Hi everybody,
Its time for a new challange, i had my good run at Betsafe (Ongame) in december making $30>$2230

Since then I had tilted a lot, because of my Ex GF but thats the past.
I have been playing little on and off, depositing $200 on FTP to think I can beat the Rush, but i failed.. Lost some BI and gave it up and tilted the rest away.

I now have a new GF, wich will not bitch while im playing, so I´m up to a new challange.

My Idea is to deposit $200 BUT I DONT KNOW WHERE TO DEPOSIT. Maybe Ongame again?

I will have like 1-3 Hours each day to play my lovely Poker

So please give me a realistic Challange I can Do.

SnG Grinding?
Cash Grinding?

$200 is not to start with but im willing to play low stakes to have a proper BRM.

So if people could give me any Idea of a good BRM in SnG or Cash please be free to give some hints.

Background.
have been playing online for 2 years.
Had read Dan Harrington on Hold ´em Vol 1-3
Have seen a lot of coaching videos from DC, Stox, Pokeruni etc.
played 1 year in a row everyday for around 8 hours, so I think i know a little about the game.

I can multitable 4 tables without getting crazy

My bad sign must be the patience, when i Tilt. This I need to beat

My stats on Ongame: Callmynuts24

Hopefully there is some kind people wich can get me a challange wich I can look forward to

With Kind Regards
Mio Denmark

Do kickback bonuses. You'll grow your roll very fast and $200 is more than enough to get started. Check the "Internet Bonuses" forum for more info.

The challenge is to register with a new room every 1, 2, 3 weeks and adjust to new software and opponents. But the rewards will more than make up for that.

Please give me an Idea for a proper BRM in cash and sng. So I dont bust to earli? and maybe some usefull links for the bonus "whoring" hehe

30BI and go down when hitting 25BI?

There are mainly 4 pages that offer kickback bonuses:

- Regalos Poker
- Boogster
- Poker Source
- Poker Savvy

If you google "Poker Kickback Bonuses", the first link will be a page comparing these kickback bonuses. But I would suggest to use that page only as a rough guideline and do some calculations on your own.

I don't play cash, so I'm not sure how many buy-ins you'll need. With $200, I would start with NL10 and move up to NL25 once I hit $500. I think this is a quite aggressive approach, but gives you the opportunity to move up quickly to a stake where bonuses start to clear considerable fast.

Thanks for the beautiful reply.
Im much better at sng then Cash. So if I choice to grind Sng. How will you make a BRM of $200?

posted by Jenifear on pocketfives.com

Think this is a conservative approach, so if u want to have a more aggressive brm, you can start with 3$ sng's (6 max 9 max or 18 max) (I prefer the 18 max ones). Move up to 6$ (9 max,18 max,45max) when u get to 400-500. Move up to 12$ 16$ when you 600 -700$ (9 max,18 max,45max, 180max) . With 1 k, u can dip ur toes in the 27$ (16 max or 45 max), but move down if u find them harder to beat or lose 5 BI in a row. With 1.5k play the 27$ (if u can beat the game) and throw in a couple of 36$ 180max for the big score.

TIP: Rape them on the bubble. Run my stack from 4k to 12k on the bubble constantly, unless someone busts early in the 3$ and 6$ sng's especially

There is no easy answer to this questions. It all depends on

- how many risks you are willing to take
- what SNGs are offered and running
- how much rake needs to be paid

Every page offers $5.50 SNGs and most pages charge more than 10% for anything lower than that. So if there are SNGs lower than $5.50 with the rake not being much more than 10%, I would start there (for example, Microgaming used to have $2.50+0.25 games). If the rake is extraordinarily high I would start with $5.50 (for iPoker, every SNG lower than $5.50 has a rake of 20%). I hope that makes sense...

@MMagicM
Thanks for the big afford I really appreciate that.
If you have some time, it will be very nice if you could help me finding the best way to get those kickback bonuses, and some nice rake-back deals.

My GF is not registred anywhere so she is a new fresh player

I dont get what this kickback bonus are. I have been looking at this site:

Tuesday, June 1, 2010
PokerSavvy - free money
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1 - visit PokerSavvy using this link: PokerSavvy
2 - register your new PokerSavvy account
3 - send me an e-mail to: ovchica@ymail.com and confirm your Savvy username. Your e-mail address will be used only to pay you back and it will not be sold or given to someone else
4 - start clearing PokerSavvy kickback bonuses
5 - you will receive $15 for every kickback bonus you finish with PokerSavvy
6 - minimum payments: $30
7 - payments only on your request to your PokerStars or FullTilt account
8 - this promotion replaces all previous promotions and is valid for all new PokerSavvy users registered through my links after September 1st 2009

-I can send you the free money to your FullTilt Poker or PokerStars account (or any other poker room where I have enough funds).




Can somebody pls explain me what this is about? Im getting confused.

I make a deal with pokersavvy, then i make an account on ex. Fulltilt and get 100% bonus, then what? Do I get some Rake back? dont get it

Forget about rakeback deals for the moment. Just keep in mind to not sign-up for a page withouth rakeback, where you might want to get rakeback at a later point (Full Tilt comes to mind).

A kickback deal works like this:

1) You sign-up for a room via one of the kickback providers (i.e. you need to be tracked through them!).
2) You meet the requirements.
3) You receive points from the provider which you can exchance for money or gifts.
4) You receive a part of the sign-up bonus from the room.
5) As soon as the requirements of the kickback bonus are met you move to the next room (you do NOT clear the whole sign-up bonus as offered by the room!)

Let's look at an example to make this more clear:

We would like to sign-up for Titan Poker via Poker Savvy. To meet the requirements, you need to get 2000 Titan Poker Points. According to the Titan Poker homepage, you receive 17 points for every $1 rake paid (assuming you play tournaments). Hence, to receive the kickback bonus, you need to pay 2000/17 ~= $118 rake. Having done this, you get 1000 Savvy Points which are worth $100. On top of this, for every 600 points accumulated, you receive $5 bonus from Titan Poker. 2000/600 = 3.3, i.e. you will get $15 for 1800 points. In total, you will receive $100 from Poker Savvy and $15 from Titan Poker for a total of $115. Comparing this to the rake you paid, you will receive $115 bonus / $118 rake ~= 97.5% rakeback. Not too shabby if you ask me.

This is only an example and there are a couple of other things you need to keep in mind:

1) some providers offer extras for specific rooms (5-10% more points), they have points races, some will give you tokens for tournaments and so on
2) It does make sense to have a look at the VIP program of the room. Some rooms give more points per rake paid after having met a certain threshold. Or they have other promotions running which you can participate in (rake-free days, rake races, tokens for freerolls etc.)
3) Other providers might offer a better deal than Poker Savvy. To make sure you get the best deal, you need to calculate the rakeback perentages for all offers out there to make an informed decision. The problem is, that the highest rakeback is not always the best deal (e.g. I would rather get $100 bonus for $100 rake (100%) than $50 bonus for $45 rake (111%)).

This is a confusing topic at first and I stronlgy suggest you take some time (maybe even a couple of days) to make sure you fully grasp the concept.

@MMagicM
I have some questions for you my friend

Question 1
5) As soon as the requirements of the kickback bonus are met you move to the next room (you do NOT clear the whole sign-up bonus as offered by the room!)

Why should´t I clear the whole sign-up bonus as offered by the room?
How do I know if the kickback bonus is met?

Question 2
Other providers might offer a better deal than Poker Savvy. To make sure you get the best deal, you need to calculate the rakeback perentages for all offers out there to make an informed decision. The problem is, that the highest rakeback is not always the best deal (e.g. I would rather get $100 bonus for $100 rake (100%) than $50 bonus for $45 rake (111%)).

Why would you rather get a deal with 100% instead of 111%?



I will start my project shortly, I just need a kick start and a bit more aggressiv BRM at the small stakes up to $20 SnGs, where I feel my A game is

It should be a mixture of the BRM IDEA wich was posted by Jenifear on pocketfives.com

it means 6max, FR, 18/27/45 perhaps more? and of cause some HU.

example:
Proper Bankroll Management Minimums:

$65 - $2 STTs
$90 - $2.20 18-man
$128 - $2.20 45-man,
$130 - $3.30 STTs
$210 - $5.25 HU
$215 - $5.50 STTs

pls correct me
but
Something like that. If i have less then $128 i play $2.20 18-man and so on.

If you can help me to configure an exiting and effective BRM wich dosent kill me with the same type of game all the time I will be very Thankfull.

Question 3.
Let say you where a new player to poker, wich site would you start with your project?
What kind of deals should I take f.eks.:

Full Tilt Poker - 100% up to $600 Sign-up Bonus + 12000 PSO Points or Nevada Jacks

via PokerSourceOnline


Optimum Bonus: $15 + 12000 PSO Points = $135
Optimum Clear Rate: 378%
Maximum Bonus: $600 + 12000 PSO Points = $720
Clear Rate: 50%

Other providers of Kickback Bonuses on Full Tilt Poker:
Full Tilt Poker via PokerSavvy
100% up to $600 Sign-up Bonus + 1150 SavvyPoints
Optimum Clear Rate: 254%
Full Tilt Poker via RegalosPoker
100% up to $600 Sign-up Bonus + 1300 RegalosPoints
Optimum Clear Rate: 132%
Full Tilt Poker via Boogster
100% up to $600 Sign-up Bonus + 4000 Boogster Points
Optimum Clear Rate: 97%

Recommended for: NL10 - NL25 - NL50 - NL100+ - Tournaments
Show more deals on Full Tilt Poker


Qustion 4:
What about Rakeback deals when I make Kickback bonus deals? Is that possible?

I really dont want to screw up When I have the chance to start from scratch with a bigger knowledge for the game.


THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME

Kind Regards
Mio from Denmark

Which of these deals should I take and Why? Does it effect If I like to play on FTP later with a Rakeback Deal?

Basic Site Info
Full Tilt Poker via PokerSavvy
Network: Full Tilt Poker
Traffic: High-Very High
This deal was last updated: 2010-03-25 14:08:23
Kickback Bonus Information
Bonus type: 100% up to $600 Sign-up Bonus + 1150 SavvyPoints

Data based on tournament play:

Optimum Bonus: $22 + 1150 SavvyPoints* = $137*
Requirements: 375 Full Tilt Points (Scroll down to view how to earn Full Tilt Points - you can earn enough points with $54 in Tournament Fees, for example)
Deposit amount: Make a first deposit of exactly $110
Time limit: 120 days, Bonus is released in increments of $11 per 183 Full Tilt Points
Clear Rate: 254%

Maximum Bonus: $600 + 1150 SavvyPoints = $700*
Requirements: 10,000 Full Tilt Points (Scroll down to view how to earn Full Tilt Points - you can earn enough points with $1429 in Tournament Fees, for example)
Deposit amount: At least $600
Time limit: 120 days, Bonus is released in increments of $20 per 333.34 Full Tilt Points
Clear Rate: 49%


Basic Site Info
Full Tilt Poker via RegalosPoker
Network: Full Tilt Poker
Traffic: High-Very High
This deal was last updated: 2010-05-28 00:50:10
Kickback Bonus Information
Bonus type: 100% up to $600 Sign-up Bonus + 1300 RegalosPoints

Data based on tournament play:

Optimum Bonus: $30 + 1300 RegalosPoints = $95*
Requirements: 500 Full Tilt Points (Scroll down to view how to earn Full Tilt Points - you can earn enough points with $72 in Tournament Fees, for example)
Deposit amount: Make a first deposit of exactly $75, $100 or $150
Time limit: 60 days for RegalosPoints Bonus.
For regular bonus: 120 days, Bonus is released in increments of $7.50, $10 or $15 per 125, 167 or 250 Full Tilt Points
Clear Rate: 132%

Maximum Bonus: $600 + 1300 RegalosPoints = $665*
Requirements: 10,000 Full Tilt Points (Scroll down to view how to earn Full Tilt Points - you can earn enough points with $1429 in Tournament Fees, for example)
Deposit amount: At least $600
Time limit: 60 days for RegalosPoints Bonus.
For regular bonus: 120 days, Bonus is released in increments of $20 per 333.34 Full Tilt Points
Clear Rate: 47%




Basic Site Info
Full Tilt Poker via Boogster
Network: Full Tilt Poker
Traffic: High-Very High
This deal was last updated: 2010-05-25 22:50:48
Kickback Bonus Information
Bonus type: 100% up to $600 Sign-up Bonus + 4000 Boogster Points

Data based on tournament play:

Optimum Bonus: $30 + 4000 Boogster Points = $70*
Requirements: 500 Full Tilt Points (Scroll down to view how to earn Full Tilt Points - you can earn enough points with $72 in Tournament Fees, for example)
Deposit amount: Make a first deposit of about $150
Time limit: 120 days, Bonus is released in increments of $15 per 250 Full Tilt Points
Clear Rate: 97%

Maximum Bonus: $600 + 4000 Boogster Points = $640*
Requirements: 10,000 Full Tilt Points (Scroll down to view how to earn Full Tilt Points - you can earn enough points with $1429 in Tournament Fees, for example)
Deposit amount: At least $600
Time limit: 120 days, Bonus is released in increments of $20 per 333.34 Full Tilt Points
Clear Rate: 45%

The number of points required to get the kickback bonus are published on the provider's page for each room. For Titan Poker via Poker Savvy, the column "Play Requirements" reads "Deposit $50 and earn 2000 Titan Poker Points." This means, you'll need to accumulate 2000 points to get the 1000 SavvyPoints.

The kickback bonus offers a much better rakeback than the room bonus. The essence of kickback bonus whoring is to meet the requirements for the kickback bonus and move to the next room. The longer you stay in the same room (i.e. continue to clear the room bonus after you finished the kickback bonus), the worse the deal gets. The optimum is to clear the kickback and get your ass out there asap ;-)

This sounds backwards, but does make sense from time to time. The deal offering "only" 100% is only marginally worse than 111%, but you will get a bigger kickback bonus ($100 instead of $50). In general, if a provider offers a considerable bigger bonus at a slighly worse rate, I would still go for it.

Most networks don't offer the amount and diversity of games as Full Tilt and Stars are able to. If possible, I would stick with the same game (i.e. table size and speed) across all networks/rooms. The safest for your $200 bankroll might be 1 table, $5.50, normal speed, full ring. That's only 36 buy-ins, but the competition will be quite weak and the slow speed allows to wait patiently for good hands.

The bigger the room/network, the higher you will be able to play. Hence, you should clear the kickback bonuses at the smaller rooms first. www.pokerscout.com has a list of all rooms/networks ordered by size. This list is based on cash game players, but is a good indication nonetheless.

Normally, if you sign-up for a kickback deal, you will not be able to get rakeback as well. This should only be a concern for Full Tilt which you shouldn't play in the beginning anyway (see above).

That one is easy: Poker Savvy - biggest bonus and highest rakeback (Clear Rate). I'm wondering, why you didn't list "Poker Source Online" as well:

That deal is even better than the one offered by Poker Savvy! Apart from that: Don't do Full Tilt now. Save it for later, you might want to get rakeback.

And one more thing: As I said before, you should use the "Kickback Bonus" page only as a rough guideline and do some calculations on your own. Sometimes, there are errors in their calculations. Or the deals are not up to date. And as an added benefit, doing some of the math on your own will help you understand the concept better.

@ MMagicM
Thank you so much again for your response, wished I knew you IRL

Regarding BRM, so you mean I should only be playing $5.50 HU/6MAX/FR? or can you help me to make a more variant BRM, wich is more exiting. Like.

I will try to multitable 2-4 depends how much I can handle.

$200 Play $5,50 6MAX
$250 Play $5,50 FR/18/27/45
$300 Play all above and $5,5 HU

after hitting the bonus from the kickback I´m out as you told me.

Regarding Rakeback, I should just stay away from the good deals until I finish all the kickback bonusses wich are avaible?

Thank you so much again.

It will be exiting enough to switch rooms every other week and adjust to the changing opponents, software, colors etc.

You will have greater success, if you stick to one form of SNG instead of switching the game all the time. For me, it's much more exiting to beat "my" game with a ROI of more than 10% instead of hovering around break even trying out different stuff.

And in the smaller networks, there will not be as many different games running as you would like to. Forget about anything with more than 1 table for instance. These only run at Stars and Full Tilt.

One more time I want to thank you very much, I now feel ready to jump out in a new project of bonus whoring

Just need to look up wich sites I should go after, and use the kickbackbonus.com as a rough Guide.

I will make an update by my play, and do some stats of cause

No problem at all. I'm sitting at work at the moment and am bored as hell. But don't tell my boss ;-)

I will Like to clear the 888.com Bonus as my first bonus whoring, which of these deals are the best one and why? What should I be aware of to be sure to get the best deal?


via PokerSavvy
Optimum Bonus: $100 + 1150* SavvyPoints = $215

Optimum Clear Rate: 215%
Maximum Bonus: $100 + $300 + 1150 SavvyPoints = $515
Clear Rate: 35%

via PokerSourceOnline
Optimum Bonus: $100 + 12000 PSO Points = $220

Optimum Clear Rate: 147%
Maximum Bonus: $100 + $300 + 12000 PSO Points = $520
Clear Rate: 35%

via Boogster
Optimum Bonus: $100 + 14000 Boogster Points = $240

Optimum Clear Rate: 157%
Maximum Bonus: $100 + $300 + 14000 Boogster Points = $540
Clear Rate: 35%

make $100K from 20 dollars :-)

Even though Boogster has the biggest bonus ($240 vs $215 and $220), the bonus offered by Poker Savvy has by far the best Clear Rate (215% vs 147% and 157%).

I would go with Poker Savvy.

But why don't you start with another room? There are several other promotions that offer an even better rate: Betfair up to 289%, PKR up to 268% etc.

Wondering when I look at the bonus, if I deposit 200$ i get only the $100+$15 or do I get $200+$15?

Well it dosent matter wich one first, I will take PKR and Betfair next time

The order does matter! The Betfair kickback only requires you to pay $38 rake compared to $100 needed for Pacific/888.

If you do Pacific first, you will need to pay the $100 rake playing $5.50 SNGs. But if you do Betfair first, you only need to pay $38 rake with $5.50's and might even be able to play $11's when clearing Pacific.

Alright it looks like your right again
But let say I deposit $200 on Betfair and start clearing the kickback bonus.
How much Bonus do I score, when The Betfair kickback only requires you to pay $38 rake??

Should I continue to clear twice as much when I deposit $200? or is $100 bonus the biggest win for me?

Okay I made a plan for the first 5 bonus projects


Betfair Poker - $50, $500 or $1500 Sign-up Bonus + 950 SavvyPoints
via PokerSavvy

Optimum Bonus: $15 + 950* SavvyPoints = $110
Optimum Clear Rate: 289%
Maximum Bonus: $1500 + 950 SavvyPoints = $1595
Clear Rate: 69%

Recommended for: NL10 - NL25 - NL50 - NL100+ - Tournaments
Show more deals on Betfair Poker


PKR - 100% up to $800 Sign-up Bonus + 9000 PSO Points
via PokerSourceOnline

Optimum Bonus: $17 + 9000 PSO Points = $107
Optimum Clear Rate: 268%
Maximum Bonus: $800 + 9000 PSO Points = $890
Clear Rate: 49%

Recommended for: NL10 - NL25 - NL50 - NL100+ - Tournaments
Show more deals on PKR


Hollywood Poker - Choice of Sign-up Bonus + 2500 RegalosPoints
via RegalosPoker

Optimum Bonus: $75 + 2500 RegalosPoints = $200
Optimum Clear Rate: 267%
Maximum Bonus: $5000 + 2500 RegalosPoints = $5125
Clear Rate: 26%

Recommended for: NL10 - NL25 - NL50 - NL100+ - Tournaments
Show more deals on Hollywood Poker (include all OnGame/Bwin Network skins)


888.com
Pacific Poker - 100% up to $400 Sign-up Bonus + 1150 SavvyPoints
via PokerSavvy

Optimum Bonus: $100 + 1150* SavvyPoints = $215

Optimum Clear Rate: 215%
Maximum Bonus: $100 + $300 + 1150 SavvyPoints = $515
Clear Rate: 35%

GNUF Poker - 100% up to $500 Sign-up Bonus + 850 SavvyPoints
via PokerSavvy

Optimum Bonus: $28 + 850* SavvyPoints = $113
Optimum Clear Rate: 246%
Maximum Bonus: $500 + 850 SavvyPoints = $585
Clear Rate: 73%

Recommended for: NL10 - NL25 - NL50 - NL100+ - Tournaments
Show more deals on GNUF Poker (include all Prima/Microgaming Network skins)


Is this a good start?

I was confused by the last promotion because, there is to interestning one give more bonus then the other one.

GNUF Poker - 100% up to $500 Sign-up Bonus + 850 SavvyPoints
via PokerSavvy

Optimum Bonus: $28 + 850* SavvyPoints = $113
Optimum Clear Rate: 246%
Maximum Bonus: $500 + 850 SavvyPoints = $585
Clear Rate: 73%

Recommended for: NL10 - NL25 - NL50 - NL100+ - Tournaments
Show more deals on GNUF Poker (include all Prima/Microgaming Network skins)


GNUF Poker - 100% up to $1000 Sign-up Bonus + 12000 PSO Points or Nevada Jacks
via PokerSourceOnline

Optimum Bonus: $45 + 12000 PSO Points = $165
Optimum Clear Rate: 226%
Maximum Bonus: $1000 + 12000 PSO Points = $1120
Clear Rate: 70%

Recommended for: NL10 - NL25 - NL50 - NL100+ - Tournaments
Show more deals on GNUF Poker (include all Prima/Microgaming Network skins)




Optimum Clear Rate: 246% vs 226%
Optimum Bonus: $28 + 850* SavvyPoints = $113 vs Optimum Bonus: $45 + 12000 PSO Points = $165
Maximum Bonus: $500 + 850 SavvyPoints = $585
Clear Rate: 73% vs Maximum Bonus: $1000 + 12000 PSO Points = $1120
Clear Rate: 70%


As I look I get more Optimum Bonus with PokerSourceOnline then Savy But the Optimum Clear Rate: 246% vs 226% here wins Savy

The Clear rate Savy wins again with 73% vs 70%

and again, if i deposit $200 should I make twice as many points, and then I gent twice my deposit in Bonus?