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08-12-2017 , 05:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick93
Are you sure it's running bad and not the brutal rake? A player like you would be receiving around 6% RB from what I understand.


6% ?
I feel like I get 2% ^^
08-12-2017 , 06:37 PM
Yea I wasn't quite sure so I was being conservative but yea winning players probably get more along the lines of 2-5%
08-13-2017 , 10:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick93
Are you sure it's running bad and not the brutal rake? A player like you would be receiving around 6% RB from what I understand.
I was like 20bi down but now Im back in green. Still too soon to say
how much of an impact it will have on my game. Usually never depended
on RB but on the other side, its a big chunk taken out of my pocket as well.

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Meanwhile

Fold equity:
https://www.boomplayer.com/24897464_01192955C5

Spoiler:
U always have some!
08-13-2017 , 10:23 PM
Lmao! Must've hurt to see you shove for that last 2 bb. Cue the rage quit
08-13-2017 , 10:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick93
Lmao! Must've hurt to see you shove for that last 2 bb. Cue the rage quit
Maybe it was just a disciplined laydown
08-14-2017 , 03:41 AM
Lmfao that is the funniest ****. Straight to the redline Tyvm
08-14-2017 , 06:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by meale
Lmfao that is the funniest ****. Straight to the redline Tyvm
All about that red line! I remember feeling way better losing with a good red line.
08-18-2017 , 10:15 AM
Crazy 1st sesh today.



Stuck 7bi after 25 minutes - not a fun place to be in.
Day is still long however

Reg taking a stand:

https://www.boomplayer.com/24938130_2F87E07AE4

Should never raise turn but since I "never" fold ppl getting paranoid kinda.

Last edited by Oro-Ja-Njivu; 08-18-2017 at 10:33 AM.
08-18-2017 , 12:11 PM
Nothing better than getting out of the hole right at the end of a swingy sesh!!! GJ
08-18-2017 , 12:22 PM
Absolutely preach clanty. Just ended up $600 after being down $1500 most the night.

Also v wp with the 99 hand oro, love it.
08-18-2017 , 07:27 PM
You probably levelled him by raising the turn since youve got zero raising range in that spot. Sick shove by villain though jesus.
08-18-2017 , 09:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clanty
Nothing better than getting out of the hole right at the end of a swingy sesh!!! GJ
-And how! Surely one of my more memorable days.
Finished 7bi up.

-Good job meale!

-@Maverick
I just dont know what he was thinking - maybe tilt.
His double barrel is very questionable already but if u wanna jam
dont do it with a bluffcatcher. When called he has pretty much 0%.
08-18-2017 , 09:42 PM
A double barrel is questionable but definitely not terrible. C/c flop and turn seems decent as long as he's balanced there.

As played, if I were in villains shoes, your line would have tilted the **** out of me. I know you don't have a raising range there, but you know that I know you don't have a raising range there. Oh the levels. I'd probably be inclined to call turn but chicken out and fold :/
08-19-2017 , 10:11 AM
Imo his turn cbet is fine albeit a bit too big, and having a raising range is fine too. Curious to hear why you guys hate it so much.
08-19-2017 , 11:39 AM
As ak is a bluff catcher. No better hands raise fold here.


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08-19-2017 , 12:48 PM
im not talking about his 3betting range but about oros turn raising range
08-19-2017 , 12:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Godden
im not talking about his 3betting range but about oros turn raising range
You typically wouldn't have a raising range in that spot since villains range is uncapped and your range is capped. You only have a couple of nutted combos in this spot and the majority of your range wants to call the turn here. Bear in mind you would be calling the turn with weaker sdv hands aswell, so you'd need to protect this range by calling turn with nutted hands like 99. Raising on a board like this polarizes your range to nuts or air and villain got levelled into playing back at op. villain knew that op had no raising range here. What villain didn't know was that oro knows this aswell, and villain essentially got out levelled. Good play by Oro when all is said and done, but bear in mind he almost never raises turn here (I'm assuming). That's why villain played back, because Oro never has anything other than the nuts or air in this spot. That's also why I think his raise is so terrible.
08-19-2017 , 09:17 PM
Ill just stick to monstertilt - no other way to explain it.
Speaking of which.. another reg just made this call.

    Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    Hero (SB): $290.92 (145.5 bb)
    BB: $241.58 (120.8 bb)
    UTG: $139.98 (70 bb)
    MP: $247.21 (123.6 bb)
    CO: $863.67 (431.8 bb)
    BTN: $273.41 (136.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with Q Q
    3 folds, BTN raises to $7, Hero raises to $19, BB raises to $39, BTN calls $32, Hero raises to $290.92 and is all-in, BB calls $202.58 and is all-in, BTN folds

    Flop: ($522.16) J 6 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    Turn: ($522.16) Q (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: ($522.16) 4 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $522.16 pot ($2.75 rake)
    Final Board: J 6 5 Q 4
    Hero showed Q Q and won $519.41 ($277.83 net)
    BB showed J K and lost (-$241.58 net)


    Spoiler:
    I'm still in shock.
    08-19-2017 , 09:25 PM
    Lol^

    And also regarding my previous post at the end when I say "his raise is terrible" I'm referring to villain not op
    08-19-2017 , 09:39 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Maverick93
    Lol^

    And also regarding my previous post at the end when I say "his raise is terrible" I'm referring to villain not op
    Dun worry
    I think we are all better off controling tilt when U look at how much WR
    goes to weste only there. No coach, membership, study can compensate
    for tilt and discussing advanced concepts and balance becomes almost
    meaningless (as long as these are our daily opponents).

    I do go with the exploitative strat depending of how much my opponents allow
    it, so that 99 raise wasnt really much of a level - but more of an exploit or
    call it greed If u like.
    Sure if I always raise my river range will suffer but this is was 200+bb pot.
    In a 100bb Im pretty sure Im never ever raising.
    Im not worried to open myself up for exploatation either because if someone
    starts doing it - unless he does it in a very sophisticated way - im very likely
    going to notice and then ofc we go back to a more balanced approach.
    But seeing all these blunders on a daily basis including some of my own
    makes me a firm believer that we are VERY VERY VEEEEEEERY FAR from
    optimal play (talking 200z) and Ill always take 6/100 above 3/100
    even if that means that my game wil contain plenty of "leaks".
    It still takes someone to go ahead and take advantage of it and even if
    such villain comes along - so what..
    As a former friend used to say: Even though the bear suffers a few stings,
    he still gets his honey

    08-20-2017 , 12:05 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Maverick93
    You typically wouldn't have a raising range in that spot since villains range is uncapped and your range is capped. You only have a couple of nutted combos in this spot and the majority of your range wants to call the turn here. Bear in mind you would be calling the turn with weaker sdv hands aswell, so you'd need to protect this range by calling turn with nutted hands like 99. Raising on a board like this polarizes your range to nuts or air and villain got levelled into playing back at op. villain knew that op had no raising range here. What villain didn't know was that oro knows this aswell, and villain essentially got out levelled. Good play by Oro when all is said and done, but bear in mind he almost never raises turn here (I'm assuming). That's why villain played back, because Oro never has anything other than the nuts or air in this spot. That's also why I think his raise is so terrible.

    None of this is true theoretically except that 99 is the worst hand to raise the turn with. It amazes me with how much certainty such statements can be made though. ( No offense and not talking about the exploitative dynamics that are apparently going on)
    08-20-2017 , 12:44 AM
    ^You asked for my reasoning and I took a decent amount of time to explain it to you. You turn around and tell me everything I've said is wrong and back it up with what exactly? Offense taken. Idk how much experience you have at the 100z+ tables but then again you haven't really made a proper statement of your own. Also, I said you typically don't have a raising range Ott here. We don't have ops reads/stats on villain, so ofc we can't say what exactly is the most +ev play in this specific situation. I was more stating a case vs an unknown villain in a vacuum because that's all the info we have. I'd like you to explain your thoughts so I can find out why I'm completely wrong, if you were willing.

    Edit: I'd genuinely like an answer, we all can improve

    And @oro

    I totally agree. I sort of covered this in my response above but yes I'd definitely lean more towards exploitative given we have a sufficient sample size. My experience at 200z is limited but at 100z it's definitely not the most +ev to play a pure GTO style, I'd assume it's somewhat similar at the next level

    Last edited by Maverick93; 08-20-2017 at 01:01 AM.
    08-20-2017 , 10:37 PM
    Things are looking good approaching that 100k mark. (200z only)
    Too bad I spewed so much during my 1st two attempts.
    Hopefully towards the end of the year I got my game all ready for 500







    At least its safe to say Im beating this game;

    08-20-2017 , 11:53 PM
    Sick graph wp!
    08-21-2017 , 11:45 AM
    Thank you, althoug its prolly not sustainable. But Ill try my very best to keep it over 5/100.
    Will evaluate again when I hit 200k.

          
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