Starting over at LLSNL: A record of $0 to infinity
08-27-2016
, 12:39 PM
I can't think of a better way to celebrate the 500th post in my PG&C than to post a 1000 hour update!
First things first: I played for a a couple hours last night and the games did not disappoint. There were a couple of people there who obviously don't play very often. One guy even said that he'd never lost at poker before. With these types, it is literally a matter of time before they lose everything in front of them. There was another guy who's go-to move was to shove for any amount into $25 pots because it was the macho thing to do. This was a gold mine table. There was another table running that was playing much deeper, but half the table was not giving their money away so I was happy where I was.
A few key hands:
Hand 1:
UTG, I raise to $15 with A
T. OMC nitty player calls on Btn and the shoving maniac makes it $285. I call semiquickly and the OMC tanks for about 30 seconds before folding.
I was counting on him giving me credit for a big hand and not having one himself which I think he would have reraised. When we flipped our cards he was disgusted, which is exactly what I wanted. I held up against the maniac who had a 4 that wasn't 44 or A4 and the night was off to a good start.
Hand 2
Pre:
I raise A
K
UTG to $15. Never Lose Fish calls with $400 back (he had a huge suckout a few minutes before in which he had to be told that he had won). Timid rec player calls on Btn.
Flop: T34 ($48)
I bet $25. No Lose calls. Timid folds.
I didn't particularly like the T on the flop, but I had seen No Lose chasing gut shots to the river for large chunks all night so I decided that I was ahead of a lot of his range.
Turn: T34T ($98)
I bet $50. He comically struggles with the decision and finally calls.
If I was behind, I was still behind and I had the benefit of almost a certain raise if he had a T. So, we're down to draws, boats, and stubborn PP's. I didn't know him well enough to be able to tell if he was a really bad actor or just one of the most transparent poker players I'd ever seen.
River: K ($198)
I check. He checks.
I haven't completely analyzed this hand yet, but I think I missed a bet. I beat pretty much everything now unless he was really sandbagging. If I knew him better I'd probably throw $100 out there and hope for a call, but I wasn't sure of my read that he was weak. I've been surprised before by people because their bad acting was so bad that I decided they couldn't possibly be faking it because the performance was so terrible. He turned over K7 confidently. Oh well. I'll know better if I ever see him again.
Hand 3
Pre:
4 limps to me in the SB and I complete with Q2. This is usually a fold for me, but with several players willing to get it in with TPNK, I figured Q high flushes and 2 pair would be OK to get all in with. No Lose had earlier gotten 200BB in with a 7 high flush etc...
Flop: K
Q2 ($10)
I bet $10. Folds to a redneck in CO who has been limping ATC and raising TPNK all night long. He raises to $20. Folds to me. I call.
K2 and 22 are in his range. So are diamonds and any Kx though. So, I decide to go with it and plan to get it in on most turns.
Turn: KQ24 ($50)
I check. He bets $20 with about $120 back. I shove. He thinks for a minute and calls with K7o. I hold up and that ends up breaking the table.
Hand 4
Villain is a bad player. He will reverse float with nothing and then bluff off large amounts on later streets when it is obvious the OR is never folding. He chases any draw on the flop. I saw him win a $3K PLO pot last week when he called $600 turn bet with a naked 9high FD with no redraws. He currently has $340.
The rest of the table is varied but there are several 500bb stacks. I have ~$825.
Pre:
I straddle the button to $5 (No Lose in BB and a couple whales with very deep stacks).
4 limps to me. I raise to $30 with AT. Chaser calls as does an older guy who calls 100% of my raises and plays generally straight up post.
Flop: J35 ($105)
I bet $70. Chaser calls. Old Man folds.
I will admit that this was a questionable bet. I don't like the J at all. I did have a weak back door diamond draw and the other two cards didn't figure to have hit anyone. What I don't like is that I was behind some of his draws. I didn't plan to put anymore money in the pot unless i improved.
Turn: J35T ($245)
Check. Check.
This allowed me to consider bluff catching river, since that is a big leak of his. Hoping for a brick now.
River: J35TJ ($245)
Chaser bets $100.
This could be value of some sort. The Jack really cuts down on his value combos though and based on my knowledge of him I decided that I was winning much more than 29%. I didn't instacall, but I didn't think too much either. He flipped over A4. No Lose said, "Nice call," and I was suddenly sitting on a grand. I picked up a little after that and went on home.
>$800 night. That was nice.
1000 hours
I have now officially gone over 1000 hours of 1/2 NLH. I have a smattering of other games and stakes, but this has been my main game for several years. Why haven't I branched out?
1. Bank roll. I was a bank roll nit for a while. Then I had to spend it on school. Then, I just didn't have a lot of disposable income to start over. Then, once I had run it up with the help of a stake, I had to spend it all again on a wedding and honeymoon. Now, I'm rebuilding again. I've already stated that once I reach my min bank roll goal, I'll send the next few months putting money into our house down payment project. That being said, I'm never going broke again for nonpoker reasons. The wife is aware of my rules for this money. I took her out to breakfast this morning with some winnings just to let her remember that there are benefits for her to not try to pressure me into using it.
2. Location. I have several 1/2 games within 15 minutes of me. Most of the time that is necessary due to my family restraints. If 1/2 is the only game you can get to, you play it.
3. I haven't played a lot of other games because I have stayed away from PLO. Sometimes it's been due to bank roll and avoiding swings. Mostly though, it's because my edge isn't nearly as big. PLO doesn't lend itself to massive edges anyway, but I also have very little experience playing it. I'm just now figuring out how to beat it. If I want to follow the trend of the community (and the whales), I'll need to break into this game in a serious way.
I have goals to address these things which I will share in a bit.
Now for the moment you've all been waiting for: The Results!
If I hadn't lost that $1800 AA<66 pot last week I would have cracked $25/hr. Oh well. That just goes to show you how small a sample size 1000 hrs actually is. One big pot can shave 1-2bb/hr in either direction.
I'm obviously ecstatic with these results. Most of my hours were in short sessions, a surprising number were on week days, with most coming later at night during peak hours.
This 1000 hrs took about 4 years to compile. I'd say that's a testament to how busy I was with school and family including several long lay offs. If I could Id play all the time. Interestingly, my win rate has climbed considerably the longer I've played. The sample size isn't big enough to make any true judgments, but it suggests that I've improved at a much faster rate than my player pool.
My first 500 hrs looked like this:
Second 500 hrs were much better:
This can be construed as big improvement as well as running better than anyone has a right to. I hope it's some of both and not just the latter.
1000 hr leaks:
1. Winners tilt. It's an obvious cycle for me. I'll play really well and make some money. I'll get cocky and start donking around. I might get away with it for a bit, but then I get my head bashed in and take a break. When I come back, I turn it around pretty quickly and start making money again until I forget and start playing stupidly again. If I can cut out the idiocy when I've been going good, I think I could make $25-30/hr at 1/2.
2. C betting excessively. This leak was evidenced above in a couple of my recent hand histories. It's an easy fix. I just don't like giving up on pots. Once I've started a hand, I like to put on pressure the whole way through. Just have to keep it in check.
3. Getting lost because I'm autopiloting and not ranging. This is just a concentration issue. I get away with it at 1/2 because they're so terrible, but if I want to play bigger games, I'll have to knock it off.
4. Bad bluffs. I will occasionally make a really bad bluff just because someone (or multiple someones) have checked. Again, I get away with it at these games often because they are so devoid of hand reading ability but better players at bigger stakes won't go for it.
5. Calling down. I still call too many river bets even though I have vastly improved on this. I've documented my struggles with this leak for some time. It still creeps up occasionally. Just something I need to keep an eye on.
1000 hr goals:
1. Obviously, I have my bankroll goals. $6000 base. Pay for the down payment, then start building toward a $2/5 roll again. I'm well on my way now. I want to be able to head off to Detroit for 2/5 whenever the opportunity arises without bank roll being a consideration.
2. Return to online games and actually beat them. I've been spinning my wheels in 10NL for a while now. When I'm playing live regularly I don't take it as seriously. I'd like to run my roll up again. I' have somewhere between $500-550 online right now. I want to see if I can get back to 25NL.
3. Read Elwood's poker tells series. I've been meaning to do this for years, and I just can't seem to stick with it. It's an underdeveloped part of my game. Time to fix that.
4. Top $25/hr at 1/2. I'm not far away now, but it requires me to play my best for longer stretches than I've been doing. Really it's going to be a matter of controlling leak #1. If not for that I think I'd be >$30/hr now. I think I can do it.
5. As my bankroll allows, become proficient at PLO. Both short stacking and deeper play. 75% of the whale action is in this game right now. I need to tap into it. Their play is appallingly bad. It's money just waiting to be had. Going to reread Huang's book. Will play micro PLO online, and find places to post as well. Anyone who has other good resources, please send them my way.
6. Resubscribe to CR. I'm going to wait until the BR min has been reached, but this is a worthwhile investment IMO.
That's it for now. Gonna try to get back out tonight if family time allows. We'll see.
Inspirational thoughts:
The world is bright and poker is NOT DEAD!!! If i can beat these games, so can you! We all have a different ceiling, but none of us has reached it. Work hard and be patient! That goes for all pursuits in life. I believe that our society is producing ever more weak minded people. Learn to be mentally strong and you will have an edge in anything you do. Especially poker.
First things first: I played for a a couple hours last night and the games did not disappoint. There were a couple of people there who obviously don't play very often. One guy even said that he'd never lost at poker before. With these types, it is literally a matter of time before they lose everything in front of them. There was another guy who's go-to move was to shove for any amount into $25 pots because it was the macho thing to do. This was a gold mine table. There was another table running that was playing much deeper, but half the table was not giving their money away so I was happy where I was.
A few key hands:
Hand 1:
UTG, I raise to $15 with A
T. OMC nitty player calls on Btn and the shoving maniac makes it $285. I call semiquickly and the OMC tanks for about 30 seconds before folding. I was counting on him giving me credit for a big hand and not having one himself which I think he would have reraised. When we flipped our cards he was disgusted, which is exactly what I wanted. I held up against the maniac who had a 4 that wasn't 44 or A4 and the night was off to a good start.
Hand 2
Pre:
I raise A
K UTG to $15. Never Lose Fish calls with $400 back (he had a huge suckout a few minutes before in which he had to be told that he had won). Timid rec player calls on Btn. Flop: T
34 ($48)I bet $25. No Lose calls. Timid folds.
I didn't particularly like the T on the flop, but I had seen No Lose chasing gut shots to the river for large chunks all night so I decided that I was ahead of a lot of his range.
Turn: T
34T ($98)I bet $50. He comically struggles with the decision and finally calls.
If I was behind, I was still behind and I had the benefit of almost a certain raise if he had a T. So, we're down to draws, boats, and stubborn PP's. I didn't know him well enough to be able to tell if he was a really bad actor or just one of the most transparent poker players I'd ever seen.
River: K
($198)I check. He checks.
I haven't completely analyzed this hand yet, but I think I missed a bet. I beat pretty much everything now unless he was really sandbagging. If I knew him better I'd probably throw $100 out there and hope for a call, but I wasn't sure of my read that he was weak. I've been surprised before by people because their bad acting was so bad that I decided they couldn't possibly be faking it because the performance was so terrible. He turned over K
7 confidently. Oh well. I'll know better if I ever see him again. Hand 3
Pre:
4 limps to me in the SB and I complete with Q
2. This is usually a fold for me, but with several players willing to get it in with TPNK, I figured Q high flushes and 2 pair would be OK to get all in with. No Lose had earlier gotten 200BB in with a 7 high flush etc...Flop: K
Q2 ($10)I bet $10. Folds to a redneck in CO who has been limping ATC and raising TPNK all night long. He raises to $20. Folds to me. I call.
K2 and 22 are in his range. So are diamonds and any Kx though. So, I decide to go with it and plan to get it in on most turns.
Turn: K
Q24 ($50)I check. He bets $20 with about $120 back. I shove. He thinks for a minute and calls with K7o. I hold up and that ends up breaking the table.
Hand 4
Villain is a bad player. He will reverse float with nothing and then bluff off large amounts on later streets when it is obvious the OR is never folding. He chases any draw on the flop. I saw him win a $3K PLO pot last week when he called $600 turn bet with a naked 9high FD with no redraws. He currently has $340.
The rest of the table is varied but there are several 500bb stacks. I have ~$825.
Pre:
I straddle the button to $5 (No Lose in BB and a couple whales with very deep stacks).
4 limps to me. I raise to $30 with A
T. Chaser calls as does an older guy who calls 100% of my raises and plays generally straight up post. Flop: J
35 ($105)I bet $70. Chaser calls. Old Man folds.
I will admit that this was a questionable bet. I don't like the J at all. I did have a weak back door diamond draw and the other two cards didn't figure to have hit anyone. What I don't like is that I was behind some of his draws. I didn't plan to put anymore money in the pot unless i improved.
Turn: J
35T ($245)Check. Check.
This allowed me to consider bluff catching river, since that is a big leak of his. Hoping for a brick now.
River: J
35TJ ($245)Chaser bets $100.
This could be value of some sort. The Jack really cuts down on his value combos though and based on my knowledge of him I decided that I was winning much more than 29%. I didn't instacall, but I didn't think too much either. He flipped over A
4. No Lose said, "Nice call," and I was suddenly sitting on a grand. I picked up a little after that and went on home. >$800 night. That was nice.
1000 hours
I have now officially gone over 1000 hours of 1/2 NLH. I have a smattering of other games and stakes, but this has been my main game for several years. Why haven't I branched out?
1. Bank roll. I was a bank roll nit for a while. Then I had to spend it on school. Then, I just didn't have a lot of disposable income to start over. Then, once I had run it up with the help of a stake, I had to spend it all again on a wedding and honeymoon. Now, I'm rebuilding again. I've already stated that once I reach my min bank roll goal, I'll send the next few months putting money into our house down payment project. That being said, I'm never going broke again for nonpoker reasons. The wife is aware of my rules for this money. I took her out to breakfast this morning with some winnings just to let her remember that there are benefits for her to not try to pressure me into using it.
2. Location. I have several 1/2 games within 15 minutes of me. Most of the time that is necessary due to my family restraints. If 1/2 is the only game you can get to, you play it.
3. I haven't played a lot of other games because I have stayed away from PLO. Sometimes it's been due to bank roll and avoiding swings. Mostly though, it's because my edge isn't nearly as big. PLO doesn't lend itself to massive edges anyway, but I also have very little experience playing it. I'm just now figuring out how to beat it. If I want to follow the trend of the community (and the whales), I'll need to break into this game in a serious way.
I have goals to address these things which I will share in a bit.
Now for the moment you've all been waiting for: The Results!
If I hadn't lost that $1800 AA<66 pot last week I would have cracked $25/hr. Oh well. That just goes to show you how small a sample size 1000 hrs actually is. One big pot can shave 1-2bb/hr in either direction.
I'm obviously ecstatic with these results. Most of my hours were in short sessions, a surprising number were on week days, with most coming later at night during peak hours.
This 1000 hrs took about 4 years to compile. I'd say that's a testament to how busy I was with school and family including several long lay offs. If I could Id play all the time. Interestingly, my win rate has climbed considerably the longer I've played. The sample size isn't big enough to make any true judgments, but it suggests that I've improved at a much faster rate than my player pool.
My first 500 hrs looked like this:
Second 500 hrs were much better:
This can be construed as big improvement as well as running better than anyone has a right to. I hope it's some of both and not just the latter.
1000 hr leaks:
1. Winners tilt. It's an obvious cycle for me. I'll play really well and make some money. I'll get cocky and start donking around. I might get away with it for a bit, but then I get my head bashed in and take a break. When I come back, I turn it around pretty quickly and start making money again until I forget and start playing stupidly again. If I can cut out the idiocy when I've been going good, I think I could make $25-30/hr at 1/2.
2. C betting excessively. This leak was evidenced above in a couple of my recent hand histories. It's an easy fix. I just don't like giving up on pots. Once I've started a hand, I like to put on pressure the whole way through. Just have to keep it in check.
3. Getting lost because I'm autopiloting and not ranging. This is just a concentration issue. I get away with it at 1/2 because they're so terrible, but if I want to play bigger games, I'll have to knock it off.
4. Bad bluffs. I will occasionally make a really bad bluff just because someone (or multiple someones) have checked. Again, I get away with it at these games often because they are so devoid of hand reading ability but better players at bigger stakes won't go for it.
5. Calling down. I still call too many river bets even though I have vastly improved on this. I've documented my struggles with this leak for some time. It still creeps up occasionally. Just something I need to keep an eye on.
1000 hr goals:
1. Obviously, I have my bankroll goals. $6000 base. Pay for the down payment, then start building toward a $2/5 roll again. I'm well on my way now. I want to be able to head off to Detroit for 2/5 whenever the opportunity arises without bank roll being a consideration.
2. Return to online games and actually beat them. I've been spinning my wheels in 10NL for a while now. When I'm playing live regularly I don't take it as seriously. I'd like to run my roll up again. I' have somewhere between $500-550 online right now. I want to see if I can get back to 25NL.
3. Read Elwood's poker tells series. I've been meaning to do this for years, and I just can't seem to stick with it. It's an underdeveloped part of my game. Time to fix that.
4. Top $25/hr at 1/2. I'm not far away now, but it requires me to play my best for longer stretches than I've been doing. Really it's going to be a matter of controlling leak #1. If not for that I think I'd be >$30/hr now. I think I can do it.
5. As my bankroll allows, become proficient at PLO. Both short stacking and deeper play. 75% of the whale action is in this game right now. I need to tap into it. Their play is appallingly bad. It's money just waiting to be had. Going to reread Huang's book. Will play micro PLO online, and find places to post as well. Anyone who has other good resources, please send them my way.
6. Resubscribe to CR. I'm going to wait until the BR min has been reached, but this is a worthwhile investment IMO.
That's it for now. Gonna try to get back out tonight if family time allows. We'll see.
Inspirational thoughts:
The world is bright and poker is NOT DEAD!!! If i can beat these games, so can you! We all have a different ceiling, but none of us has reached it. Work hard and be patient! That goes for all pursuits in life. I believe that our society is producing ever more weak minded people. Learn to be mentally strong and you will have an edge in anything you do. Especially poker.
Last edited by spikeraw22; 08-27-2016 at 12:45 PM.
08-27-2016
, 11:30 PM
09-04-2016
, 06:11 PM
One day after making the last update, I promptly lost 5BI. That's the most I've ever lost in one sitting. Most was bad luck. Some was bad play.
AA<76o vs. maniac for 150bb on a K66r board. He gets it in with Kx there.
Bad river call when a BDFD got there on the river and passive player bet into me.
Lost a flip to a LOL bad player who proceeded to look up the odds of the hand on his phone ten minutes later so he could inform me that he was a 54%Q favorite on the flop.
Called a turn raise with NFD getting 3:1 vs. same player, and then decided that he could be bluffing for my last $50 when the river missed.
Approximately 100bb worth of spew. The rest was just destined to happen.
I considered leaving on a couple of different ocassions because usually I'm starting to tilt after a few losses, but I took a trip to the parking lot and thought it out. I wasn't playing badly, and I had an amazing seat so I stuck it out. Normally, I'd say I wasn't on my game and should have left, but I actually think this time there was no tilt factor so I'm OK with it.
After that, I took a few days off. Partially because I was just busy and partially because I suspected my tilt threshold was lower than normal (discussion with a friend confirmed this was the right move).
So, I didn't play again until last night. I went to my usual spot and found a waiting list and one table running that was not very exciting at all. I have no doubt that the game would improve once things got going, but I was not in the mood to wait.
So, I decided a change of scenery might be good and even though it's further away and generally not as good of a game, I headed downtown. The main casino 1/2 is something I'm trying to avoid, but the other one I called into had another wait list. So, MCC it was. As suspected, the game was not very good. There were a couple of marks that I took advantage of but mostly it was filled with loose and really passive players with a few nitty players sprinkled in. I was by far the most aggressive player at the table.
I 3 bet KK twice and got a fold from AKs (:0) on one of them.
I'll post two hands from this session that I thought were interesting.
Good Hand
Folds to me on Btn with KT. I raise to $12 (I'd been raising to $12 a lot earlier and had been increasing my raise size because I was starting to get a lot of calls). BB calls. He has quickly shown to be an ATC preflop player who has a hard time folding post. $$$$$$. He has about $300 to start.
Flop: AJ8 ($25)
V checks. I bet $17. He calls.
Questionable but not horrible given he has lots of undercard no pairs. Obviously getting called by pairs and draws.
Turn: AJ8Q ($61)
V checks. I inwardly smile and bet $35. V thinks for a couple seconds and calls.
He can have baby flushes, and 2 pair. Probably even Ax
River: AJ8Q4 ($131)
V checks. I bet $80. V deliberates for about 30 seconds and painfully calls showing AQ. I fist pump several times yelling, "Ship it! In your face! You suck!"
Bad Hand
V sat down about an hour ago. He has limped a bunch and not put any money in after that without at least top pair. He's pretty loose pre and extremely passive. He has $190
Preflop: Folds to V in LP who raises to $10. THis set alarm bells off. Folds to me in SB with KK. I elect to 3bet to $40. All that I was thinking about at that moment was, "I have KK. I know he's got a big hand, I just hope it's QQ and I'm going to stack off because the SPR will be 2." Folds to V who contemplates for a few seconds and just calls.
His range (which I knew in the unidiotic part of my brain was JJ+,AK. That's actually probably being generous.
Flop: Q84 ($82)
I bet $40. V raises to $85. I lol shove. He calls and of course shows AA. He then fist pumps several times yelling, "Ship it! In your face fish! You suck!"
If I was thinking straight I'd realize that this is a 100% check. I beat nothing that will call any bet. If I was going to cbet, I'd have to bet small (Got that part right). Once he raises, especially when it's not all in, I just have to fold. I knew he had AA or QQ. I did. Then I talked myself into thinking, "I don't know him well enough to say he doesn't have AQ (yes I did). I also talked myself into, "Overpair with an SPR of 2!" It doesn't matter if you are never ahead. I'm never ahead there. Poorly played.
I made one other bad call. I had top pair meh kicker vs a straddler who clearly did not believe anything i was doing. I bet 2 streets for value getting called the whole way. The river put a semi innocuous card on the board, and V donked into me for 1/3 pot. I reluctantly called as multiple flush and straight draws had missed. He had rivered a janked up 2p. I knew in the unidiotic part of my brain that he is never ever donking busted draws, especially for 1/3 pot. But "pot odds" and "He could be."
It was fun to get into a different player pool. They're terrible for different reasons. It actually might be good for me to play with them sometimes just so that I can work on my #1 leak-- Calling river bets. This pool is rarely if ever bluffing or thinly value betting any rivers. I can safely fold nearly 100% and profit.
I still crushed them pretty handily for the day, but I cost myself about $200 with bad calls. If I an clean that up I'll be crushing at a higher rate than my first 1000 hours.
Bank roll is still fine. Creeping back up toward the 20BI mark. Got some work to do to get to the goal of 30BI but I'm happy overall with the results so far.
AA<76o vs. maniac for 150bb on a K66r board. He gets it in with Kx there.
Bad river call when a BDFD got there on the river and passive player bet into me.
Lost a flip to a LOL bad player who proceeded to look up the odds of the hand on his phone ten minutes later so he could inform me that he was a 54%Q favorite on the flop.
Called a turn raise with NFD getting 3:1 vs. same player, and then decided that he could be bluffing for my last $50 when the river missed.
Approximately 100bb worth of spew. The rest was just destined to happen.
I considered leaving on a couple of different ocassions because usually I'm starting to tilt after a few losses, but I took a trip to the parking lot and thought it out. I wasn't playing badly, and I had an amazing seat so I stuck it out. Normally, I'd say I wasn't on my game and should have left, but I actually think this time there was no tilt factor so I'm OK with it.
After that, I took a few days off. Partially because I was just busy and partially because I suspected my tilt threshold was lower than normal (discussion with a friend confirmed this was the right move).
So, I didn't play again until last night. I went to my usual spot and found a waiting list and one table running that was not very exciting at all. I have no doubt that the game would improve once things got going, but I was not in the mood to wait.
So, I decided a change of scenery might be good and even though it's further away and generally not as good of a game, I headed downtown. The main casino 1/2 is something I'm trying to avoid, but the other one I called into had another wait list. So, MCC it was. As suspected, the game was not very good. There were a couple of marks that I took advantage of but mostly it was filled with loose and really passive players with a few nitty players sprinkled in. I was by far the most aggressive player at the table.
I 3 bet KK twice and got a fold from AKs (:0) on one of them.
I'll post two hands from this session that I thought were interesting.
Good Hand
Folds to me on Btn with K
T. I raise to $12 (I'd been raising to $12 a lot earlier and had been increasing my raise size because I was starting to get a lot of calls). BB calls. He has quickly shown to be an ATC preflop player who has a hard time folding post. $$$$$$. He has about $300 to start. Flop: A
J8 ($25)V checks. I bet $17. He calls.
Questionable but not horrible given he has lots of undercard no pairs. Obviously getting called by pairs and draws.
Turn: A
J8Q ($61)V checks. I inwardly smile and bet $35. V thinks for a couple seconds and calls.
He can have baby flushes, and 2 pair. Probably even Ax
River: A
J8Q4 ($131)V checks. I bet $80. V deliberates for about 30 seconds and painfully calls showing A
Q. I fist pump several times yelling, "Ship it! In your face! You suck!" Bad Hand
V sat down about an hour ago. He has limped a bunch and not put any money in after that without at least top pair. He's pretty loose pre and extremely passive. He has $190
Preflop: Folds to V in LP who raises to $10. THis set alarm bells off. Folds to me in SB with K
K. I elect to 3bet to $40. All that I was thinking about at that moment was, "I have KK. I know he's got a big hand, I just hope it's QQ and I'm going to stack off because the SPR will be 2." Folds to V who contemplates for a few seconds and just calls. His range (which I knew in the unidiotic part of my brain was JJ+,AK. That's actually probably being generous.
Flop: Q
84 ($82)I bet $40. V raises to $85. I lol shove. He calls and of course shows AA. He then fist pumps several times yelling, "Ship it! In your face fish! You suck!"
If I was thinking straight I'd realize that this is a 100% check. I beat nothing that will call any bet. If I was going to cbet, I'd have to bet small (Got that part right). Once he raises, especially when it's not all in, I just have to fold. I knew he had AA or QQ. I did. Then I talked myself into thinking, "I don't know him well enough to say he doesn't have AQ (yes I did). I also talked myself into, "Overpair with an SPR of 2!" It doesn't matter if you are never ahead. I'm never ahead there. Poorly played.
I made one other bad call. I had top pair meh kicker vs a straddler who clearly did not believe anything i was doing. I bet 2 streets for value getting called the whole way. The river put a semi innocuous card on the board, and V donked into me for 1/3 pot. I reluctantly called as multiple flush and straight draws had missed. He had rivered a janked up 2p. I knew in the unidiotic part of my brain that he is never ever donking busted draws, especially for 1/3 pot. But "pot odds" and "He could be."
It was fun to get into a different player pool. They're terrible for different reasons. It actually might be good for me to play with them sometimes just so that I can work on my #1 leak-- Calling river bets. This pool is rarely if ever bluffing or thinly value betting any rivers. I can safely fold nearly 100% and profit.
I still crushed them pretty handily for the day, but I cost myself about $200 with bad calls. If I an clean that up I'll be crushing at a higher rate than my first 1000 hours.
Bank roll is still fine. Creeping back up toward the 20BI mark. Got some work to do to get to the goal of 30BI but I'm happy overall with the results so far.
09-06-2016
, 01:26 AM
The last few times I've hit the local spots I've been un-impressed with the situation. One table that either looked like total garbage, or one table deep with droolers and 4 people in front of me. Have walked in and right back out a couple of times. Couple times no game at all 
. Hope that's just the typical end of summer slowdown where it's hard to get anyone to do anything other than hang out outside near a lake.
I assume you have the numbers for all 3 casinos (they're in the Detroit thread, first post). I've rarely had any trouble getting a seat at either MGM or GT after I've called ahead. The 35-40 min drive + parking and walking time usually leaves me at the top of the list when I walk in. Your experience matches what I've seen at MCC in the $1/2 game, and also in a lot of the bad day games I just saw in Vegas. Lots of weak passive, kind of tight players without much inclination to get money in the middle, more interested in grinding out their monthly hours or jackpot shares. Still really easy to beat, just slowly.
Really like the value bet OTR in hand 1. 30 seconds tanking makes me think that was exactly the right amount.
Hand 2 is a PITA OOP against a nit. Flatting pre is probably a leak against most players, but against an uber tight range ... maybe better? Not bad odds to setmine (yuck though), might give us flexibility.
I think that getting into new player pools is a huge benefit for one's game. It forces you to re-adjust what your assumptions about your villains are and pay attention again to what they're doing, instead of just going back into the mental vault of how terrible the Heineken chugging midget is. Keeps you in practice for whatever game conditions you might run into.
. Hope that's just the typical end of summer slowdown where it's hard to get anyone to do anything other than hang out outside near a lake.I assume you have the numbers for all 3 casinos (they're in the Detroit thread, first post). I've rarely had any trouble getting a seat at either MGM or GT after I've called ahead. The 35-40 min drive + parking and walking time usually leaves me at the top of the list when I walk in. Your experience matches what I've seen at MCC in the $1/2 game, and also in a lot of the bad day games I just saw in Vegas. Lots of weak passive, kind of tight players without much inclination to get money in the middle, more interested in grinding out their monthly hours or jackpot shares. Still really easy to beat, just slowly.
Really like the value bet OTR in hand 1. 30 seconds tanking makes me think that was exactly the right amount.
Hand 2 is a PITA OOP against a nit. Flatting pre is probably a leak against most players, but against an uber tight range ... maybe better? Not bad odds to setmine (yuck though), might give us flexibility.
I think that getting into new player pools is a huge benefit for one's game. It forces you to re-adjust what your assumptions about your villains are and pay attention again to what they're doing, instead of just going back into the mental vault of how terrible the Heineken chugging midget is. Keeps you in practice for whatever game conditions you might run into.
09-06-2016
, 12:27 PM
09-07-2016
, 01:03 AM
Now officially on a 3 day holiday. Kicked it off with a 3ish hour session at the local game.
Highlights:
7 handed
First hand:
UTG KQ Raise to $12. Folds to OMC looking fellow in LP who calls. I'm assuming he's a standard player from my pool which means he's not a typical OMC. He may play passively, but when he puts money in it's not the always the nuts. This is the major difference between the Detroit crowd and this one. He has ~$200.
Flop: Q83 ($27)
I bet $20. He quickly calls.
Turn: Q835 ($67)
I bet $50. He quickly calls.
River: Q8353 ($177)
I check. He shoves for $124. I tank for a few seconds. He's unknown and older. I also am working on not foolishly calling river bets. I think that he probably would have raised with better than one pair though. I look at him and he's stiff as a board. It's tough to get a nervous vibe from someone who could drop dead at any moment, but this guy looks nervous. I don't enjoy making the call, but I do. I mean that's why I checked the river. So, he could bluff his spades. He shows AK and I win. I was afraid of AQ but otherwise felt like I was ahead most of the time. That's a good start.
Hand 2
I straddle to $5. BB is a donkey giving away $100 at a time and calls. LP fish in LP calls. I check 69o.
Flop: K96 ($16)
Checks to me. I bet $15. BB calls instantly. HU.
Turn: K96J ($46)
Checks to me. I bet $45. He raises to $90 with about $25 back. I tank for a bit counting combos. I think he raises 2p+ on flop. KJ is in his range. Tons of draws are in his range and he absolutely raises them either on flop or turn. I call and his 78 misses.
Hand 3
I don't remember the specifics but it involved me raising AK and Angrist flatting with AAx. I somehow managed to not get all in with him on a K high draw heavy flop. I called a river bet but it was a no brainer. Nice hand Angrist.
Hand 4
Fish calls my button straddle. I raise to $15 with :QJ. He calls.
Flop: KT8 ($33)
He reaches for chips and then checks. I check while internally LOLing at his LOL live tell.
Turn: KT8 6($33)
Fish bets $15. I call quickly. ($63)
River: KT8 6some brick that was such a brick that I don't even remember it. ($63)
Fish reaches for chips. Then checks his cards. Then reaches for his chips again. I immediately reach for a stack of chips and just start playing with it out in front of my cards (no betting line). He looks at me, then at his cards and mucks without a showdown. Everyone wonders what the hell just happened and I scoop it.
I'm not sure if I'm reinforcing my leaks or just making good calls on the first two hands. Maybe a little of both. The game got good for a few minutes then died down until it was 4 handed. I had Angrist on my left and a deep stack old guy after him. I had the fish on my right. We were basically sitting there waiting for him ot give us his money. We quit early because it wasn't really a good situation and that's fine since I don't want to be dead tomorrow morning.
Shout out to Angrist for making what I assume was a pretty good fold against the fish when he obviously got there with some garbage. That's money saved in a game where it's really easy to get caught up in the flow and just hand the guy a bigger chunk than he deserved.
Most of tonight was just creating spots with the fishes and taking as much of it as I could get. Worked out pretty well with a couple of buy ins earned.
The next few days I'm going to try to play as much as possible. Either in the day down town or at night around here or both. We'll see how it goes. Gotta make hay while the sun is shining. Approaching my BR high again for this cycle of 0 to infinity.
Highlights:
7 handed
First hand:
UTG K
Q Raise to $12. Folds to OMC looking fellow in LP who calls. I'm assuming he's a standard player from my pool which means he's not a typical OMC. He may play passively, but when he puts money in it's not the always the nuts. This is the major difference between the Detroit crowd and this one. He has ~$200.Flop: Q
83 ($27)I bet $20. He quickly calls.
Turn: Q
835 ($67)I bet $50. He quickly calls.
River: Q
8353 ($177)I check. He shoves for $124. I tank for a few seconds. He's unknown and older. I also am working on not foolishly calling river bets. I think that he probably would have raised with better than one pair though. I look at him and he's stiff as a board. It's tough to get a nervous vibe from someone who could drop dead at any moment, but this guy looks nervous. I don't enjoy making the call, but I do. I mean that's why I checked the river. So, he could bluff his spades. He shows A
K and I win. I was afraid of AQ but otherwise felt like I was ahead most of the time. That's a good start. Hand 2
I straddle to $5. BB is a donkey giving away $100 at a time and calls. LP fish in LP calls. I check 69o.
Flop: K
96 ($16)Checks to me. I bet $15. BB calls instantly. HU.
Turn: K
96J ($46)Checks to me. I bet $45. He raises to $90 with about $25 back. I tank for a bit counting combos. I think he raises 2p+ on flop. KJ is in his range. Tons of draws are in his range and he absolutely raises them either on flop or turn. I call and his 78 misses.
Hand 3
I don't remember the specifics but it involved me raising A
K and Angrist flatting with AAx. I somehow managed to not get all in with him on a K high draw heavy flop. I called a river bet but it was a no brainer. Nice hand Angrist. Hand 4
Fish calls my button straddle. I raise to $15 with :Q
J. He calls. Flop: K
T8 ($33)He reaches for chips and then checks. I check while internally LOLing at his LOL live tell.
Turn: K
T8 6($33)Fish bets $15. I call quickly. ($63)
River: K
T8 6some brick that was such a brick that I don't even remember it. ($63)Fish reaches for chips. Then checks his cards. Then reaches for his chips again. I immediately reach for a stack of chips and just start playing with it out in front of my cards (no betting line). He looks at me, then at his cards and mucks without a showdown. Everyone wonders what the hell just happened and I scoop it.
I'm not sure if I'm reinforcing my leaks or just making good calls on the first two hands. Maybe a little of both. The game got good for a few minutes then died down until it was 4 handed. I had Angrist on my left and a deep stack old guy after him. I had the fish on my right. We were basically sitting there waiting for him ot give us his money. We quit early because it wasn't really a good situation and that's fine since I don't want to be dead tomorrow morning.
Shout out to Angrist for making what I assume was a pretty good fold against the fish when he obviously got there with some garbage. That's money saved in a game where it's really easy to get caught up in the flow and just hand the guy a bigger chunk than he deserved.
Most of tonight was just creating spots with the fishes and taking as much of it as I could get. Worked out pretty well with a couple of buy ins earned.
The next few days I'm going to try to play as much as possible. Either in the day down town or at night around here or both. We'll see how it goes. Gotta make hay while the sun is shining. Approaching my BR high again for this cycle of 0 to infinity.
Last edited by spikeraw22; 09-07-2016 at 01:31 AM.
09-07-2016
, 11:16 AM
09-07-2016
, 04:39 PM
09-07-2016
, 05:21 PM
09-07-2016
, 05:54 PM
Hi sir, man?, mate? 
I've been following your thread since the start and I just want to say thank you so much for the information you are sharing or just the way you aproach the game in general. Even tho im an online player your posts have helped so much to be honest with myself, my game and the way i think about the game and of course mental game. I continue to read every update you make and there always something new to learn either about the game or just to add something to my character. lol not sure about my last sentence hopefully you know what i mean.
I've been following your thread since the start and I just want to say thank you so much for the information you are sharing or just the way you aproach the game in general. Even tho im an online player your posts have helped so much to be honest with myself, my game and the way i think about the game and of course mental game. I continue to read every update you make and there always something new to learn either about the game or just to add something to my character. lol not sure about my last sentence hopefully you know what i mean.
09-07-2016
, 08:56 PM
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Hi sir, man?, mate? I've been following your thread since the start and I just want to say thank you so much for the information you are sharing or just the way you aproach the game in general. Even tho im an online player your posts have helped so much to be honest with myself, my game and the way i think about the game and of course mental game. I continue to read every update you make and there always something new to learn either about the game or just to add something to my character. lol not sure about my last sentence hopefully you know what i mean.
I've been following your thread since the start and I just want to say thank you so much for the information you are sharing or just the way you aproach the game in general. Even tho im an online player your posts have helped so much to be honest with myself, my game and the way i think about the game and of course mental game. I continue to read every update you make and there always something new to learn either about the game or just to add something to my character. lol not sure about my last sentence hopefully you know what i mean.
Quote:
Yup. It's almost hilarious that you get all those invites to come crack their skulls open. I try to be somewhat chatty, drink some beer, and make sure that people remember when I get beat (even though I'm usually not actually mad). Although some days I like that I can sit at a table and not *have* to speak to anyone too.
If you ever want to actually stand up and yell "Ship it! You suck!" at me for some kind of meta reason, I wouldn't be offended. Might even be a funny exchange. That's part of why I yell at the one dealer sometimes.
If you ever want to actually stand up and yell "Ship it! You suck!" at me for some kind of meta reason, I wouldn't be offended. Might even be a funny exchange. That's part of why I yell at the one dealer sometimes.
Expect it.
09-07-2016
, 09:14 PM
Quote:
One day after making the last update, I promptly lost 5BI. That's the most I've ever lost in one sitting. Most was bad luck. Some was bad play.
AA<76o vs. maniac for 150bb on a K66r board. He gets it in with Kx there.
Bad river call when a BDFD got there on the river and passive player bet into me.
Lost a flip to a LOL bad player who proceeded to look up the odds of the hand on his phone ten minutes later so he could inform me that he was a 54%Q favorite on the flop.
Called a turn raise with NFD getting 3:1 vs. same player, and then decided that he could be bluffing for my last $50 when the river missed.
Approximately 100bb worth of spew. The rest was just destined to happen.
I considered leaving on a couple of different ocassions because usually I'm starting to tilt after a few losses, but I took a trip to the parking lot and thought it out. I wasn't playing badly, and I had an amazing seat so I stuck it out. Normally, I'd say I wasn't on my game and should have left, but I actually think this time there was no tilt factor so I'm OK with it.
After that, I took a few days off. Partially because I was just busy and partially because I suspected my tilt threshold was lower than normal (discussion with a friend confirmed this was the right move).
So, I didn't play again until last night. I went to my usual spot and found a waiting list and one table running that was not very exciting at all. I have no doubt that the game would improve once things got going, but I was not in the mood to wait.
So, I decided a change of scenery might be good and even though it's further away and generally not as good of a game, I headed downtown. The main casino 1/2 is something I'm trying to avoid, but the other one I called into had another wait list. So, MCC it was. As suspected, the game was not very good. There were a couple of marks that I took advantage of but mostly it was filled with loose and really passive players with a few nitty players sprinkled in. I was by far the most aggressive player at the table.
I 3 bet KK twice and got a fold from AKs (:0) on one of them.
I'll post two hands from this session that I thought were interesting.
Good Hand
Folds to me on Btn with KT. I raise to $12 (I'd been raising to $12 a lot earlier and had been increasing my raise size because I was starting to get a lot of calls). BB calls. He has quickly shown to be an ATC preflop player who has a hard time folding post. $$$$$$. He has about $300 to start.
Flop: AJ8 ($25)
V checks. I bet $17. He calls.
Questionable but not horrible given he has lots of undercard no pairs. Obviously getting called by pairs and draws.
Turn: AJ8Q ($61)
V checks. I inwardly smile and bet $35. V thinks for a couple seconds and calls.
He can have baby flushes, and 2 pair. Probably even Ax
River: AJ8Q4 ($131)
V checks. I bet $80. V deliberates for about 30 seconds and painfully calls showing AQ. I fist pump several times yelling, "Ship it! In your face! You suck!"
Bad Hand
V sat down about an hour ago. He has limped a bunch and not put any money in after that without at least top pair. He's pretty loose pre and extremely passive. He has $190
Preflop: Folds to V in LP who raises to $10. THis set alarm bells off. Folds to me in SB with KK. I elect to 3bet to $40. All that I was thinking about at that moment was, "I have KK. I know he's got a big hand, I just hope it's QQ and I'm going to stack off because the SPR will be 2." Folds to V who contemplates for a few seconds and just calls.
His range (which I knew in the unidiotic part of my brain was JJ+,AK. That's actually probably being generous.
Flop: Q84 ($82)
I bet $40. V raises to $85. I lol shove. He calls and of course shows AA. He then fist pumps several times yelling, "Ship it! In your face fish! You suck!"
If I was thinking straight I'd realize that this is a 100% check. I beat nothing that will call any bet. If I was going to cbet, I'd have to bet small (Got that part right). Once he raises, especially when it's not all in, I just have to fold. I knew he had AA or QQ. I did. Then I talked myself into thinking, "I don't know him well enough to say he doesn't have AQ (yes I did). I also talked myself into, "Overpair with an SPR of 2!" It doesn't matter if you are never ahead. I'm never ahead there. Poorly played.
I made one other bad call. I had top pair meh kicker vs a straddler who clearly did not believe anything i was doing. I bet 2 streets for value getting called the whole way. The river put a semi innocuous card on the board, and V donked into me for 1/3 pot. I reluctantly called as multiple flush and straight draws had missed. He had rivered a janked up 2p. I knew in the unidiotic part of my brain that he is never ever donking busted draws, especially for 1/3 pot. But "pot odds" and "He could be."
It was fun to get into a different player pool. They're terrible for different reasons. It actually might be good for me to play with them sometimes just so that I can work on my #1 leak-- Calling river bets. This pool is rarely if ever bluffing or thinly value betting any rivers. I can safely fold nearly 100% and profit.
I still crushed them pretty handily for the day, but I cost myself about $200 with bad calls. If I an clean that up I'll be crushing at a higher rate than my first 1000 hours.
Bank roll is still fine. Creeping back up toward the 20BI mark. Got some work to do to get to the goal of 30BI but I'm happy overall with the results so far.
AA<76o vs. maniac for 150bb on a K66r board. He gets it in with Kx there.
Bad river call when a BDFD got there on the river and passive player bet into me.
Lost a flip to a LOL bad player who proceeded to look up the odds of the hand on his phone ten minutes later so he could inform me that he was a 54%Q favorite on the flop.
Called a turn raise with NFD getting 3:1 vs. same player, and then decided that he could be bluffing for my last $50 when the river missed.
Approximately 100bb worth of spew. The rest was just destined to happen.
I considered leaving on a couple of different ocassions because usually I'm starting to tilt after a few losses, but I took a trip to the parking lot and thought it out. I wasn't playing badly, and I had an amazing seat so I stuck it out. Normally, I'd say I wasn't on my game and should have left, but I actually think this time there was no tilt factor so I'm OK with it.
After that, I took a few days off. Partially because I was just busy and partially because I suspected my tilt threshold was lower than normal (discussion with a friend confirmed this was the right move).
So, I didn't play again until last night. I went to my usual spot and found a waiting list and one table running that was not very exciting at all. I have no doubt that the game would improve once things got going, but I was not in the mood to wait.
So, I decided a change of scenery might be good and even though it's further away and generally not as good of a game, I headed downtown. The main casino 1/2 is something I'm trying to avoid, but the other one I called into had another wait list. So, MCC it was. As suspected, the game was not very good. There were a couple of marks that I took advantage of but mostly it was filled with loose and really passive players with a few nitty players sprinkled in. I was by far the most aggressive player at the table.
I 3 bet KK twice and got a fold from AKs (:0) on one of them.
I'll post two hands from this session that I thought were interesting.
Good Hand
Folds to me on Btn with K
T. I raise to $12 (I'd been raising to $12 a lot earlier and had been increasing my raise size because I was starting to get a lot of calls). BB calls. He has quickly shown to be an ATC preflop player who has a hard time folding post. $$$$$$. He has about $300 to start. Flop: A
J8 ($25)V checks. I bet $17. He calls.
Questionable but not horrible given he has lots of undercard no pairs. Obviously getting called by pairs and draws.
Turn: A
J8Q ($61)V checks. I inwardly smile and bet $35. V thinks for a couple seconds and calls.
He can have baby flushes, and 2 pair. Probably even Ax
River: A
J8Q4 ($131)V checks. I bet $80. V deliberates for about 30 seconds and painfully calls showing A
Q. I fist pump several times yelling, "Ship it! In your face! You suck!" Bad Hand
V sat down about an hour ago. He has limped a bunch and not put any money in after that without at least top pair. He's pretty loose pre and extremely passive. He has $190
Preflop: Folds to V in LP who raises to $10. THis set alarm bells off. Folds to me in SB with K
K. I elect to 3bet to $40. All that I was thinking about at that moment was, "I have KK. I know he's got a big hand, I just hope it's QQ and I'm going to stack off because the SPR will be 2." Folds to V who contemplates for a few seconds and just calls. His range (which I knew in the unidiotic part of my brain was JJ+,AK. That's actually probably being generous.
Flop: Q
84 ($82)I bet $40. V raises to $85. I lol shove. He calls and of course shows AA. He then fist pumps several times yelling, "Ship it! In your face fish! You suck!"
If I was thinking straight I'd realize that this is a 100% check. I beat nothing that will call any bet. If I was going to cbet, I'd have to bet small (Got that part right). Once he raises, especially when it's not all in, I just have to fold. I knew he had AA or QQ. I did. Then I talked myself into thinking, "I don't know him well enough to say he doesn't have AQ (yes I did). I also talked myself into, "Overpair with an SPR of 2!" It doesn't matter if you are never ahead. I'm never ahead there. Poorly played.
I made one other bad call. I had top pair meh kicker vs a straddler who clearly did not believe anything i was doing. I bet 2 streets for value getting called the whole way. The river put a semi innocuous card on the board, and V donked into me for 1/3 pot. I reluctantly called as multiple flush and straight draws had missed. He had rivered a janked up 2p. I knew in the unidiotic part of my brain that he is never ever donking busted draws, especially for 1/3 pot. But "pot odds" and "He could be."
It was fun to get into a different player pool. They're terrible for different reasons. It actually might be good for me to play with them sometimes just so that I can work on my #1 leak-- Calling river bets. This pool is rarely if ever bluffing or thinly value betting any rivers. I can safely fold nearly 100% and profit.
I still crushed them pretty handily for the day, but I cost myself about $200 with bad calls. If I an clean that up I'll be crushing at a higher rate than my first 1000 hours.
Bank roll is still fine. Creeping back up toward the 20BI mark. Got some work to do to get to the goal of 30BI but I'm happy overall with the results so far.
I agree that you can check flop in hand 2, but how after an hour of playing with a guy limp/calling pre and playing TP+ post are you only putting him on QQ+ when he raises? It's just not nearly a big enough sample, so I don't think you need to beat yourself up about it. It's 100% a 3ball pre
09-07-2016
, 09:32 PM
09-07-2016
, 10:24 PM
09-08-2016
, 12:07 AM
Just found this thread and had to make an account on 2p2 to say how awesome it is. Been reading different sections for the past hour or so. I've been trying to build a bankroll online recently with mixed success. I think mostly due to some of the leaks that you've mentioned previously. Was hoping you'd be able to give me some tips and also things I can study (ie books etc) to really improve my game. 
09-08-2016
, 10:26 AM
09-08-2016
, 07:23 PM
Quote:
Just found this thread and had to make an account on 2p2 to say how awesome it is. Been reading different sections for the past hour or so. I've been trying to build a bankroll online recently with mixed success. I think mostly due to some of the leaks that you've mentioned previously. Was hoping you'd be able to give me some tips and also things I can study (ie books etc) to really improve my game.
Books to read:
Strategy: No Limit Holdem Theory and Practice
Online games: Crushing the Micros
Poker Psychology: Your Worst Poker Enemy
Live Poker Tells: Reading Poker Tells (two volumes)
Classics that you should read just because you play poker:
Super System
Caros Book of Tells
Another good psychology book is Tendler's Mental Game of Poker (Haven't read it) also people seem to like Tommy Angelo's Book but I haven't read it yet either.
There are tons of strategy books out there these days but most say similar things.
The best thing you can do is post hands and reply to threads in the micro stakes forums. That's free and it's what got me started in the right direction.
09-08-2016
, 08:07 PM
Quote:
Thanks man I appreciate it. Feel free to contribute to the thread.
Books to read:
Strategy: No Limit Holdem Theory and Practice
Online games: Crushing the Micros
Poker Psychology: Your Worst Poker Enemy
Live Poker Tells: Reading Poker Tells (two volumes)
Classics that you should read just because you play poker:
Super System
Caros Book of Tells
Another good psychology book is Tendler's Mental Game of Poker (Haven't read it) also people seem to like Tommy Angelo's Book but I haven't read it yet either.
There are tons of strategy books out there these days but most say similar things.
The best thing you can do is post hands and reply to threads in the micro stakes forums. That's free and it's what got me started in the right direction.
Books to read:
Strategy: No Limit Holdem Theory and Practice
Online games: Crushing the Micros
Poker Psychology: Your Worst Poker Enemy
Live Poker Tells: Reading Poker Tells (two volumes)
Classics that you should read just because you play poker:
Super System
Caros Book of Tells
Another good psychology book is Tendler's Mental Game of Poker (Haven't read it) also people seem to like Tommy Angelo's Book but I haven't read it yet either.
There are tons of strategy books out there these days but most say similar things.
The best thing you can do is post hands and reply to threads in the micro stakes forums. That's free and it's what got me started in the right direction.