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Old 11-21-2016, 06:22 PM   #26
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Re: London Liveaments

I don't mean this to be patronising in any way - what was your thought process calling with J7ss OOP? I know that I am (too) tight pre but just wondering if there were any live reads or dynamics that influenced your decision. Appreciate you are getting around 3/1 on a call
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Old 11-21-2016, 07:57 PM   #27
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I agree with massivetime, there has to be better hands in your iso range to continue vs a 3b OOP. I assume you are going to mention the whale cold calling but I think that's more of a rationalisation than a legit reason. Unless you have some sick read on the 3b and expect to somehow outplay him and the whale OOP with a pretty bad hand, then it should be an easy fold pre imo.
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Old 11-21-2016, 08:11 PM   #28
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Disagree with folding 500bb deep sitting in the best relative position (we get to see whale's action before it's back to us) with a suited hand that also makes straights.

That's a pretty sick outcome on the hand, ul man. GL!
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Old 11-21-2016, 08:15 PM   #29
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Disagree with folding 500bb deep sitting in the best relative position (we get to see whale's action before it's back to us) with a suited hand that also makes straights.

That's a pretty sick outcome on the hand, ul man. GL!
Considering your entire iso range, J7s makes the cut for calling a 3b OOP...what would your fold to 3b be in this spot? 10%?

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Old 11-21-2016, 08:22 PM   #30
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Disagree with folding 500bb deep sitting in the best relative position (we get to see whale's action before it's back to us) with a suited hand that also makes straights.

That's a pretty sick outcome on the hand, ul man. GL!
Agreed yeah playing deepstack like 200bb deep we can def peel wider + 3-bet lighter... maybe it's not the most +EV strat at a table full of calling stations such as what OP is playing @

Why is it at the higher levels i'm talking about 5/10+ you see guys calling wide and 3-betting super wide is it because live fish? Yes and no but live has more deepstacked orientated play then online when you are usually playing 100bb-200bb deep.

@ OP seems like your the only guy 3-betting light/calling wide in this lol1/2 game when playing deep which is a pretty big edge if you know how to play deepstacked which is really tricky esp vs. villain's who can't hit the fold button...

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Old 11-22-2016, 04:22 PM   #31
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I don't mean this to be patronising in any way - what was your thought process calling with J7ss OOP? I know that I am (too) tight pre but just wondering if there were any live reads or dynamics that influenced your decision. Appreciate you are getting around 3/1 on a call
because im 500bb deep with the original 3bettor and im 300bb deep with the whale, so i don't see how i can really be folding when i've got position on the whale and my post flop edge > theres, plus the pot odds.

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I agree with massivetime, there has to be better hands in your iso range to continue vs a 3b OOP. I assume you are going to mention the whale cold calling but I think that's more of a rationalisation than a legit reason. Unless you have some sick read on the 3b and expect to somehow outplay him and the whale OOP with a pretty bad hand, then it should be an easy fold pre imo.
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Agreed yeah playing deepstack like 200bb deep we can def peel wider + 3-bet lighter... maybe it's not the most +EV strat at a table full of calling stations such as what OP is playing @

Why is it at the higher levels i'm talking about 5/10+ you see guys calling wide and 3-betting super wide is it because live fish? Yes and no but live has more deepstacked orientated play then online when you are usually playing 100bb-200bb deep.

@ OP seems like your the only guy 3-betting light/calling wide in this lol1/2 game when playing deep which is a pretty big edge if you know how to play deepstacked which is really tricky esp vs. villain's who can't hit the fold button...
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Disagree with folding 500bb deep sitting in the best relative position (we get to see whale's action before it's back to us) with a suited hand that also makes straights.

That's a pretty sick outcome on the hand, ul man. GL!
Yes i just think we are way too deep to even fold but if i was sensible i wouldn't have lost this pot

Yep, im just an action junkie love a good deep game because part of my strat has more maneuverability now and i can apply tons of pressure.


So last night was very interesting, a 1/2 game with a saudi whale turned in to a 3 handed 5/T game with me and another reg.

I had jesus on this saudi guy and was doing my best to keep him interested in our 1/2 game as he wants to transfer to another table, (He gets brutally coolered for a 1.2k pot with 89 on 898 and the other guy has 99) i was doing everything like blind raising £20 after his blind £10 raise UTG and engaging in conversation with this guy, he absolutely loved it!

He wants to play 5/T so we oblige and it ends up being me and another reg just staying to play with him, game was fairly shallow with me being 150bbs deep, the saudi having 180bbs and the reg covering us both.

Reg folds BTN, saudi opens SB to £30, i call K8
Flop:AQ6
Saudi cbets £40, i call.
Turn: 4
Saudi bets £80, i call.
River:5
Saudi bets £280, i jam for £1079.

So the sick thing here is he legit tanks with JT, he is talking out loud that this has got to be Qhigh or Khigh flush. He is in the tank for 8 minutes trying to stare me down and hoping to get a read, he eventually calls it off. Had he folded face up i think i would've gone home. He's sort of a weird whale, he understands relative hand strength but just doesn't like folding at all.

Now time for my biggest pot ever ££ wise not bb wise. Fairly sure this is my biggest pot to date.
Saudi guy opens to £35, i 3b KK to £135 in the SB, BB folds, Saudi calls.
Flop: AK3
i cbet £175 (cbet is very exploitable sizing but w/e), whale jams for like £1.7k. I call and snap ask to RIT, i show my hand and he shows me 57. We get the floor over to confirm RIT and the saudi guy goes actually no just RIO.
Turn: A
BOOOOM!
River: 4

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swings and roundabouts!

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Old 11-22-2016, 06:01 PM   #32
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Re: London Liveaments

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-never drawing dead
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Old 11-22-2016, 06:35 PM   #33
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Heard ur Birmingham friend is a one of a kind whale. Let us know when he appear again.
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Old 11-22-2016, 10:42 PM   #34
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Old 11-23-2016, 05:45 AM   #35
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Some pretty crazy hands above, Gl and keep going op
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Old 11-23-2016, 06:54 AM   #36
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What a game, jesus! Congrats on the solid night.
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Old 11-23-2016, 11:11 AM   #37
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Heard ur Birmingham friend is a one of a kind whale. Let us know when he appear again.
Who is the Birmingham friend?
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Old 11-23-2016, 11:43 AM   #38
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wow nh, you deserved that one after last nights reverse situation lol! Pro tip now is fold flopped flushes in live games
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Old 11-23-2016, 05:07 PM   #39
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Heard ur Birmingham friend is a one of a kind whale. Let us know when he appear again.
heard he plays garbage hands like 73s, what an absolute lolmerchant

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Some pretty crazy hands above, Gl and keep going op
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What a game, jesus! Congrats on the solid night.
thanks man and i agree with what you posted in the london thread. Actually there's a new reg who has been making it blatantly obvious that he's bumhunting, i just see him stand up every 15 mins around lurking around like some predator trying to find the next target.
I'm fine with bumhunting in live games, do what you need to do to increase your winrate but please don't make it painfully obvious.

If i transfer tables twice in a night i usually feel really weird about it.

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lol now that would be unfair to be giving out whales names dont you think?

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yep! x/f flopped flushes in big pots
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Old 11-24-2016, 11:47 AM   #40
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gl! do you ever rotate your casinos or just stick to one
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Old 11-29-2016, 01:39 AM   #41
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gl! do you ever rotate your casinos or just stick to one
I just stick to the one, when i first moved here i was doing Hippo and empire but last few months i've just stuck with Hippo. Going back to empire in a few days.


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Not much has happened since last weeks session.
Been running fairly bad with card distribution at 1/2, had one night where the best hand i made was one pair and i spent most of the time bluff catching.

Had just couple of cool hands.

HH1:
Hero opens to £10 with T8, CO calls, BTN calls and then BB squeezes to £20, Hero calls, CO calls and BTN calls.
Flop: T32
BB cbets £25, Hero calls, CO folds and BTN calls,
Turn: 3
BB bets £37, Hero calls, BTN calls.
River: Q
BB bets £85, Hero calls, BTN folds.
BB mucks.

HH2:
Straddle, Reg opens to £20, Hero calls T9, Straddler calls.
Flop: KJ4
straddler checks, Reg checks, Hero checks behind.
Turn: Q
straddler checks, Reg bets £40, Hero calls,
River: 8
Reg bets £100, Hero raises to £200, Reg snap jams for £250 more, Hero sigh snap folds. (really wanted to flat river)

Reg is fairly good friend, exploit raise/fold river

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Put in a large amount of volume this year, think i'm going to end the year on 1500 hours.
Kinda contemplating on doing the day shift for Dec and actually see some sunlight but theres a large % that will fall through seeing as i've been nocturnal for the last 6 years.

Can't wait for the year to end so i can put up new goals.

Also wanted to say RIP to one of the cardrooms in Bham. Supported the cardroom last year when i was still living in Bham by coming in most days and starting the game and playing till closing time. Going to be sad to see it go, think i will pay it a visit before it gets shutdown at the start of next year.

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Old 11-30-2016, 03:59 AM   #42
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Straddle, Reg opens to £20, Hero calls T9, Straddler calls.
Flop: KJ4
straddler checks, Reg checks, Hero checks behind.
Turn: Q
straddler checks, Reg bets £40, Hero calls,
River: 8
Reg bets £100, Hero raises to £200, Reg snap jams for £250 more, Hero sigh snap folds. (really wanted to flat river)
Man, if I hit my gutshot I'm bumping up the turn all day long, like we picked up a spade draw.

On the river, obviously if this is someone you know, it's probably an easier fold if you think he'd never re-raise without the nuts. But would AT really 'snap jam'? And we have a blocker to AT. It still might be a fold but I don't think it's a snap fold at the very least. If the pot is £700, £250 to us? We can't be good here a quarter of the time?
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Old 11-30-2016, 05:18 AM   #43
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HU4hoes
In the above hand,9T suited, I don't understand the raise to £200 if it is a snap fold to a re-raise. On that board are you expecting a call from worse.
I know it is easy for me to say sitting here but in that situation if I think there is a chance villain raises then I have to flat even at the risk of losing that extra £100 of value. Also was there no chance that villain jams with worse because he knows you are good enough to fold.
I am enjoying following your posts especially as you post the good along with the bad and give an honest account of how the cards are treating you.
Good Luck at the tables
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Old 11-30-2016, 09:27 AM   #44
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Man, if I hit my gutshot I'm bumping up the turn all day long, like we picked up a spade draw.

On the river, obviously if this is someone you know, it's probably an easier fold if you think he'd never re-raise without the nuts. But would AT really 'snap jam'? And we have a blocker to AT. It still might be a fold but I don't think it's a snap fold at the very least. If the pot is £700, £250 to us? We can't be good here a quarter of the time?
Sometimes you got to have that range protection. Also a lot of my spade combos are going to be calling the turn a lot.
Yes, i know villain v v well that i can just raise fold second nuts in this spot and still sleep well at night.

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In the above hand,9T suited, I don't understand the raise to £200 if it is a snap fold to a re-raise. On that board are you expecting a call from worse.
I know it is easy for me to say sitting here but in that situation if I think there is a chance villain raises then I have to flat even at the risk of losing that extra £100 of value. Also was there no chance that villain jams with worse because he knows you are good enough to fold.
I am enjoying following your posts especially as you post the good along with the bad and give an honest account of how the cards are treating you.
Good Luck at the tables
QQ and QJ won't ever fold, unless villain starts folding QJ to minraises otr then it makes my raise really bad.

Last two days have been going decent, finally hit 140 hours for the month with 1 day left to grind (fairly tempted to take it off and play online) and i've also done 50hours of CS:GO

HH1:
UTG(FP1) limps for £2, UTG+2 limps, CO (FP2) raises to £11, Hero 3b to £40 with AA, UTG cc £40, fold fold.
Flop: 922
UTG checks, Hero bets £25, UTG calls
Turn: 9
UTG checks, Hero checks. (checking could be a mistake)
River: T
UTG checks, Hero jams £200 effective, UTG snap calls and shows JJ

HH2:
UTG limps, SB limps, Hero checks BB with 82
Flop: 855
SB checks, Hero leads £2, UTG calls, SB folds.
Turn: Q
Hero checks, UTG bets £10, Hero calls.
River: Q
Hero checks, UTG bets £30, Hero calls.

So the rules are aggressor shows first, villain looks at me and goes what do you have; some people i don't mind showing i.e. fun players but nitfish i love making them show. I sit there quietly for about 5seconds (silence breaks people btw) and he eventually flips one card over and shows T and tells me "i know you can beat this", i reply back yeah i know can but either show the other or muck your hand. He now spends another 30seconds trying to get me to show by this point the dealer has intervened and he reluctantly flips over the other card which is the 7.
This guy clearly know the rules, even had the audacity to carry on this atrocious behaviour with other players.
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Old 12-25-2016, 08:28 PM   #45
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MERRY XMAS ALL!

sorry i havent updated this properly, will do a proper update in a few days plus goals for 2016.

Hope you all had a good xmas!
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sorry i havent updated this properly, will do a proper update in a few days plus goals for 2016.

Hope you all had a good xmas!
Short year goals bro
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Hope there are some CSGO goals in there as well
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-surpass rank silver2

-play another map by march

-break into double digit kill Scores by next November

That should keep him going for the year
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I'm like s3 on cs go. Haven't played in ages because of the Russian 10yo's that I always match with, entertaining yet incredibly tilting.

"Fakin nooob"
"Give me AVP"
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-play another map by march

-break into double digit kill Scores by next November

That should keep him going for the year
these are the CS goals, hopefully i can hit these targets ahead of time.

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I'm like s3 on cs go. Haven't played in ages because of the Russian 10yo's that I always match with, entertaining yet incredibly tilting.

"Fakin nooob"
"Give me AVP"
haha you noticed the AVP! why do they all say AVP when it's clearly AWP!
Come back on and join us, always a good laugh to see me noob hard.

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Had a wonderful session at 2/5

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HH1:
UTG limps, reg isos to £25, woman nitfish calls, i squeeze AK to £100, folds to reg who calls and woman calls.
Flop: T4A
Reg checks, woman checks, i cbet £110, reg folds, woman check raises to £250, i call.
Turn:A
Woman bets £250, i call.
River: 6
Woman jams for £656...

I go in to the tank for about 10 million years and finally fold.

Had this absolute ridiculous hand where it caused me to rage quit the game.
4 handed
HH2:
i open UTG with T9, whale1 calls, russian fish squeezes to £35, BB folds, i call and whale1 calls.
Flop: QQ8
Russian fish checks, i bet £40, whale1 folds, russian fish xc
Turn: J
Russian fish checks, i bet £150, russian fish xc
River: T
Russian fish checks, i bet £160...

Spoiler:


if only i wasn't lazy i'd GIF this HH.

this has happened to me a few times now, where some fun player is rofl-ing around and then randomly flats river with the nuts against me in big pots.
Guess that's run good??

Still contemplating if i should play tonight after that amazing session or just hang out with some friends.

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