Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker

04-16-2013 , 05:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BradleyT
Don,

Do you eat at the bike? I thought the food was free there. I'd imagine they have some options that taste way better than Subway and some options that are way healthier than Subway too. If they had salmon I'd be eating that every day there.
Actually since I've moved to LA in the beginning of January, I would say over 50% of my meals have been at the Bike haha. I usually get something like a traditional american meal with a main dish of fish/steak/chicken with 2 sides (which may include mashed potato, carrots, broccoli, spinach, asparagus, etc). For snacks, I usually get fruit which is generally very fresh and well-cut. The Tiramisu is the best dessert here IMO.

They do have salmon! (and also halibut and filet of sole).

Food is free in the top section, I always tip the servers $5 even though they mess up my order all the freaking time.

Last edited by Aesah; 04-16-2013 at 05:22 AM.
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Quote
04-16-2013 , 05:30 AM
ok I think that's all the questions, thanks everyone else for the comments too.

Halfway out of the downswing, won $4118 today in 10 hours. Obviously don't usually put in that 10 hour session, but at the end we had a guy who announced he was playing PLO for the first time because he won the BBJ for $11k yesterday, which basically makes the game a must-stay when it was 4-handed with him (although he was pretty decent for his 1st time). Hopefully I won't see that 5x,xxx number ever again in this thread.

How do you win $4000 in 1 day? Well I don't remember all the hands, but I remember flopping top set... a lot. Like maybe enough to make double digits. Rungoooooooooooooood

LA total: $63961, 433 hours.
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Quote
04-16-2013 , 05:52 AM
+1 to Lefort's videos being GOAT, I think the idea of 'R' has been around for a while but yeah it's the first time I have ever seen it in a video.
Something worse considering is that live the rake will play a significant role in changing how much you can defend etc in comparison to the numbers lefort states.
Then again vs live players your 'R' will probably be higher, so maybe not
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Quote
04-16-2013 , 03:08 PM
Mainly made me realize how light you can defend from blinds due to dead money
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Quote
04-16-2013 , 05:48 PM
Will you've playing at LATB today?
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Quote
04-17-2013 , 12:25 AM
I have never had Tiramisu at the Bike or ever for that matter.
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Quote
04-17-2013 , 12:57 AM
Some pretty good stuff in those runitonce forums. Are the videos downloadable or only streamable?
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Quote
04-17-2013 , 04:22 AM
Awesome ****in story about must stay game with a bbjp winner. Good **** on a 4k day.

About blind play. People where saying why would you call in the blinds with 54s. I just thought to myself because he is good ldo.

But on a serious note about defending its already a known fact when rake is high you treat it like how you defend antes. Obviously not crap like K4o but you get my point. I basically use ivey ranges I seen him defend with. So I have crap in my blind defense. But it won't be 54s lol.

Keep up the good work man, your a sick ass player/baller.
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Quote
04-17-2013 , 07:55 AM
@confections: fuuuuuuuu I should have, the game was way better than the one I played in instead.

@serio: huge leak in your game imo

@BradleyT: no idea

@ILCD: I super rarely flat-call JCW HU out of the blinds, I would say less than 2% of the time- due to rake considerations I prefer to 3bet (probably like 15-20% vs. his BTN open) or fold. However in that specific instance I *really badly* wanted to play a small pot with him so I could yell "SUCK IT" after winning with bottom pair and that was a good opportunity to do so. I don't care if anyone thinks it's a -EV spot it was worth so much more to me.
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Quote
04-17-2013 , 08:02 AM
I just played like, wow, still kind of in disbelief at myself but I just was at the casino for 16 hours straight starting at noon. I took roughly a 2 hour break just chatting with Turntup then limon at about midnight, then got back into the game.

When game was dying played PLO8 for kicks, was kind of amusing:
"want to run it twice?"
"uhhh nah we're probably chopping anyway"
*pot gets chopped*

I was up $1270 in about 14 hours (I think my longest session ever wtf). Was up immediately about $2000 today due to a well-off friend straddling to $100, folds to me with just 1 player (limon) in between, I raise with KT95ds (knowing he'll ship it blind for $1k total for the hell of it). I win, next hand exact same thing happens, I have A643ds. I really need to learn which hands are in the 50%/60% range for these situations. Lost some flips, won some flips, hell a lot of stuff happens in 14 hours of PLO.

LA total: $65231, 447 hours.
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Quote
04-17-2013 , 08:11 AM
Before I forget, something I was talking to Turntup about that I feel I should share here- the top two things I wish someone told me before I started playing PLO:

1) The strength of 2-pair hands varies VASTLY in value depending on the board. On Q73r, Q3xx is pretty good, but on KJ8dd, naked K8xx is a dog to a continuing range (and has horrendous playability), and I'd often just muck it to a single flop bet.
2) For turn and rivers, always evaluate the strength of your hand ON THAT STREET. I see a lot of rookie players flop top set, turn completes the OESD, and they still play their hand like it's the nuts. Sorry bro bad turn card for you, it's probably not a cooler if they turned the nuts on you and you bet/called. You probably overplayed your hand.

jesus wtf it's 5 AM. time to sleep
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Quote
04-17-2013 , 08:34 AM
Nice session.. A kind note tho, kt95 and a643 aren't close to 50-60% in a flip. Keep up the good work and run a few equities
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Quote
04-17-2013 , 04:47 PM
^Thanks for the advice- I really, really needed to do this and I'm doing it right now. I'll give you guys my results for free

The A643ds hand is as close as you can get, 49.7% vs. a random hand but should be a fold
The KT95ds is 54.1% vs. a random hand

I overvalued the double suited-ness over high card value I guess. So I suppose there are 4 factors, connectedness, pairs, suits, high cards... here are some more equities. Definitely surprised by the results:

Rundowns suck in terms of AIPF equity, and pairs are awesome.
Point 1: 8765ss is 46%, even worse than a "random 4 unpaired trash hand" like KT62ss at 48%. Meanwhile, a totally trash paired hand is above average, KT55ss is 51%.
Point 2: TT72ds is 56%, which is better than AKT3ss is 54% (I used to think AKxx was like the nuts), and even as good as an amazingly pretty rundown like KQJTss at 56%!

So we decide we mostly want to shove pairs...
QQ86ss is 61%, KK32ss is 61%, KK86ss is 63%, KKQJss is 64%. This is pretty interesting because I would have expected the KKQJss to crush the KK86ds by more than just 1%. AA86ss is 66%, AAJJds is the nuts at 71%.

Even midpairs are fine, KQ88ss (and the aforementioned TT72ds) are both 56%, which as a reminder is as good as KQJTss which most people consider a good AIPF hand. THEY WERE WRONG

It's worth pointing out low cards are death. 5432ds might look pretty, but replacing a card with a random higher card helps- e.g., J542ds is like 3% better (they both suck of course).

In conclusion, if you're shoving into a guy who's all in blind:
-Having a high pair in your hand is awesome (+10%), a mid pair is also a go (+5%)
-Connectedness doesn't really matter (+1%)
-Avoid low cards (-4% per)
-Suits obviously help (+3% per)
-You're rarely going to be more than a 56-44 favorite unless you have KKxx or AAxx so embrace the variance. This number may not seem like a big edge... but they're a monster addition to your hourly if you can find these spots- just doing a single flip merely once every 4 hours as a 56-44 favorite for $1k stacks is +$30/hr!!!

Last edited by Aesah; 04-17-2013 at 05:03 PM.
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Quote
04-17-2013 , 05:05 PM
You just made my notes good post.
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Quote
04-17-2013 , 05:09 PM
As an abstracted view - connectors make for good post flop playability... good implied odds / deep situations. Implicitly - everything that is not a blind shove . Very simple rule of thumb - start ahead, stay ahead for blind equity. Not unlike hold Em in this regard
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Quote
04-17-2013 , 07:29 PM
[QUOTE=Aesah;38100358]^MOSTLY SNIPPED
[B]Rundowns suck in terms of AIPF equity, and pairs are awesome.[/B

The very first PLO hand I played in a casino was in a 25-25 blind game at the Golden Nugget. This old time gambler Blacky Blackburn talked me into sitting down (he knew the father of my first real GF). So I picked up AAA3ss. Looked great as a holdem player Ended up getting it all in for 2500 preflop against O'Neal Longson (Limon can give you his history if you ask). O'Neal had a good runddown hand like J-T-9-8 which he correctly figured was a great PLO hand (I had no real clue at the time). The three aces held up.
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Quote
04-18-2013 , 01:39 AM
@bip!: cant really agree that connectedness gives you great implied odds in PLO, I mean basically if there's ever a straight or flush possible on a non-paired river and someone raises you basically always assume they have it

@jrr63: AAA3ss is ahead of any other possible starting hand, so good job getting it in! Against a non-dominated single suited JT98 you're a 55-45 favorite, and against a 1-gapped rundown (optimal rundown equity is exactly 1 gap I believe, followed by smooth) you're a 52-48 favorite.

tyty for the comments everyone.
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Quote
04-18-2013 , 01:59 AM
It's funny how I lost so many sessions in a row, now it's the other way around again. Played 6 hours today about half PLO and half NLHE and was up $2700. Swings /shrug

PLO was 5 handed with the daily regs limon and Marvin, then also two recreational players. Was having a great time, messing around... at one point I was in tears laughing. Lots of funny stuff leading up to it, but culminates in one hand where rec player leads flop on 942 and shows 1 card (top pair), I say "ok you can look at one of mine too, you pick", he flips over the A (unfortunately, the 1 card I didn't want him to pick). I call. On a blank turn he says "I check to your obvious flush draw", I check behind, bluff at a brick river and let him pick another card to see while he's tanking, he picks the 3 then folds. Limon needled him for the "check to the flush draw" play which sent me into hysterics.

Played 5-5 NLHE after the game broke... haven't played this **** in forever! Most of my profit from 1 hand where UTG+1 limps, BTN limps, I check the BB with 66. Flop JT6hh, I lead for $30 into $20, 1 caller, BTN makes it $200, I make it $1030, BTN snapcalls with JT. Winning a 400bb+ pot all in on the flop that got there as a 4bb limped pot... ahhh, good times.

LA total: $67931, 453 hours.
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Quote
04-18-2013 , 02:18 AM
Lmao, good **** man. Easy 400bb pot when dudes over play their hand vs you.

Glad to hear you are running better. Keep up the good work.
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Quote
04-18-2013 , 12:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aesah
Before I forget, something I was talking to Turntup about that I feel I should share here- the top two things I wish someone told me before I started playing PLO:

1) The strength of 2-pair hands varies VASTLY in value depending on the board. On Q73r, Q3xx is pretty good, but on KJ8dd, naked K8xx is a dog to a continuing range (and has horrendous playability), and I'd often just muck it to a single flop bet.

This is so true. I've lost so much money overvaluing top 2 pair on the turn, Namely AK vs AA/KK. I always tell myself "blockers".

I still make this mistake today. Lead AsTs8h7h in a SRP on a AcTd6c into 3 players and faced a raise from a nit. I gii.. It's a fold!!


2) For turn and rivers, always evaluate the strength of your hand ON THAT STREET. I see a lot of rookie players flop top set, turn completes the OESD, and they still play their hand like it's the nuts. Sorry bro bad turn card for you, it's probably not a cooler if they turned the nuts on you and you bet/called. You probably overplayed your hand.

Yeah, this is pretty common in all forms of poker, imo. The nuttier you expect someone's hand is on the flop the more implied odds and less FE you have on later streets.

I also find that regs that go for a c/r on the flop but you ch back tend to play horrible on the turn/river. I suppose they are angry you checked back the flop?


jesus wtf it's 5 AM. time to sleep
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aesah
^Thanks for the advice- I really, really needed to do this and I'm doing it right now. I'll give you guys my results for free

The A643ds hand is as close as you can get, 49.7% vs. a random hand but should be a fold
The KT95ds is 54.1% vs. a random hand

I overvalued the double suited-ness over high card value I guess. So I suppose there are 4 factors, connectedness, pairs, suits, high cards... here are some more equities. Definitely surprised by the results:

Rundowns suck in terms of AIPF equity, and pairs are awesome.
Point 1: 8765ss is 46%, even worse than a "random 4 unpaired trash hand" like KT62ss at 48%. Meanwhile, a totally trash paired hand is above average, KT55ss is 51%.
Point 2: TT72ds is 56%, which is better than AKT3ss is 54% (I used to think AKxx was like the nuts), and even as good as an amazingly pretty rundown like KQJTss at 56%!

So we decide we mostly want to shove pairs...
QQ86ss is 61%, KK32ss is 61%, KK86ss is 63%, KKQJss is 64%. This is pretty interesting because I would have expected the KKQJss to crush the KK86ds by more than just 1%. AA86ss is 66%, AAJJds is the nuts at 71%.

Even midpairs are fine, KQ88ss (and the aforementioned TT72ds) are both 56%, which as a reminder is as good as KQJTss which most people consider a good AIPF hand. THEY WERE WRONG

It's worth pointing out low cards are death. 5432ds might look pretty, but replacing a card with a random higher card helps- e.g., J542ds is like 3% better (they both suck of course).

In conclusion, if you're shoving into a guy who's all in blind:
-Having a high pair in your hand is awesome (+10%), a mid pair is also a go (+5%)
-Connectedness doesn't really matter (+1%)
-Avoid low cards (-4% per)
-Suits obviously help (+3% per)
-You're rarely going to be more than a 56-44 favorite unless you have KKxx or AAxx so embrace the variance. This number may not seem like a big edge... but they're a monster addition to your hourly if you can find these spots- just doing a single flip merely once every 4 hours as a 56-44 favorite for $1k stacks is +$30/hr!!!

I agree that your analysis. It works when a player shoves allin blind preflop. Although, thats not really applicable to most scenarios. I think you have to think about range vs range and how hands in your range play versus hands in villains range
"The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 1 characters."
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Quote
04-18-2013 , 03:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aesah

@jrr63: AAA3ss is ahead of any other possible starting hand, so good job getting it in! Against a non-dominated single suited JT98 you're a 55-45 favorite, and against a 1-gapped rundown (optimal rundown equity is exactly 1 gap I believe, followed by smooth) you're a 52-48 favorite.
ds rundowns can be favorites against AAAxss.
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Quote
04-18-2013 , 03:33 PM
^ oh yea, true.

@tmckendry: I get myself trouble with the top two "blockers" all the time too, where it's like "well he can only have 2 possible combos that beat me" on something like AK3dd... last time I bet AKxx, passive guy who gets it in light shoves, I'm about to snap when the guy before me overshoves... I fold and they have AAxx and KKxx (both limp called me).

Regarding the thing about horrible play on the turn/river if flop checks through, I think in their mind they're saying they are willing to put in 2 bets with T8xx on 97693r for example since a flop/turn *or* a flop/river bet would be reasonable, but in reality if flop checks through and you bet turn and river they're basically never good there. Same thing with QQxx on Q8492r, etc.

ty for the comments.
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Quote
04-18-2013 , 03:55 PM
Oh I played another hand yesterday that's been bothering me. Maybe results oriented... but here goes:

Dynamic is 4-handed, myself, two fairly nitty players, and a young guy who seems somewhere between mediocre to decent who is trying to win like every pot (opening 80%+ from CO/BTN, cbetting 80%+, etc.). Last orbit he opened BTN, SB folds, i 3-bet from BB for the first time (been card-dead and folding a lot) and he called and tank-folded a T83 to a cbet. So, I *really* expect him to play back at me postflop this time. On to the hand:

Villain opens BTN to $20, nitty SB flats, I make it $80 (bit small) from BB with 99, villain calls, SB folds. I expect his range for getting to the flop to be like, possibly up to 80% (calling his entire opening range vs. my sizing with position although he shouldn't be).

Flop 987, pot $180
I bet $125, villain makes it $270, I jam for $500 more and he snapfolds. So many scary turns that may kill action if he does have a hand like TT (I'm never folding any turn, but he may check back his showdown value hands on a high card turn).

Not sure if a flat is better since I expect him to potentially barrel 39/47 turn cards, possibly 47/47 even with his air!

Last edited by Aesah; 04-18-2013 at 04:02 PM.
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Quote
04-18-2013 , 04:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ditch Digger
ds rundowns can be favorites against AAAxss.
Let's just say I would probably not play it the same way today. I was treating it like AA in holdem - I know he can't have a better hand pre. But it is much more a flip in Omaha.
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Quote
04-18-2013 , 05:51 PM
Oh there's 1 other thing I keep wanting to mention but forgetting.

It's getting really, really, really, really irritating that I keep hearing about playing with regs who follow this thread to get reads on me yet have never, ever mentioned it at the table.

I'm providing poker tips and dissecting my own game to you for free, you can at least say hi. I know who some of you are, all nice people but yea this pisses me off. Thanks!
Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker Quote

      
m