Cool vid. I think I'm not over thinking it though. I've already made the decision and it's done. All that's happening now is getting together finances - I actually have very little doubt about ability or whether I can be successful or not. But I do think it would be foolish to rush into it without the bank/life roll to do it right.

Some hands:

1:

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BB: $53.37
Hero (UTG): $67.18
MP: $50.75
CO: $41.54
BTN: $72.92
SB: $64.87

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with T T
Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, CO calls $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, SB raises to $7.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $6, 2 folds

Flop: ($18.50) 6 J 5 (2 players)
SB bets $57.37 all in, Hero calls $57.37

Turn: ($133.24) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($133.24) K (2 players - 1 is all in)



2. vs tilted jap

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (BB): $57.45
UTG: $25.00
MP: $28.58
CO: $25.00
BTN: $41.02
SB: $26.50

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with K A
2 folds, CO raises to $0.63, BTN calls $0.63, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.10, 1 fold, BTN calls $2.47

Flop: ($6.93) T A 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.44, BTN calls $3.44

Turn: ($13.81) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $8.80, BTN raises to $34.48 all in, Hero calls $25.68

River: ($82.77) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)



3.

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 3 players
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BTN: $25.00
Hero (SB): $49.81
BB: $26.35

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with A T
BTN raises to $0.62, Hero raises to $2.12, 1 fold, BTN calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.49) 4 5 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.23, BTN calls $2.23

Turn: ($8.95) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $3, Hero raises to $9, BTN calls $6

River: ($26.95) T (2 players)
Hero bets $36.46 all in, BTN calls $11.65 all in

Some more lol hands from today:

1. Standard cc pre...

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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Hero (SB): $68.20
BB: $66.84
UTG: $51.00
UTG+1: $50.44
UTG+2: $48.46
MP1: $53.14
MP2: $50.00
CO: $52.55
BTN: $50.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with A A
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1.25, UTG+2 calls $1.25, 4 folds, Hero raises to $6.25, BB calls $5.75, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $5

Flop: ($20.00) 2 3 8 (3 players)
Hero bets $6.46, BB calls $6.46, UTG+2 folds

Turn: ($32.92) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $16.26, BB raises to $54.13 all in, Hero calls $37.87

River: ($141.18) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)



2.

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BTN: $50.71
Hero (SB): $50.25
BB: $50.00
UTG: $64.88
MP: $53.66
CO: $28.65

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with J T
UTG raises to $1.25, MP calls $1.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, UTG calls $4.75, MP calls $4.75

Flop: ($18.50) Q T 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50, UTG folds

Turn: ($31.50) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($31.50) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $14.96, Hero calls $14.96



3. Standard snapcall otr lmao

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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CO: $81.80
Hero (BTN): $107.57
SB: $46.96
BB: $35.67
UTG: $110.78

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with 7 K
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, 1 fold, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.75) 3 A 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.89, BB calls $0.89

Turn: ($4.53) 7 (2 players)
BB bets $4.30, Hero calls $4.30

River: ($13.13) Q (2 players)
BB bets $12.47, Hero raises to $49.88, BB calls $16.76 all in

#redlinewarriors

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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BTN: $50.00
SB: $56.93
Hero (BB): $62.36
UTG: $38.59
CO: $63.59

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 8 8
2 folds, BTN raises to $1.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5, BTN calls $3.50

Flop: ($10.25) T 4 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.75, BTN raises to $12, Hero calls $8.25

Turn: ($34.25) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $16.50, Hero raises to $45.36 all in, BTN folds



Prob shudda gone bigger:

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG: $50.75
MP: $40.00
CO: $94.13
Hero (BTN): $66.60
SB: $39.00
BB: $50.00

MP posts a big blind ($0.50)

Pre Flop: ($1.25) Hero is BTN with Q K
1 fold, MP checks, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.25, 2 folds, MP calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.25) K T 2 (2 players)
MP bets $1.50, Hero raises to $5, MP calls $3.50

Turn: ($15.25) 7 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $8, MP calls $8

River: ($31.25) 6 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $10.09, MP calls $10.09



vs reg:

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
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BTN: $50.00
SB: $63.67
BB: $50.00
Hero (CO): $113.38

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with J J
Hero raises to $1.38, 2 folds, BB calls $0.88

Flop: ($3.01) Q 5 Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.49, BB calls $1.49

Turn: ($5.99) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.93, BB raises to $5.50, Hero calls $3.57

River: ($16.99) 2 (2 players)
BB bets $13, Hero calls $13



vs flop timing tell:

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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MP1: $54.61
MP2: $53.74
CO: $47.32
BTN: $55.30
SB: $80.74
BB: $18.48
UTG: $50.25
Hero (UTG+1): $58.58

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG+1 with A K
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.50, 3 folds, BTN raises to $5.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $12.25, BTN calls $7

Flop: ($25.25) Q T T (2 players)
Hero bets $8.16, BTN calls $8.16

Turn: ($41.57) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $38.17 all in, BTN folds



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Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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CO: $52.50
BTN: $70.25
SB: $70.20
BB: $31.51
Hero (UTG): $55.19
UTG+1: $50.00
MP1: $51.50
MP2: $50.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with K Q
Hero raises to $1.50, UTG+1 calls $1.50, 5 folds, BB calls $1

Flop: ($4.75) 8 T 7 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.50, UTG+1 folds, BB calls $2.50

Turn: ($9.75) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5.75, BB calls $5.75

River: ($21.25) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $22, BB folds

UPDATE!

I finally did it! I quit my job on Tuesday of last week. It was quite an anxious moment tbf, but felt amazing after the deed was done. By law, I only had to give 1 week's notice but because I'm grateful for what they've given me and because I know they'd struggle with such a small amount of notice, I decided to give them 4 weeks notice. Actually I legitimately can't remember if I resigned last Tuesday or the week before - I THINK my final day is Aug 3 or 4, but still have a couple to three weeks left. Which is good since it will give me a bit extra GTD cash.

Money Situation:

So here's how we're situated. I have $15.5k in the bank, about $1.6k in cash, about $800 coming through today from salary, and within the next fortnight, another $2.3k coming in from my tax return. That right there is a little over $20k which, for those who've been following attentively, will know was my "golden number" I wanted before I quit my job. I also have a few other "assets" which I'll be selling over the next couple months which will amount to ~$2k. I also have my car which I can get rid of for another $2k ish but I THINK I'll want to keep that with me.

I had originally planned to save $20-25k and THEN quit my job but decided to jump the gun a little early. Things at work have been less than pleasant and it's been draining the life from me every day. The plan was to save 20-25k, insta move down to Melbourne and begin grinding professionally. However, I've modified this plan a little.

Current Gameplan:

Once I finish my last day at work, I'll want to save roughly another $8k from playing poker full time - I'll do that here in Brisbane because it'll be cheaper and if variance isn't a complete *****, it should be quicker than working at my job. The purpose of this $8k is to ensure the transition to Melbourne is seamless and doesn't leave me with less than the $20k I want as a minimum from day 1 in Melbourne. There are some things I will need: a new phone (my current phone is shutting down @ 29% battery every ****int day and it's extremely tilting), so there's $500 for that. I'll want a pair of Bose over-ear headphones ($400) for the Melbourne grind as well. Obv the climate in Brisbane is very different to Melbourne so I'll need some warmer clothes (~$400), I'll need to pay bond up front when moving to my new place which could be maybe $800? I'll want to do a recon trip maybe a weekend before moving down, just to suss out a few different living options and find a good place, so flights/accom maybe ~$300 for that, then there's the actual move - I imagine I'll drive down with my car, it's a 2 day drive but then I may also want to take a moving truck with me with some ****, idk? Maybe another $200 for that. So the "cost of moving" and getting settled in is roughly $2.6k. I also think it'd be nice to not have to begin grinding immediately once I get to Melbourne - so maybe a week's "holiday" - a week off to get settled in, explore the city, party, meet a few locals etc. A full week of hedonism and catharsis would be nice since once I begin the grind, I plan on working extremely hard and long hours.

So I think $28k is the revised golden number before I actually move to Melbourne. It could take me a week to get from where I am now to $28k, or it could take a few months if variance is unkind. Once I am in Melbourne and settled down, I've taken my week off, I should be left with ~$23k which will be split for the following budget-wise.

$10k - Bankroll - Playing $2/$5 (500 cap) live I think 20BIs is actually pretty conservative even as a pro. But I want to do this right the first time round so think this is fine.
The other $13k is "6 months living expenses" - that amounts to $500 a week. I think $500 a week makes things a lot less stressful, especially if results-wise we insta doomswitch. For the first 6 months, I want any profit to essentially go 100% to savings as I should have enough in the bank to live off for this period. I currently have no idea where I'll be saying - it could really be anywhere from a sharehouse to my own one bedrooom apartment - rent could be anywhere from cheap to quite pricey. Having no XP living away from home, I want to account for unexpected expenses which is why I think $500 is a fairly reasonable number.

In terms of weekly expenses, I'll be looking at the following:

- Food
- Gym membership
- Phone
- Internet
- Rent/Bills
- Petrol
- Car rego/repairs
- Public transport
- Emergency/etc fund

Basically, more than I'm paying now per week and on less money (currently earning 750-800 a week at work and in Melb the budget will be 500). This is why staying in Brisbane to grind up a slightly bigger life roll will be beneficial.

Now of course, if I'm able to win at a fairly conservative 6bb/hr, I should be making EV $1200 a week on top of the $500 I have set aside for expenses, but as I said, I'd rather not dip too much into this and I think it'll be a good practice for me to try stick to a budget.

Goals for the remainder of the year:

[ ] Save additional $8k to get totalroll to $28k and then,
[ ] Move to Melbourne, settle in and,
[ ] Play at least 40 hours a week for the rest of the year

At the beginning of next year, I'll outline in a new PGC some slightly more long-term career goals. I'd like to move to London when I have enough money to do so - mainly to escape the lolAusRake and increase my hourly. So London for me is the endgame. But for now, my focus is on getting through these last couple weeks at work, transitioning into a full time player - want to hit at least 40 hours a week with bulk of volume at fri/sat/sun night time.

In a couple weeks when I begin playing full time, you guys can expect a lot more frequent updates to this thread that I've pretty well neglected since its inception. Cheers to those who are still following!

You can probably just bare expense it at $350 a week if you live somewhere cheap, all depends on rent i guess. eat breakfast out a few times, get food at the cas, car breaks down thats 500.

tight budget man, i dont save much on $1000 after tax a week in Perth and its way cheaper. good luck though doing something you enjoy, worst outcome is you have fun and go broke and get a job, best outcome is you never actually need to live on 500 a week everything is worth trying once.

Yeah ofc. If after 6 months I have somehow not made any money playing poker, I should still have maybe $10k as an escape route but tbf I think 1200 a week from poker is very very doable in melbourne. not sure that 10bb/hr is possible with Aus rake but imagine somewhere like this would be about the roof which could take weekly income to over 2k if I'm getting 40-50 hours in.

Thank you so much man. TBH I'm not sure how much fun sitting in a casino for 40 hours a week only to bust my liferoll would be, but I'm very confident this won't happen. Definitely excited to give it a good crack.

Congrats mate. Been following for a while, all the best with the move! We'll be waiting here in London for you and your Aussie Dollars


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tbh i couldnt think of anything more soul destroying than sitting in a casino for 40-50hrs per week grinding 50k pa at 2/5....
Online is much more convenient.
But, if you enjoy it then thats what matters

I am not seeking to rain on your parade mate, casino-wise I'm sure your game is easily solid enough to crush, but I'm not convinced at all about the bankroll being "conservative" for a full on pro. Miller, Mehta & Flynn talk about 100BI for a live smalls stake professional, which usually gets a huge guffaw whenever I've mentioned it hereabouts, but the fact is, they are pros already (or have been) and its their words not mine...written in a book for anybody to read.

Clearly with that size of roll what they are aiming at here is the need to achieve two things:

Sufficient to ride out variation in a low volume playing environment.

Sufficient to keep you on your a-game and avoid scared money tilt when variation is biting.

You have a wealth of experience at nlhe, so you will have seen card dead spells online many times. You need to translate those periods into casino play and stress test your game plan based on your actual experiences with variation.

Notwithstanding...I hope you run good from the get go and I hope you get to London, which is my home town, even though I live in Scotland now.

I've picked up on some of your tips along the way and improved my game with them, so I wish you all the best.

I agree with Fatboy; you might want to rethink the 20 BI bankroll. I'm not going to say to save up 100 BI, although it would be beneficial. But at least maybe 40-50.

I tried to do that at one point as well, at 1/3 though instead of at 2/5. I had around 25 BI I think. The thing is, when you have your full 20 BI, you think you're properly rolled. You feel ok, because you know the chances of you going on a 20 BI downswing is almost zero. And that's fine, because you probably won't have a 20BI downswing, if you keep playing your A-game.

But what happens when you do lose some buy-ins? Let's say you have a bad run, and lose 7-8 BIs. Now you have only 12-13 BIs left. That feeling before? Gone! You are no longer thinking that you're comfortably rolled. Now you start worrying... You start thinking, I have 12-13 BI. What happens if I go on another downswing? Doubts start creeping in. You start worrying about the state of your bankroll, and about losing more.

You start playing more scared, and playing worse. And the likelihood of the downswing worsening increases. The shorter your bankroll becomes, the worse you feel/play.

I would advise you to have your bankroll be an amount where you can go on a downswing, and still have enough in your bankroll left to feel comfortable that you can go on another downswing. That's at the very least. And I'm speaking from experience. Don't underestimate the effects of playing with a deteriorating bankroll. I wish you all the luck though, and hope it works out!

Is 500nl the lowest you can play? Imo 20bi is really scarce, esp when you're trying to make it on your own as a full time pro...

& fwiw I hate naysayers, but I do feel that 20bi's is just too shallow. Like pokerphilosopher said, if you do unfortunately drop 7-8 bi's, things will get very dicey

Gl with everything.

A good, fairly nitty live reg doesn't lose 10k buying in for $500 in soft 2/5 games. It basically just doesn't happen.

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See if you can buy a new a battery for your phone if you want to save some cash, Meale. If it's an iPhone then there should be a dodgy phone shop in your area than can install a new one for $50 or so.

I don't think anyone is arguing that point too much, although it still is a possibility. The problem is if he loses several BIs. Mental issues start creeping in, and losing more BIs becomes a lot more probable because of that.

And then there's the issue of live play vs online play. I could be wrong, but it sounded as if he's new, or at least fairly new to live play. If that's the case, then there's a lot greater chance of losing more at the start as he tries to adjust, or over-adjust, his game to live play.

It happened to me. I lost a few BIs at start. Started feeling the pressure of a shrinking bankroll. My play got a bit worse. Lost a bit more. Finally, when I had around 10 BIs left, the stress became too much, and I just stopped playing live, and found more work.

Just trying to help him from going through the same. If he's anything like me though, he'll have his mind set on it and try to do it anyway. And if that's the case, I hope all goes well and he gets sone run good at the start to get him going.

I think it sounds like a solid plan , if things go wrong you can always change things up / drop down in stakes. GL

Thanks brother, glad to see you're still around. Hoping all goes well and I'll be able to join the London crew sooner rather than later!

Hey Max. Yeah, I can fully understand where you're coming from. Especially since throughout the year there will be many periods where I run on par with how you did in Vegas. Live poker can simply be incredibly soul crushing.

But I think this is something I want to do differently from other guys. Instead of accepting the fact that poker will be a horrible grind at times and that I'll practically resent it, I want to leverage these thoughts to implement new systems for improving the mental game of live poker.

For instance, in live, if you lose a 400bb pot with a speculative river bluff or call, it is something that replays over and over in your mind. It's incredibly brutal. And obv if these spots are happening weekly and if these thoughts are constantly circulating my mind, it's going to lead to an unenjoyable experience. In response, I plan on doing daily/weekly/biweekly (yet undecided) "purge sessions" as part of my off-table work which are geared towards seeking closure and catharsis from thoughts like these.

Live poker is essentially a huge perpetual mind fugk. And if I'm going to make this my career and spend long hours doing it, I'm going to want to develop systems for dealing with these sorts of things to ensure I can always play my best game and don't find this entire endeavour reduced to a resentful enduring.

Much more on this to come!

Absolutely. I always have and still think if you're going to play poker professionally, online is better than live. However, it does seem to be in quite the precarious position currently. I'll be in Aus for the foreseeable future and so that is an issue in and of itself. Changes to effective rake are making it even more difficult and players are simply getting better. I would imagine the roof for a 500z reg in a year will look pretty unappealing tbh. With live, one can at least seek refuge in the fact that everyone is terrible 100% of the time anywhere in the world (at least at 2/5 and to an extend 5/T). And for someone like me, it's simply much easier to realise a decent hourly going the live route than via the online route (one that has been trepidatious to say the least).

But who knows, maybe one day I'll find myself bum hunting midstakes games on multiple networks while playing MTTs - I think that's a reasonable option but I don't have the bankroll to split across multiple networks atm and certainly not going down that path just yet in Aus.

To be able to enjoy it, despite the brutal nature, will be a feat in itself. And I want that to be my ultimate goal.

Hey mate,

There's a few of you mentioning the bankroll management stuff so I'm going to respond to that all at once here.

Ofc there's a difference between 20BIs if it's your liferoll and BR in a 200bb cap PLO game. But my game is 100 cap and plays relatively passively. Tbf, most people buy in short. Rarely are you 100 deep. So "20 buyins" is probably effectively closer to 25.

Now let's take a look at some simulations.

Assumptions:

- 6bb/hr wr (conservative)
- standard deviation: 150bb/100 (imo this is what all sims re live poker variance **** comes down to. I think given my generally lower-variance approach, 150bb/100 is a FAIRLY conservative figure here).
- 26,000 hands - this is roughly 6 months in my casino playing 40 hour weeks.

We get the following:

- Minimum bankroll for less than 5% risk of ruin (»?«) 1404 BB

If we up the Stdev to 200bb/100, we're looking at:

- Minimum bankroll for less than 5% risk of ruin (»?«) 2496 BB

If my actual Stdev is closer to 200bb/100, which I'm sure it's not, I'm happy with being slightly off this 5% punt.

Btw folks with the higher standard dev, the probability of loss after 6 months is only 2.6%.

Obv we can't read much into any of this, because if you change the winrate by 1 bb/hr or increase the hands per hour by 5, sht changes pretty drastically. The point is, mathematically, 20BIs is IMO more than enough.

The argument from authority here isn't a particularly appealing one. 100 Buyins? In a live environment? For 100cap 9 handed NLH? That seems absolutely laughable if you ask me, not to mention stupidly impractical - who's going to grind 2/5 when they have 50k lying around? Chances are they're going to be doing something else with their time... But in all seriousness, if you manage to lose 50k at 2/5.......... well you know what I mean.

In fairness, if you need 100 buyins to not play scared money or to maintain your a-game (which is a function of the former), you're not cut out to be a pro.

Thanks so much dude for the good juju. Running good from the get go would ofc be most desirable but more than willing to be slapped in the face right from the beginning!

I hope, through this thread and my next PGC, I'll be able to offer many more tips you may find valuable! IDK how much live you play, but I imagine that'll be the focus for most of my forthcoming content, with a particular focus on mental game stuff as I mentioned earlier in response to Max. Really keen to share some ideas with you guys - I feel like I could challenge Dan J Warburton, mental game extraordinaire!

Hey mate, thanks for the comment. I hope my above response is satisfying enough re the BRM stuff. FWIW, literally speaking, I don't think saving up 100BI would be beneficial in any way.

IMO it's a bit of a fallacy to think like this. The purpose of a 20BI bankroll isn't to have an "effective 13BI bankroll charading as a 20BI roll". It's to have 20BIs and to utilise every one of them if necessary. Even if you're onto your last 10 buyins, I think a strong player mentally should be able to detatch themselves from any lingering thoughts of doubt/scared money while making actual decisions at the table, so as to maintain A-game. This is live poker, we have plenty of time to think through situations and make the best decision every time. That said, your point is still valid and all of this is much easier said than done.

If this reality manifests, we have already failed and should cash out imo.

I do very much appreciate you stopping by!

500nl is the lowest yeah, but as I said, it's a 100 cap game that plays pretty short and very passive. You're never tested. BTW, I'm not sure how familiar you are with LLSNL, but 7-8BI downswings do not occur at the same frequency with which they do online. They're actually extremely scarce. 10BI downswings even moreso, 15-20BI downswings, practically impossible in my particular game. That's not me talking myself up or anything btw, it's just the nature of short/passive 100cap games - plenty of live pros go on 20BI downswings but in 200bb/uncapped games with a much more aggressive dynamic.

TYVM!!!

Yeah this. I think people are conflating this particular 2/5 with other impressions of 2/5 games - London 2/5 vs Aus 2/5 are EXTREMELY different games.

Put it this way, if I were to play:

2/5 in Australia: $10,000 AUD
2/5 in London: $40,000 AUD

And to note the rake in London is far, far lower than it is in Aus. But these games simply are just extremely different and I'm not sure everyone fully understands this.

Yeah, is an option. TBH though, my phone's kinda rooted anyway because I can't mount it as a mass media storage device when connected to my PC, something is fkd with the port. I'm well overdue for a new phone. Will go for a relatively cheap model with good battery life. Thinking Samsung S5.

ONLY if you let them.

Having logged ~200 hours of live cash so far this year, I'd say I've already transitioned fairly well from the online scene to live. And dead set, anyone who goes from online to live immediately WILL struggle. It takes a while to adjust as you say, but I'm glad I've crossed that bridge because it is an absolute btch to do.

If it goes wrong, I will elope to Mongolia, join a monastery, and live off the land.

Well, you know more about yourself than I do haha. The only way you'll know for sure is to go through a stretch like that and find out. But yeah, having the extra saved up for living expenses can only help with that. I still think that realistically, it will affect you at least a little in some way. But maybe not.

As for 100 BIs being beneficial, I didn't mean at all that you should use that size BR. I just meant it could only be beneficial to your mental well-being. Meaning less stress and worrying lol. But you can still have that with a smaller BR than 100 BIs.

I don't think it's a fallacy; just a precaution. We're only human. Even if you can play your A-game all the time, would it still not bother you at all emotionally, or cause you unneeded stress if you BR starts getting lower? If not, then what I said doesn't really matter, as you should be fine. Just giving you something to think about. As I said, only you know yourself, and in the end, your plan should reflect that.

Good to hear that you've got some live experience already, so that should help immensely. Don't overestimate anything though. 200 hours is still not a lot of experience.

But yeah, if you feel like starting with 20 BIs is doable (and won't cause you too much stress or anxiety) and will yield a better chance of more long-term profits than waiting for a bigger BR and starting later, then you should do so. Sounds like you'll still be ok life-wise if it doesn't work out (although hopefully it will). So why not?

Don't listen to the naysayers. If you're a good player (5BBs/hr+), 20 BIs is more than enough for live play. You can add to it as you go and get it up to 25 BIs if you want to , but 20 is more than enough to start. Especially if you have a separate life roll which you do.

F uck it. Go for it and best of luck to you.

Thank you boys! Yeah I mean I don't plan on playing with a 20BI roll for the rest of my life - winnings will go more or less directly toward it but I think it'll be a fine starting point nonetheless.

Appreciate the words lads!

hey man gl. i use to grind live in sydney but im currently only playing online atm. live especially aus live is really soft especially if u have an online background as im sure ur aware of. once u get the hang of it 50/hr should be easily achievable at 2/5

... and yet I saw the guy to my left lost close to 3.5k in a deep stack 1/3 homegame ($6 rock) last night to:

2 flush over flush
1 set over set
AA vs JJ
Turned set of Qs which made the other guy a straight
Bottom vs top straight

I hear what you are saying, and often you are absolutely correct. This was obviously a crazy night but as they say, there are times you will run worse than you can ever imagine. I'd be concerned with 20 buy-ins if it was my sole income.

Meale, I've been following your progress, I shift to 2/5+ starting tomorrow. Good luck to you.

I believe the AUS games have a cap on them so play pretty much the opposite to a 1/3 deep game.

I do think it's risky taking a shot with a 20bb roll but to be honest, you've got your head on straight, have a back up roll to get back on your feet and you have some work experience that will help you find more in needed.

Take the shot, you'll regret it if you don't. You clearly have the means to go back to work if it doesn't work out.


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Hey man ty for the gl. Yeah live is pretty juicy here and with a bit of game selection, I think 10bb/hr isn't impossible. It might be hard though since the games generally play pretty small and the lolrake. This is why I've been quoting 6bb/hr in simulations and as something I'd be "happy" with. 7-8bb/hr or even 10 and I'd be over the moon.

TBH a deep 1/3 very likely plays deeper than my 2/5 where, aside from myself, the other biggest stack (at least to start with) is maybe $300.

So you're transitioning up from 1/3? That's awesome news. Hope all goes well, especially to begin with.

I don't plan on ever going back to work tbh, not for someone else. So let's just hope it sticks!