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09-28-2015 , 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by lvr
having a higher wwsf would be bad
If he's a 6m reg 44 is too low if anything. FR it might be okay.
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09-28-2015 , 07:31 AM
I would mark him as fish/regfish based on those stats.
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09-28-2015 , 09:06 AM
Team of experts on the case I see.
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09-28-2015 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Barry Urinstein
Team of experts on the case I see.
Look wat i started 😂😂😂
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09-28-2015 , 12:26 PM
Stats in a vacuum r so overrated
Plenty of winning styles

I feel like a lot of the high 3b/low fold to 3b/high wwsf guys @ small stakes end up being huge ego players and end up spewing their way to b/e'ville. No data to actually back up that claim though

Last edited by pokerarb; 09-28-2015 at 12:31 PM.
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09-28-2015 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by FuzzingIrish
Hey Ben, hope the games are good today! Wish you the best of luck, by the way have a question about this hand, can you tell me your thought process on flatting the 4bet with Q9? Keep it up!
hey man! the pot odds are so good that once the super whale calls i think it would be a mistake folding. It's prob pretty close but yeah, think calling is good!

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Originally Posted by worried
fairly agg reg
Stats: 27/19/10, flop x/r 4%, wwsf 44%, w@sd 53%:

seems like an animal based on these stats
I'm not sure what you started here but it's an extremely weird post to make in the first place. One can still class someone as fairly aggro (vs hero) without their stats being overly aggressive. fwiw, i have one of the lowest wwsf at 6m and FR but still have quite a good winrate.

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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
If he's a 6m reg 44 is too low if anything. FR it might be okay.
There is no such thing as 'too low' for either 6m or FR in my opinion. wwsf is one of those stats that is a product of the games you play. If you play games with fish or go multi way a lot then naturally your wwsf will be lower.

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Originally Posted by wittynick
I would mark him as fish/regfish based on those stats.
I think you're being a little harsh!

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Originally Posted by Barry Urinstein
Team of experts on the case I see.
haha

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Unfortunately today was terrible. Just lost every hand i played and spewed off at least 2 stacks. It's fair to say that i'm firmly in the midst of a downswing! Struggling to maintain even B game and the more that happens the more frustrated i get. Don't get me wrong, if this was a year ago i'd be stuck at least 10k for the month, which is a testament to my mental game but it's annoying nonetheless.

Spew call vs fish:

    Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37132731

    MP3: $264.42 (132.2 bb)
    CO: $203.52 (101.8 bb)
    BTN: $571.71 (285.9 bb)
    SB: $60.41 (30.2 bb)
    Hero (BB): $450.64 (225.3 bb)
    UTG+2: $532.17 (266.1 bb)
    MP1: $252.40 (126.2 bb)
    MP2: $282.30 (141.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with J A
    UTG+2 raises to $6, 6 folds, Hero calls $4

    Flop: ($13) 9 2 J (2 players)
    Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $12.42, Hero raises to $36.80, UTG+2 calls $24.38

    Turn: ($86.60) 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $68.58, UTG+2 calls $68.58

    River: ($223.76) K (2 players)
    Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $220.96, Hero calls $220.96

    Spoiler:
    Results: $665.68 pot ($2.80 rake)
    Final Board: 9 2 J 5 K
    Hero mucked J A and lost (-$332.34 net)
    UTG+2 showed 2 2 and won $662.88 ($330.54 net)



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    vs fish, sneaky sneaky with AA:

      Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37132732

      Hero (BB): $395.80 (197.9 bb)
      MP: $349.29 (174.6 bb)
      CO: $210.37 (105.2 bb)
      BTN: $250.70 (125.4 bb)
      SB: $258.70 (129.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K Q
      MP folds, CO raises to $6, BTN folds, SB calls $5, Hero raises to $24, CO folds, SB calls $18

      Flop: ($54) 5 J T (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $24, SB raises to $60, Hero calls $36

      Turn: ($174) A (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $89.02, SB raises to $174.70 and is all-in, Hero calls $85.68

      River: ($523.40) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: $523.40 pot ($2.80 rake)
      Final Board: 5 J T A T
      Hero showed K Q and lost (-$258.70 net)
      SB showed A A and won $520.60 ($261.90 net)



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      Unacceptable play from me. Actually just so disastrously bad - i deserve to get crushed with this call down:

        Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37132733

        CO: $369.45 (92.4 bb)
        BTN: $471.02 (117.8 bb)
        Hero (SB): $402 (100.5 bb)
        BB: $424.92 (106.2 bb)
        UTG: $400 (100 bb)
        MP: $630.46 (157.6 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with K A
        UTG folds, MP raises to $10, CO calls $10, BTN folds, Hero raises to $44, BB folds, MP calls $34, CO folds

        Flop: ($102) K Q 9 (2 players)
        Hero checks, MP bets $40, Hero calls $40

        Turn: ($182) 4 (2 players)
        Hero checks, MP bets $75, Hero calls $75

        River: ($332) 8 (2 players)
        Hero checks, MP bets $243, Hero calls $243 and is all-in

        Spoiler:
        Results: $818 pot ($2.80 rake)
        Final Board: K Q 9 4 8
        Hero showed K A and lost (-$402 net)
        MP showed 9 9 and won $815.20 ($413.20 net)



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        Glad today is over, football tonight to cool off!

        Back to it tomorrow afternoon after placement.

        glgl
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        09-28-2015 , 02:22 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by BenaBadBeat
        the pot odds are so good that once the super whale calls i think it would be a mistake folding. It's prob pretty close but yeah, think calling is good!
        Its not close. Its not even close to being close ainec
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        09-28-2015 , 02:36 PM
        What's so terrible about the last hand (#35)? If you think river is a fold, aren't you check/folding 100% there?

        Quote:
        Originally Posted by TimStone
        Its not close. Its not even close to being close ainec
        This - even if the whale folds its a clear call, surely.
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        09-28-2015 , 02:52 PM
        a) people prob underbluff
        b) a flop texture that ben will prob be checking a whole lot of stronger hands on (KQ QQ KK JT if he has it if he doesnt thats why he would chek the others)
        c) AK only beats a pure bluff, ie TT JJ AT AJ whihc have to triple in the first place
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        09-28-2015 , 06:28 PM
        After that hand we certainly established that one cannot just push around teh benabadbeat
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        09-28-2015 , 08:04 PM
        Aj hand made my stomach a bit queasy-change title from spew call to spew every street possible
        I stopped reading after that
        What was weird about my post? If your w$wsf is 44% and w$@sd is 53% geuss what ... you more than likely suck at poker.
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        09-28-2015 , 08:21 PM
        might as well join this discussion

        Quote:
        Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
        If he's a 6m reg 44 is too low if anything. FR it might be okay.
        I think it's prob fine. ppl who have very high wwsf tend to under-defend their BB.
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        09-28-2015 , 10:56 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
        If he's a 6m reg 44 is too low if anything. FR it might be okay.
        I guess it really depends how tight/loose you are

        The higher your vpip the lower it might become
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        09-29-2015 , 06:52 AM
        From my experience, low WWSF regs are usually (not all of them of course) regs that focus a lot on the fish and less when they play vs regs. Which translates in they not "fighting" enough for small pots -> lower wwsf -> redline 12-15bb/100+ downwards.

        Just my opinion here, of course it might be different
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        09-29-2015 , 07:20 AM
        I think this discussion have proven that no one really knows what is going on.
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        09-29-2015 , 09:08 AM
        Never used this stat in my life. What am I missing?
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        09-29-2015 , 09:19 AM
        It's a postflop stat

        So not really important for you
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        09-29-2015 , 09:27 AM
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        Originally Posted by blakkman08
        Never used this stat in my life. What am I missing?
        U guys use stats shoving around 7.5bbs and comparing cards??? LOL
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        09-29-2015 , 09:41 AM
        I see teh stone knows how to make good investments. Rapidly devaluing cars and mindless btn clickers
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        09-29-2015 , 10:31 AM
        king10clubs doesnt use a hud and neither should you
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        09-29-2015 , 11:10 AM
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        Originally Posted by blakkman08
        I see teh stone knows how to make good investments. Rapidly devaluing cars and mindless btn clickers
        If u wanna get picked up from teh airport in january i would rather be careful wat i say next, pal
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        09-29-2015 , 11:43 AM
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        09-29-2015 , 11:54 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by BenaBadBeat

          Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37132731

          MP3: $264.42 (132.2 bb)
          CO: $203.52 (101.8 bb)
          BTN: $571.71 (285.9 bb)
          SB: $60.41 (30.2 bb)
          Hero (BB): $450.64 (225.3 bb)
          UTG+2: $532.17 (266.1 bb)
          MP1: $252.40 (126.2 bb)
          MP2: $282.30 (141.2 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BB with J A
          UTG+2 raises to $6, 6 folds, Hero calls $4

          Flop: ($13) 9 2 J (2 players)
          Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $12.42, Hero raises to $36.80, UTG+2 calls $24.38

          Turn: ($86.60) 5 (2 players)
          Hero bets $68.58, UTG+2 calls $68.58

          River: ($223.76) K (2 players)
          Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $220.96, Hero calls $220.96

          Spoiler:
          Results: $665.68 pot ($2.80 rake)
          Final Board: 9 2 J 5 K
          Hero mucked J A and lost (-$332.34 net)
          UTG+2 showed 2 2 and won $662.88 ($330.54 net)



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          09-29-2015 , 02:01 PM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by ontheupandup
          What's so terrible about the last hand (#35)? If you think river is a fold, aren't you check/folding 100% there?


          This - even if the whale folds its a clear call, surely.
          Blakkman answers the question about the hand!

          I don't think the call with Q9 would be standard if the whale folded tbh. Folding is definitely a reasonable option there.

          Quote:
          Originally Posted by blakkman08
          a) people prob underbluff
          b) a flop texture that ben will prob be checking a whole lot of stronger hands on (KQ QQ KK JT if he has it if he doesnt thats why he would chek the others)
          c) AK only beats a pure bluff, ie TT JJ AT AJ whihc have to triple in the first place
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by TimStone
          After that hand we certainly established that one cannot just push around teh benabadbeat
          usually you can, just not yesterday

          Quote:
          Originally Posted by worried
          Aj hand made my stomach a bit queasy-change title from spew call to spew every street possible
          I stopped reading after that
          What was weird about my post? If your w$wsf is 44% and w$@sd is 53% geuss what ... you more than likely suck at poker.
          The flop and turn vs a 42 vpip fish is absolutely fine, in fact, i'd go as far as saying it's actually quite good. The river however is definitely stomach turning.

          The 2nd part to your post is totally subjective. For me, all i care about is how much money i have/make, not how others, such as yourself view my stats. At the end of the day i know a bunch of players who have what you would probably class as 'good stats' and they all win at 1bb or less and have extremely stressful lives. I know which life i would rather have. In this lies a whole load of other arguments such as what actually defines a good player (could be a bumhunter winning at 5bb or a reg battler winning at 1bb) and again it's subjective in my opinion. What's your screen name btw, you seem to have quite rigid opinions and i'd be interested in what games you play! Ofc if you're some reg battling boss then you'll disagree massively with my comments

          Quote:
          Originally Posted by Hiei20
          From my experience, low WWSF regs are usually (not all of them of course) regs that focus a lot on the fish and less when they play vs regs. Which translates in they not "fighting" enough for small pots -> lower wwsf -> redline 12-15bb/100+ downwards.

          Just my opinion here, of course it might be different
          This definitely is true in ways.

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          Originally Posted by A_Schupick
          I think this discussion have proven that no one really knows what is going on.
          hahaha

          Quote:
          Originally Posted by lvr
          It's a postflop stat

          So not really important for you
          lmao

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          Originally Posted by Sir_Alex
          i know

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          Another awful day. Played some 1k, went horrendous. Namely got AK v AA but scooped half the pot still lost 600 in the hand though.

          Got no good hands to post actually...

          back on it for the last day of the month. Let's hope it's a good one

          glgl
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          09-29-2015 , 03:22 PM
          Chopped =! Scooped
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