fold pre than on flop with JJ. What do others think?

If I check flop with 78ss, what is your flop betting range?

I might have 44 and 77 in the QK hand, but I definitely don't bet my other pairs, and would never bet any pairs versus this guys flop c/r, but obviously I didnt know that at the time. Yeah I'd like a small bet if I bet as well and I feel I need to be betting some Kx as bluffs as well, maybe not this one, but no clue how to split them other than a randomizer

Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Mick00
in.

i think posting less hands/less per post will be easier for people to give input and easier for people to follow. Hard to see remember what hand is being spoken about and you to scroll though a bunch to find it.

People see a wall of text and HH and skip the post
Agreed. But what can I do? Convert the HHs of 2p2 and put my thoughts in spoilers? I don't want to post fewer hands and be forced to give away less either
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC Quote
02-22-2017 , 12:58 PM
Sub first , read later :-) GL!
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC Quote
02-22-2017 , 12:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lipo Fund

Agreed. But what can I do? Convert the HHs of 2p2 and put my thoughts in spoilers? I don't want to post fewer hands and be forced to give away less either
It might make things a little less unwieldy if you posted each hand in its own individual post rather than having them all together in one long list.

Great thread idea BTW!
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC Quote
02-22-2017 , 02:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sirin
It might make things a little less unwieldy if you posted each hand in its own individual post rather than having them all together in one long list.

Great thread idea BTW!
I was thinking something similar as it makes it easier to then quote the hands you want to react to and keep the chain of information intact?
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC Quote
02-22-2017 , 03:01 PM
Hand1: against his tight range(you assumed hes tag), we have enough equity to call IP pre flop. The flop is good for us, not just because we flop an overpair but mostly because its very wet. This is good because we can assume that villain has a linear(not polarized) c betting range of(JJ+ AX of clubs). Against this range we are doing very poorly and we have an easy lay down. So WP.
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC Quote
02-22-2017 , 03:09 PM
Hand 2: Up to the river I think its fine. On the river i think x folding is best because villain is not capped and we dont block any of villains nutted hands(if we had a J in our hand it would've been a litle better). Also, the river actually improves villains range (KQ and JT come to mind) and we dont even know if hes the kind of player to fold KJ or KT. So I think you spewed a lil' bit. So I would check river and fold once he bet.
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC Quote
02-22-2017 , 03:20 PM
Hand 3: This hand is a classic. Flop and turn are standard against a fish. On the river we have a difficult decision. We know that fish like to donk bet rivers with strong hands. We also know that he might have a missed draw or A6 or something. The point is, fishy players sometimes do stupid stuff, I wouldnt be suprised if he showed up with TT or 6X and we are getting good odds so just call and hate life when we lose.
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC Quote
02-22-2017 , 03:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Mick00
in.

i think posting less hands/less per post will be easier for people to give input and easier for people to follow. Hard to see remember what hand is being spoken about and you to scroll though a bunch to find it.

People see a wall of text and HH and skip the post
+


subbed. gl! was wondering when ull finally make the 2017 thread. always interested to hear about your strategies regarding game selection and all the stuff that come with the grind

interesting idea with the hands/contributors.
what s ur goal/strategy for 2017 though ?

allez!
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC Quote
03-03-2017 , 06:38 AM
Disclaimer 1 : not a good player, not by far, so read text below with critical eye and correct all my mistakes so I can learn from them

Disclaimer 2 : I didn't look at other responses so might be redundant info

Hand 1 : JJ

Pre-flop we have 45% equity vs a 3% 4-bet range (99+, AKs) and have 52% equity vs a 5,3% 4-bet range (88+, AJs+, KQs, AKo - if we presume SB 4-bet range is identical to his 3-bet range). Either way, more than enough vs the 24,5 % needed equity so calling seems perfectly fine.

On the flop, in this situation, we have to assume SB is willing to put all his chips in. So effectively the needed equity is 62%.

vs the 3% range we have 34% equity and vs the 5,3% range we have 48% equity , both not enough to get our chips in on this flop? And if the SB doesn't cbet 100% of his range here (which is likely given the wet board), the situation only gets worse for us? The "best" situation for us is if SB doesn't cbet with his set and KK+. Then our equity vs the 5.3% range jumps to 60%, still just not enough.

Hand 2 : 87s

Pre-flop it's clear what to do when CO pushes (obviously calling his jam every day and twice on sunday), but what if SB pushes?

Besides that, i like the 87s open-raise. If called we prolly going to be OOP post-flop but this hand fullfills it's equity pretty fast so makes it relatively easy to play post-flop?

The flop itself seems fine, semi-dry board and one I cbet every time with my complete range. When villain calls, and given his preflop stats, I tend to give up when I don't improve. With the pair I might bet the turn 46% of pot orso. If villain calls again on the turn, I defo give up on the river.

Hand 3 : QQ

SB is unknown (16 hands) but the 50+ % VPIP stat means he either is running hot or just plays close to ATC. The hand seems fine and would never fold that river vs someone like that?
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC Quote
03-03-2017 , 07:45 AM
Cannot believe I've missed this thread
going to read all of it now

<3 <3 <3
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC Quote
03-03-2017 , 07:55 AM
Hand 4 : KQo

I'm not a HU expert. Did I already say I suck at poker in general? ;-)

Anyways, raising his c/r on the flop not only has the merit to pick off some of his bluffs, but might make it more believable we have the flush on the river too? On the river, as played, I check behind every time. If villain didn't get there in the end, we won't extract almost never any extra value and if he did get there, he will (hero) call almost every time.

Hand 5 : 98o

On the flop, if I was villain, I would c/r you 100%. Your bet doesn't make much sense except for a complete lock (unlikely given pre-flop limp?) or for a flush draw. Hence, when villain bets small on the turn, this smells like a weak feeler bet and when you raise, it gives the impression you filled your flush draw?

Hand 6 : J9o

Goh, I find this a difficult one. I'm my current state of play, I would prolly call that turn as the A just seems the perfect card to double barrel for villain. Flop is perfectly fine IMHO. check/jam range on turn would be any 8, any FD Q or higher, check/raise: any pre-flop slowplayed Ax , any other flush draw, J7 and JT?
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC Quote
03-03-2017 , 08:25 AM
Hand 7 : TT

I don't see a case for raising the river here ever?

Hand 8 : 73s

I wouldn't defend the BB with this kind of hand even with those odds, but that is prolly a nit leak of mine. As played I would call flop and turn, but fold to river. I wonder if villain really bluffs enough on the river to have a bluff catching range? Maybe he bluffs all broadway overcards that missed the board (I wouldn't have the balls for it tbh) so that means he actually does bluff that river quite a lot. In that case I think any made pair down to Ax would be my bluff catching range?

Hand 9: K2s

1st question: what do you do when CO pushes all-in?
Generally I would have 2-barreled this hand and defo would have bet less on the turn? From 40% flop bet to 74% turn bet on a non-suspicious six? Smells like something's up?
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC Quote
03-03-2017 , 08:46 AM
Hand 10 : KQs

To be honest, I'm completely out of my depth here. Depending on the state of mind I fold or call here. But that almost never has anything to do with the villain (unless he's aggro, then I tend to call more often). Will read the thread and see if there are any reactions to this hand, would love to broaden my knowledge

Hand 11 : AQo

The 4bet raises alarm bells with me because it is a min-raise. It just seems so strong, even with his stats. I think his range is something like AA-QQ, AK, AQs and some bluffs like 98s, 87s orso. I personally would never 5-bet bluff here, prolly call with all my pp, AK, AQ and fold all the rest.

Hand 12 : ATo

Is it bad to bet that flop every time? I see straight and flush draws all abound and we only have middle pair? This is the type of hand I would bet 1 street, max 2 streets with and be done with?
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC Quote
03-03-2017 , 09:02 AM
Here are some of my thoughts:

87s hand you can do everything all streets imo, but if cbetting I would use a bigger size on flop (small size is fine tho prob).

QQ hand meh SB cold calling should ring alarm bells as imo he has all sets here (and so does CO). But if he is a fish then your line makes sense. You can even just fold flop even fwiw. It's a marginal spot w/e.

KQ hand as said earlier flop all depends on if villain would x/r worse Kx. River I would use an rng vs someone competent, and always bluff here. KdQh is a good hand to have as it doesn't block villain's folding range. I would be inclined to believe that he is barrelling all 2ps/sets ottr so you have less showdown than usual, and he should fold more than usual.

98o hand meh it really sucks if he jams on you with Tx and we fail to realise a million outs. I would rather choose weaker or stronger draws to do this with if I have a raising range.

J9o hand- his flop sizing is illegal, so idk how to react ott. Being tight is fine I assume.

TT hand is w/e. Bluffing is always indifferent, and I don't see why it isn't here. Although it's a spot that I have little idea of what theory would say.

73cc hand calling down is good theoretically with a 3 kicker. If villain cb too much on flop can also x/r. Kicker doesn't really matter as villain only ever has A7s.

K2ss hand the Ks is a pretty poor hand to bluff with otr. He needs to be severely overfolding for it to be good. Also villain flatting sb makes this bluff even worse imo. Basically you are asking if he is folding Ax, and I personally don't think that it's a good idea to bluff into top pairs on an A high board.

KQdd hand I would just call vs good regs. Idk how population plays. If you really must fold, then at least call always call with Qs or Qc as that blocks Q3s.

AQo is pretty close all 3 options. Doesn't really matter what you do. If table is soft I would fold, if not then shoving is fine. I do think tho that AJo is a fold and AJs AQs are clearish flats. A5s might be a better jam than AQo depending on villain's range obv, so you could be folding it always.

ATo v nice bluff imo. He could actually have A2hh which you block .

A8dd not loving the bluff this time. I don't know if ppl overfold, but bluffing should be 0 ev with a folding hand like this, and it's a poor hand to do it with anyway.

AKo hand I would just keep on barreling. Really good board for you because of reduced set combos. Would check AKss on turn. As played I would jam riv for sure with As.

AQo hand I don't see how villain can bluff either. You are obv supposed to call down.

A6ss hand if he knows that you check 100% on this flop then x/r is prob better. As played we can still x/r turn vs that small size.

A7o hand you played fine imo. Can also reraise turn obv 116bb deep in a mr pot. can't win them all.

Last hand is really difficult to read...
A Thought Experiment - 2017 PGC Quote

      
m