Are you asking if his play is bad vs your hand or your range? Vs your hand he owned you! Vs you range, Probably not great.

Haha yea thats true he did own me

Are legends of my PLO play spreading?!?! I was waiting for a 10/20 NLHE table as usual and a floorman came over and personally requested my presence at the 20/40 PLO game. Since I love punishment I accepted ofc. There's a guy who didn't know you had to play 2 cards at least so I'm not the biggest sucker.

Wow 20/40 PLO!! That's a pretty massive game hope you crush it!

I was planning on playing an early session at the bike today but maybe ill go try out the 300/500 at commerce and and watch you stack the guy who thinks hes got 80% of a flush in his starting hand

Nah I'm gonna pick up soon and go to NLHE. Won 1/2 of a 3 way AIPF with KKQJss vs JT98ss vs Q865ss, don't want to be deep at 20/40 PLO heh.

Just bet $160 on BTN into $180, 4-way with 6655 on Ac8c6d, 1 caller, turn Jc river 5h I check behind villain shows A993 no clubs lol

Standard IMO haha

So much for picking up, game too good?

Well have to agree to disagree. Calling with a gutshot, bdfd and some overs in a 3 way pot oop with tons of straight draws and another fd on board is pure suicide for anybody but PLO gods.

OK so I don't remember exact numbers but I was up $2050 at the 20/40 PLO in Commerce in 3 hours. I made a blocker play with KKxx on AQTr, got called in 2 spots and gave up but my kings were good.

Played 5/10 NLHE at Bike for maybe 3 hours, then PLO at Bike for 2 hours. Was down $300 total. Didn't like a hand where I double barreled K6 on K99J7r, then checked back the river. Probably should be a bet, it was vs. a tough villain who could check/raise there though so I got scared.

Total for today, up $1750 in 8 hours.

LA total: $28392, 212 hours.

He does have 25-30% here when he calls the flop. He is getting 2.2:1 i think (dont remember bets). His call is -ev but not by much.

You are missing that he has akqjt89 for straight draws (i dont remember exact so a card might be wrong). So all his bd outs are live. And maybe he thought about bluffing spades?

All i am saying is everyone has a reason to how they play. It might be wrong but there is still a reason. I still dont think it was horrible, but it wasnt great. Still, he won the hand and got paid so something went right.

Maybe i am overthinking and giving too much credit?

Inspiring thread. Im not sure if you posted this already but do you have a friend you stay with in la? Or do you rent a room somewhere?.ii live in vegas but i was debating trying out the la games for a change but im not sure what the prices are on rentals near the casinos.

I dont think you want to be near the casinos in LA.

Yea I still strongly disagree, it seems like you're presenting it as "half the deck improves his hand on the turn". That's technically true, but only the 9 REALLY improves him- the other cards improve his hand from being complete trash to semi-trash that should still be folding to a turn bet.

You mentioned that *if* he hits one of those cards, he isn't that far behind if I have AAK5 with a spade blocker but that's like also the nut low of my range here, so yea he's drawing to try to be *only* be a little bit behind the bottom of my range? That sounds not so good.

4 random cards is more than twice as good as his exact hand here even against the hand that you specifically used as an example that his call could be good against. If you're arguing that this is a good board to float OOP vs. a PFR cbet with any 4 cards, then that's something completely different.

board: Ts7s3c
Hand Equity
AsAhKc5d 73.78%
Jd8dQhKh 26.22%

board: Ts7s3c
Hand Equity
AsAhKc5d 54.10%
* 45.90%

^ also disclaimer on that Omaha post. I personally think it's solid but again I've been proved to be horribly wrong on Omaha advice many times.

I'm staying with a friend in LA. I hear Commerce hotel is a great spot for traveling poker players to crash for a bit. The others are kind of in crappier parts of town.

I have no idea about the price.

Isnt that 2k plo game half holdem half plo?

If it wasnt, my .02 would be to jump into that game if possible. Half half games are always super profitable because most of the players can at most play only one half, if anything, and the players that can play both ull figure out quickly lol.

Taking a shot at the 5k plo/he game was the best idea ever for me , so soft, I was rolled for the holdem part but obv u need 2xbr to play plo.

Im on LATB right now.

played like 5 hours and broke even. Maybe +/-$20 but I'm not really sure, lets just say 0.

Did commentary for the 2nd half of today's LATB episode, I was nervous so I don't really remember anything about it but Tuchman asked me a bunch of questions about my life and various poker hands, and I answered them.

LA total: $28392, 217 hours.

I feel like I haven't posted any hands in forever. Here's a really standard one with some intermediate-level analysis:

I raise to $20 with KQ from UTG, gets called by villain in UTG+2 and 2 others. 200bb deep. Villain has 3-bet me with 54s earlier this session and was forced to call a shortstacker's shove but other than that he's actually been pretty quiet and tight. He's a ~30 year old asian, never seen him before and I assume he's a recreational player. My image is a very good player who's opening a lot and running over the table.

Flop Q73, pot $80
I bet $60, V calls, everyone else folds. Standard value bet.

Turn 8, pot $200
I bet $140, V calls. Standard value bet.

River A, pot $480
I check, V bets $400, I call. He says he has a three, I show and he mucks.

OK, so on the river. Let's consider all possible ways I could be beat.

1. What spades can he have here? Preflop/flop action I think is the most significant to answer this question- on the flop if he has 2 spades it's either exactly QsJs or KsQs. Exactly 2 combos is negligible- discounting QQ, he has 6 combos of sets which are super rare, so he has 2 spades only 1/3 as often as he has a set- in other words, basically never. I don't think this guy is calling with 7s6s on the flop, or QsTs preflop but even then, two more exact combos is negligible. Finally, you can even discount those two combos because he would likely raise on the turn with them.

2. Did he already have me beat on the turn? ? Well, considering he calls the flop, that would be exactly 77, 44, and *maybe* AQ but I think he 3-bets me preflop with that. Again, not only is there an extremely small number of combos, it's very likely he raises these hands on either the flop or turn. So I assume when he flats my turn bet on a board with two possible flush draws and possible straight draws, I have the best hand nearly 100% of the time (note that very good regs you have history with will mix it up, but that's something completely different than the scope of this post).

3. Did he bink an Ace on the river? What hands can he have that did that? Only Ax of clubs. Again, looking at a preflop range, AcJc and AcTc are definitely there, and the others some percent of the time. Even if we add every single Acxc combo 100% there's only about 10 (discounting AcKc and the blocked ones). The most important factor here though is his betsizing. It's insanely large, and it really doesn't look like he's going for thin value with just top pair- he's repping spades.

OK so, given the above, this is a very easy river call given that he's a very straightforward/predictable recreational player who has shown that he is capable of bluffing.

Cheers.

So i finally checked out Hustler casino, now I can finally say I've been to every major LA casino! Biggest game they spread was $300-$1000 5-5 blinds, I played for about 20 minutes and lost $379. I tried a 3-bet bluff vs. a guy who I recognized from somewhere but I couldn't remember where... then I remembered he was one of the LATB crew guys. So yea, he's seen me 3-bet bluff a million times. LOL OOPS.

Brag though: only played 30 minutes because I was with a girl who I met just last week but I really like her so far. We're official! Really happy right now

Hilariously, I went over to Commerce afterwards, sat in the 10/20 with the min-buy while the other 4 players are like $5k deep, literally played two hands and was up $1220.

Hand 1: I post behind the BTN 5 handed (probably shouldn't be doing this at 10/20), UTG straddles to $40, I call blind, BTN calls, SB makes it $220, BB calls, I jam $600, BTN folds, SB makes it $1020, BB makes it $4220, SB folds. Board runs out KQT74 with hearts and I think I'm toast but my Q5o took it down LOL. BB claims to have A9 which seems reasonable.

Hand 2: 3 handed, BTN opens, SB folds, I fold T8o (nitty I know). BTN refuses to post the BB... got Grimm'd IRL wtf.

Overall, played less than 1 hour, and was up $841.

LA total: $29233, 218 hours.

Again, his call wasnt good. I wouldnt make that call very often without a reason but it wasnt horrible to me. He must have had a reason to play the hand this way. The hard part about plo is figuring out why people make the plays they do.

-he just has so much money that he doesnt care
-he was going to bluff the turn and rep spades
-he doesnt know how to play
-he is leveling you when he has a short stack for future hands when he is deep
-he just likes to gamble
-he knew that he could turn a lot of outs and shove
-he thought you were on spades


I dont know the answer but it has to be one of those.

Phone update. Played 20/40 @ commerce, ridiculously soft table WTF. Only 1 other good player as far as i could tell, some average regs and two whales. I tried a $1700 river raise bluff on 842J8 vs the good player and he called with TT. Sigh I'm ******ed.

Was up $615 total in 3 hours. I left after that play because I knew I wasn't playing well, didn't get enough sleep last night, etc.

I was also annoyed that some old guy didn't pay me off when I x/c flop and x/r turn for not much more when I had a straight on 9763.

I don't doubt 1 bit that it was a very soft table. 1 thing I noticed is that in LA whenever the big games run it is due to a couple people. Also a lot of the 10/20 regs aren't willing to play those bigger games because it runs so sporadically. However while in Vegas those games get filled up with all these Ultra pros right away because this is what they wait for.

What did you think of the Hustler while you were there? Would you go back?

Would you play 20/40 more regularly if it went more often or is it still to big for you to play as your regular game?

Congrats on the IRL brag too!

Re harborlaw: well I think the secret to Commerce is to play early in the morning. As far as I can tell from 2+2 and just personal experience, there are VERY few pros that like to play at 10 AM. Also the main reason this is key for Commerce is it's so fk'ing hard to get a seat.

Re Turntup: If I was forced to play that 20/40 lineup every day for the next 30 days or I was broke whichever came first, I would insta-take that offer. As I posted before, I don't need to play within my bankroll because my living expenses are low and covered by my job.

also tyty. we went ice skating then to dave and busters tonight haha.

played 1 hour @ Bike tonight, dropped $700 on PLO in a 4-way AIPF with 8764ss, not sure if this is terribly -EV or what... I think the other guys had AKT9, AA55, and last guy mucked but he had a pair. Oh well.

LA total: $29148, 222 hours.